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artistic skill
« on: May 08, 2007, 03:36:07 am »
ok so now i will be the first to admit i can't draw but however i want to show off these images in my head any ideas and don't say pratic it requires real effort for me to hold pen or anything of that sort physically speakin so i am looking for a new meduim


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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 06:41:56 am »
Hmm, a pencil?

I'm not great with drawing too, though I still try. You don't need tallent, you can learn everything (except things all humans can't) if you just go for it and train everyday. If its hard it may require years, but eventually you can do it.


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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2007, 09:18:00 am »
Don't try writing. For the sake of us all, don't try writing.
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2007, 09:19:19 am »
Images in your head? Perhaps a psychiatrist?
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2007, 10:13:56 am »
1. Take a chainsaw
2. Cut the tip of your skull (be sure you don't cut too far down, because that wouldn't be very advantageous)
3. Take the images out of your head
4. Put the remainings of the part you cut off back on your head. If you lost it, ask someone else for their skull as a replacement)
5. Take some nails, a hammer and fix it.
Done
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 11:22:55 am »
ok so now i will be the first to admit i can't draw but however i want to show off these images in my head any ideas and don't say pratic it requires real effort for me to hold pen or anything of that sort physically speakin so i am looking for a new meduim

I cant draw ether. But you need to find something you like and are good at. Maybe clay or 3D modeling programs?. I may be shot for saying this but i heard  if you can imagine it you can make it in secondlife. But i heard that takes practice too.

If you actually enjoy drawing then just practice if not i suggest trying one of the above or something different. If all else fails describeing things can work or even story writing.

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2007, 11:23:38 am »
1. Take a chainsaw
2. Cut the tip of your skull (be sure you don't cut too far down, because that wouldn't be very advantageous)
3. Take the images out of your head
4. Put the remainings of the part you cut off back on your head. If you lost it, ask someone else for their skull as a replacement)
5. Take some nails, a hammer and fix it.
Done

I think you could do with a psychiatrist as well
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2007, 07:52:40 pm »
I can't draw either. I can't draw a circle that isn't lopsided. Or a straight line....

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2007, 07:57:12 pm »
I can't draw either. I can't draw a circle that isn't lopsided. Or a straight line....

That's what compasses and straight-edges are for.

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2007, 11:38:23 pm »
I can't draw either. I can't draw a circle that isn't lopsided. Or a straight line....

I'm fairly sure no-one in the history of the Earth could possibly draw a perfect circle or line that is totally straight.

People who can't draw well can still make art, what do you think abstract is? ;)

Seriously, though, just practice and practice and practice and you'll get there. An when you do you'll wonder why you bothered and didn't get a job.

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2007, 07:47:04 am »
ok so now i will be the first to admit i can't draw

I think you posted on the wrong forum, dude.

Anyway, you can say all you want about not wanting to practice, but it's not like one day you're just going to be good without practicing. Unless you steal/copy, of course. That's a form of practice too, I guess?

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2007, 06:28:13 pm »
I can draw if I really try (and I can see what I am drawing, and its not human or moving...), but personally I'm much better with drawing on the computer (photoshop cs3 is great)


As for a new medium I would suggest trying something on a computer, download blender if u want something 3d (its free) or try photoshop or corel painter.

If your looking for something off of the computer you could always try clay sculptures or painting.... Whatever you end up doing make sure u either check out a book, or look up some good tutorials/tips on creating art with whatever you choose. Its hard to get better if u don't know where to start or what technics to use...
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2007, 02:53:43 pm »
FOr some of my pics I ask someone else to shade them for me.  Is that wrong?
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2007, 03:45:27 pm »
Although it was designed for more architectural or engineering purposes, Sketchup 6 is a great, intuitive 3d modeling program.

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2007, 04:01:27 pm »
Try pencil, Thats what I use, Its very easy for a beginer and has good results for a pro
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2007, 05:44:17 pm »
Although it was designed for more architectural or engineering purposes, Sketchup 6 is a great, intuitive 3d modeling program.

I've seen some pretty amazing stuff from that program, for example pages 8 and 9 of this thread:
http://www.fl-tw.com/InfinityForums/viewtopic.php?t=2489&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=175

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2007, 06:46:17 pm »
I can't draw either. I can't draw a circle that isn't lopsided. Or a straight line....

That's what compasses and straight-edges are for.

i have tried that i all way twitch and  move the edge
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2007, 06:47:15 pm »
i can't draw but i had the writers hand

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2007, 09:04:00 pm »
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2007, 03:38:23 pm »
On your drawing:
Whenever I start drawing I have my eraser at hand, because you (anyone) can't draw what you want right away. You need to 'experiment' with your lines. Start with the easiest part of the things you want to draw.

