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Offline Daxx

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2007, 05:21:47 pm »
But Froman said we should get all the Religions together for a debate.
Atheism is not a religion.

Heh, you'd have to have a few different atheists representing other philosophies. And whilst it isn't technically a religion, you'd be surprised how many people treat it in virtually the same fashion.

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2007, 05:30:23 pm »
That's a lie Daxx, atheism is not, and never will, resemble a religion. Ever. At all. And that is absolutely, unquestionably true. If you don't stop spouting such obvious lies, I will get together my atheist crew, and we'll burn you at the stake for your heresy!


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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2007, 02:13:56 am »
Daxx, what sort of philosophies would the athiests sport? I doubt the agnostics would debate because most of their answers would be "Well maybe that's true, but ya never know..."

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2007, 03:22:54 am »
Daxx, what sort of philosophies would the athiests sport? I doubt the agnostics would debate because most of their answers would be "Well maybe that's true, but ya never know..."

Well, describe your own.

Atheism isn't a single thing. It just describes someone who isn't a theist.

Buddhists are atheists. I think Scientologists are, too (I could be wrong). There are other examples.

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2007, 03:47:29 am »
Well my philosophy is in conflict right now; I've become less religious as I've gotten older and learned things for myself. I suspect I'll become someone who's more interested in why humans need religion than in having one myself, becoming very religious as I grow old as a precautionary measure.  :P

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2007, 03:51:17 am »
It would be best not to become very religious or go either way, so that is one religion does happen to be right, then maybe you'll be spared because you did not take sides. That's the way I'm doing it. Ain't nothing right until I see it.
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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2007, 03:54:14 am »
Hmm, good point. I shall research which religions are most leneant on members of others in the afterlife, and join the strictist.

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2007, 04:04:21 am »
Boy, I sure opened a can of worms...

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2007, 04:20:10 am »
Hmm, good point. I shall research which religions are most leneant on members of others in the afterlife, and join the strictist.

I really don't think you're supposed to pick and choose religions like that.
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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2007, 04:36:35 am »
I never really meant that. I meant to not pick a religion and stay neutral.
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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2007, 06:00:00 am »
Hmm, good point. I shall research which religions are most leneant on members of others in the afterlife, and join the strictist.

I really don't think you're supposed to pick and choose religions like that.

Pascal (famous mathematician, physicist, and philosopher from 1600s) thought choosing religions based on afterlife wasn't such a bad idea.

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2007, 06:12:43 am »
Pascal's wager is a massive crock of something steaming. Here's why:

1. Even if it did offer infinite advantages to believe in god, the best an atheist could realistically do is pretend to believe. You can't just force yourself to believe in something.

2. Pascal's wager assumes that there is only one god that could potentially be the real one. What if the real God is actually Osiris? Osiris may not mind if people don't believe in him specifically, and could still reward atheists in the afterlife if they've been good people. However, what might really rub up Osiris the wrong way is if people believe in a deity other than him. Such people would be sent to hell for ever and ever. If Osiris is the one true god, then following Pascal's wager results in eternal damnation and it would be much better to be an atheist or a follower of Osiris.
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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2007, 07:45:42 am »
Oh I agree that Pascal's wager is logically incorrect for numerous reasons, it is still fascinating to think about. Taking a completely non biased / non emotional approach to religion is very thing hard to do for anybody, even for atheists.
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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2007, 08:18:48 am »
Um yeah, so, Freemasons...

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Re: So....I saw a Freemanson Temple the other day...
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2007, 04:31:54 pm »
Are secret.