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2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« on: July 18, 2007, 12:47:51 pm »
Most of you saw the demo in spore when Will Wright Dropped a monolith on a group of Native animals. The animals Circled the monolith until one decided to touch it then the animals instantly formed into a tribe.
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com/kruse_kronicle/images/2007/03/29/monolith.gif
Look familier?
Anyway I never read the book and i saw the movie only a few years ago and id like to know how intelligence is related to a monolith. I am aware that the group of Cavemen discovered how to use tool entering the age of Homo Habalis. Meaning "Human Habalis"(in the movie) Except i dont think the Homo Habalis's touched the Monolith. And how many times can you use a monolith? If you dropped a monolith on a already intelegent species then what happens? I also remember a part in the movie when a group of armed men examine an excavation site and find the same monolith in the beginning of a movie. then all of a sudden theres this screeching noise. Can somebody fill in the blanks? im not much of a monilith expert.


-This second one is Matt Groening's theory of Homer Evolution.
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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 12:51:16 pm »
Arent there writings and stuff, that makes the creature smarter, you know, like giving a man a matchbox, and as time progresses he manages to make fire, only this is in highspeed!!!1

but thats just what I think.

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 12:52:17 pm »
I've seen 2001: A Space Odyssey, and remember it. I can tell you two things:

1.) You should not bother watching 2001 again. It's crap.

2.) They did touch it, but it was more the sense of wonder at it that inspired the discovery of tools.
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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2007, 12:53:10 pm »
Giving a man matchbox doesnt make him smarter. The cavemen just were smart enough to learn how to use tools. Hense "Homo Habalis
Homo=Human
Habalis=Handy or Tool

and im more then sure that the same thing happened in real life, minus the monolith in fact i know it did from archaeological evidence

This was more of a "help me out" thread, its not goanan go anywhere. If someone wants me to delete i would happily delete it
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 12:57:16 pm by MrCrowley »
-This second one is Matt Groening's theory of Homer Evolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEyt8qqaWD8&mode=related&search=

-This first one is Matt Groening Version of the powers of 10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCfDRvDWid0

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 01:48:28 pm »
1.) You should not bother watching 2001 again. It's crap.

No! You should watch 2001 again, it's beautiful work of hard sci fi.

What struck me about the Monolith in that recent demo, was the circular hole in it... it made it look like an iPod or something!


That was probably due to copyright something.

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 01:54:38 pm »
1.) You should not bother watching 2001 again. It's crap.

No! You should watch 2001 again, it's beautiful work of hard sci fi.

Or better still, read the book!
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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2007, 02:01:12 pm »
1.) You should not bother watching 2001 again. It's crap.

No! You should watch 2001 again, it's beautiful work of hard sci fi.

So, what was the point of the 10-minute psychedelic sequence before he went into the room that made him age really fast?

I've never gotten why people have such an obsession with 2001 as a good movie.
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tl;dr. But with all those shiny symbols and numbers it's probably awsome.

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 02:36:22 pm »
So, what was the point of the 10-minute psychedelic sequence before he went into the room that made him age really fast?

It was a phase transition!  Be the UFO, Dave!  And he didn't age really fast, Dave experienced the totality of his existence in that moment... transcending time.  It was all very symbolic and heady... would you have preferred him declaring "you are either with me or against me" and then trying to kill the Padme 9000?  ;)

that made me smile.

but in all seriousness star wars was supposed to be a childrens movie.  All the 40 year olds that saw the original trilogy when they were nine are the ones who are pissed off.

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2007, 02:41:07 pm »
There's already a thread on monoliths. Actually, I bumped it a while back regarding 2001: a space oddysey.

In other words- Use search. And it's only on the second page.

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2007, 02:45:45 pm »
1.) You should not bother watching 2001 again. It's crap.

No! You should watch 2001 again, it's beautiful work of hard sci fi.

So, what was the point of the 10-minute psychedelic sequence before he went into the room that made him age really fast?

I've never gotten why people have such an obsession with 2001 as a good movie.

An ingredient label on the side of a can of soup makes sense - would you call that good art? 2001 is a GREAT movie - and pretty much anyone with a valid opinion on cinema would agree. It is in fact widely regarded as a masterpiece. I think the book pales in comparision - Clarke was a brilliant man - but Kubrick was one of the greatest artists of the twentieth century. 2001 is - to me - one of the few perfect films.

And yes - as another poster indicated - the creatures DO touch the monolith before developing tool-use level intelliigence.
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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2007, 03:07:07 pm »
1.) You should not bother watching 2001 again. It's crap.

No! You should watch 2001 again, it's beautiful work of hard sci fi.

So, what was the point of the 10-minute psychedelic sequence before he went into the room that made him age really fast?

I've never gotten why people have such an obsession with 2001 as a good movie.

An ingredient label on the side of a can of soup makes sense - would you call that good art? 2001 is a GREAT movie - and pretty much anyone with a valid opinion on cinema would agree. It is in fact widely regarded as a masterpiece. I think the book pales in comparision - Clarke was a brilliant man - but Kubrick was one of the greatest artists of the twentieth century. 2001 is - to me - one of the few perfect films.

And yes - as another poster indicated - the creatures DO touch the monolith before developing tool-use level intelliigence.


That was me!

And anyway, just because I didn't like 2001 doesn't make my opinion on cinema invalid. It just means I don't like long musical interludes, and conveying in 10 minutes what could have been conveyed in 30 seconds. The ancient human discovering tools scene was awesome though.
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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2007, 03:15:59 pm »
Besides the iPod, aren't there any cultural references to a monolith with a hole on it? I just don't know.

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2007, 03:26:31 pm »
Hmm, that would be cool, if the monolith always disappears afterwards. Otherwise I'd rather not have planets covered in phalli.
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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2007, 03:29:33 pm »
The monolith seems to disappear once it's touched.

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Re: 2001: A Space oddity, Monolith in spore
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2007, 03:30:59 pm »
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My Monolith.  8)