Don't press too much, actually you just want to tickle the paper with your pen. Most lines in my drawings are formed by about 4 thin lines or more (varies, depends on how experienced you are with a certain object). With this technique it doesn't matter if you can draw a perfectly straight line or round cirlce on the first go (I can't either), it's actually better if you don't because you'd just narrow yourself in your creativity if you constantly worried about how this line went too curvy or that rectangle has not perfect 90 angles or whatnot. You just try until you deem the average line you've drawn fits, then leave it at that and go on somewhere else on the drawing.
But how do you see if it fits? Well, after you've drawn your first thin line, you'll probably say, 'That oval is not wide enough' or 'This line needs to be more curved at the end'. Then you keep drawing thin lines until you can see how it fits better and better (this part can be difficult and I think this is the point that actually determines wheter you are good at drawing or not)

Draw all the lines, also the ones you won't see in the final picture, because they can help you a lot later in the drawing process.

If you want to draw animals, simplify the shape of the body to basic geometric shapes, like circles, straight lines, rectangles etc.

I guess I could give you even more advice, but I'll leave it at this. Hope I'm any help at all.
(Maybe I'll do one myself and scan it, so you can see what I mean)
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 03:41:02 pm by GrapeFruit »
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2007, 05:07:11 pm »
Ok, I grabed my cat and made a quick drawing to show you what I was trying to say before:
(My apologies for the bad quality, not the best scanner)

Step 1 (~5mins)
First of all I sketched the outlines of the overall shape, (i started with the circle that will be the head). Then I made soft inner outlines of the legs and up to the root of the tail. I also added a mask for the facial features. The ears are pretty easy (for me) so I did them already.

Note: No details at the beginning, keep it simple, keep it 'ugly'

Step 2 (~6mins)
Added first sketch of facial features, corrected and solidified outlines, added a few details. Look at the hindleg (if it's possible to tell where it is ::) ). It's very shaky, it has no definite outlines, you can still see that I first drew it far too short (twice). I was more or less satisfied with the third iteration.
At this point the face creeped me out, because it didn't look anywhere near good, so I erased it softly, so I could still see where my former lines were. With that shimmer of a line I redid it and I was still creeped, because it still doesn't look as good as I wanted it, but I left it at that.

Note: You need to tweak your details. Never assume you get it right at the first try. Redo lines over and over until you are satisfied (erase if they get too bold). It's hard to keep going, because it just doesn't look like you want it to be. But hang in there, it will get better.

Step 3 (~14mins)
Added first fur, Whiskers and eyes.
It's pretty challenging to draw fur in greyscale... ::), specially if the hairs have different lenghts. After I added the actual eyes, the face looked much better. You may notice that some lines in the face have gone less bold, that's because I had to erase it again. (I think faces and eyes specially are one of the most difficult things to draw realistically). I also bolded some details.

Note: Details are the flesh on the bone of your sketch. But beware: don't overdo it, because it might look weird.

The "final" version (~5mins)
I added some shading (hard to see on the scans) and more fur, replaced outlines to look furish

I wanted to finish the drawing at this point, because most things I wanted to point out were allready included and because it's almost 2 am.

I'm more or less satisfied with the outcome of my 30 minute drawing (considering the difficulty of the object). There are some things I don't like about the drawing which I'd change if I continued this piece.

I hope it helped.
I don't think anybody just can't draw by default (except they have no hands, feet...mouth?....a******  :-X), it's just the lack of technique and patience that makes it so hard.

Disclaimer: I don't say my technique is entirely flawless. It probably doesn't fit other people and it should not be taken as the ultimate truth. It's just the way I think it's easy to get something decent without despairing.
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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2007, 01:08:14 am »
That's a good method for people who want to learn, but nowadays I tend to do a basic skeleton (if it's a figure) then add basic muscle shapes, and add details at random. I remember doing a roman guy who was barely a sketch, but had an extremely detailed (for me, anyway) sash.

I really ought to post some of my work sometime.

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2007, 03:26:21 pm »
@ grapefruit, nice example, that was very helpful.  :)

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2007, 03:35:58 pm »
Yeah, if I were to make a drawing guide it'd be like that except not as good. Bravo.

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Re: artistic skill
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2007, 02:25:14 pm »
I know this is nothing like a good guide but ever since I was ten I've been able to draw what I see very well. In fact, I found it difficult to understand how you couldn't. It was just like copying a picture, after all. People told me this was abnormal (yay!). That's why I'm literally about ten times better at still lives then other drawings.

So, when you are drawing something imagine you're tracing it. Don't be annoyed if one of your lines is at a wrong angle, just tweak the drawing to watch that angle, in fact, most of my drawings are at a slightly different perspective to how I see them. You can never how too many little details, but try not and have the all on top of each other. The bigger, the better. And remember, nothing natural will ever have perfectly straight, or even curved lines.
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