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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 12:51:11 pm »
So, 28 Months Later next, then 28 Years Later?
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2007, 12:52:11 pm »
Oh man, that looks good. I really liked 28 days later, and it was definitely one of those "I'd really like to know more about what happens" cases. I can't wait for this one.

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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2007, 01:15:16 pm »
One thing that has always bothered me with zombie movies is the fact that the military seems utterly useless. This despite the fact that countries like the US have troops ready at all times. Tanks and planes/helicopters would absolutely decimate a zombie attack and yet the most of the population is always overtaken anyway. However I can see past this if they provided a reason, or it was never mentioned so it wouldn't stand out. 28 Days Later had this though again I could live with it even though the soldiers that were in that movie showed just how good they were at killing zombies. I didn't like 28 Days Later that much but I thought it was ok.

But now... that trailer showed just how easy it would be to kill of a zombie invasion. Evacuate the populars as good as you can and set the cities aflame like shown in the trailer or just send in tanks to slow the zombies advance while kill teams consisting of gunships or heavily armored ground troops with APC's would take out zombies and rescue the survivors before bombing the city.

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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 03:15:43 pm »
One thing that has always bothered me with zombie movies is the fact that the military seems utterly useless. This despite the fact that countries like the US have troops ready at all times. Tanks and planes/helicopters would absolutely decimate a zombie attack and yet the most of the population is always overtaken anyway. However I can see past this if they provided a reason, or it was never mentioned so it wouldn't stand out. 28 Days Later had this though again I could live with it even though the soldiers that were in that movie showed just how good they were at killing zombies. I didn't like 28 Days Later that much but I thought it was ok.

this is another reason, i've realized, that shaun of the dead was so great. the army just shows up in the end, kicks some zombie ass, and saves the day.  :)
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 03:46:33 pm »
I didn't end up liking 28 days later. I don't remember what it was about it, but it didn't work for me. Somehow I have the feeling I won't like this either. The kid already annoys me, and that was just a trailer.  If it follows in the footsteps of the first movie, almost no one will survive. I have the annoying idea the kid will live through it and he and someone else will be all that's left. They'll already going to flatten London, all in all it doesn't look intersting to me. The only thing I would actually like to see is the idea behind rebuilding London, before they lose control.. again.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2007, 12:16:06 am »
AH NO! too many interesting movies at the same time in the cinema! i cant see them all?! :o
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2007, 01:04:22 am »
28 Years Later?

I already got the screenplay for that. The infected have taken the UK -- again. We develop an airborn virus the eats human flesh and release it over britain. We forget to account for wind and the entire human race is wiped out. The movie is made up of two hours of shots of empty cities.

Seriously today they are alarmist enough to blow up Aqua Teen Hunger Force ads, somehow I think they would be a bit more serious over something like you see in 28 days later.  Frankly I think movies like 28 days later shouldn't have a sequal just because the type of movie it is. (and that's not according to my opinion).

 28 days later was ,for a lack of better word, realistic (although I thought it went way downhill after they left London). Watching people hang from helicopters just makes it look like another action movie. 
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2007, 07:44:43 am »
One thing that has always bothered me with zombie movies is the fact that the military seems utterly useless. This despite the fact that countries like the US have troops ready at all times. Tanks and planes/helicopters would absolutely decimate a zombie attack and yet the most of the population is always overtaken anyway. However I can see past this if they provided a reason, or it was never mentioned so it wouldn't stand out. 28 Days Later had this though again I could live with it even though the soldiers that were in that movie showed just how good they were at killing zombies. I didn't like 28 Days Later that much but I thought it was ok.

this is another reason, i've realized, that shaun of the dead was so great. the army just shows up in the end, kicks some zombie ass, and saves the day.  :)

Yeah it is some what... sad that a parody of an entire genre is actually more realistic then the genre itself.

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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2007, 01:02:10 am »
Yea, I never really bought into that either, they're not even zombies, they're infected humans. Shoot them in the leg and they bleed out. You'd think the military would wipe the streets with them.



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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2007, 11:46:13 am »
The main characters lack of fear kinda killed the first one for me. (the grocer store was is a good example)
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2007, 02:15:35 pm »
Loved the first! And the trailer for the second was highly impressive.

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2007, 04:53:06 pm »
The main characters lack of fear kinda killed the first one for me. (the grocer store was is a good example)

I actually agree with that. There were a couple times where I was just like "What the hell are you even doing?" But it wasn't enough to kill it for me.

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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 05:22:04 pm »
One thing that has always bothered me with zombie movies is the fact that the military seems utterly useless. This despite the fact that countries like the US have troops ready at all times. Tanks and planes/helicopters would absolutely decimate a zombie attack and yet the most of the population is always overtaken anyway. However I can see past this if they provided a reason, or it was never mentioned so it wouldn't stand out. 28 Days Later had this though again I could live with it even though the soldiers that were in that movie showed just how good they were at killing zombies. I didn't like 28 Days Later that much but I thought it was ok.

But now... that trailer showed just how easy it would be to kill of a zombie invasion. Evacuate the populars as good as you can and set the cities aflame like shown in the trailer or just send in tanks to slow the zombies advance while kill teams consisting of gunships or heavily armored ground troops with APC's would take out zombies and rescue the survivors before bombing the city.

I used to think this too before I read World War Z and started actually thinking about it. The author has a point when he says that most modern weaponry is designed to terrorize our enemies rather than outright kill them. Look no further than the "Shock and Awe" campaign against Iraq for evidence of how effective such tactics can be. But zombies can't be scared, and they have no concept of fear or self-preservation in most movies and books. Not only that, but the fact that most armed forces are totally unprepared for an attack from within that adopts such a strange form.

Weapons in our day and age are shifting from a doctrine of accuracy and precision to a doctrine of throwing enough deadly stuff at the enemy to make sure at least some of it hits them. Now, in normal warfare, that works. We have well-trained troops and well-armored vehicles to boot. They can all work in tandem to create a well-oiled fighting machine that is devastatingly effective when commanded by a good tactician. But all of this hinges on the assumption that the enemy will be working with the same or similar rules. The undead are a totally different type of foe. They have no leaders, no ranks or chain of command, no need to stop, to eat, to drink, to sleep, or the retreat. They know no mercy, take no prisoners, and feel no fear. They simply shamble onwards, eating or overruning anything in their path. The best analogy would be army ants, and even the largest jungle predators, humans included, fear a march of army ants.

And you can't just burn down the cities. A military commander might see the logic in doing it, but the military is run by self-serving politicians. And no politician would ever allow a city to be razed to the ground, even if it made perfect sense. After all, nobody would ever vote for them again if they were in favor of such extreme, though efficient methods. Plus, in a war of attrition, the zombies do have a certain advantage. Every dead soldier is one more for their side, and one less for ours. Not only that, but every dead human period is one more for their side. In a simple battle of numbers, we'd be overrun within a few years.

Note, I'm not disagreeing with you. Your tactics should work in the given situation, it's just that the chance of them actually being used would be very small. By the time anyone saw the sensible route of action you described, we'd be up to our eyeballs in zombies.

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P.S. - I saw 28 Days Later and I liked it. Not exactly a zombie movie, but it was good nonetheless! And given the trailers for this one, I'll be seeing 28 Weeks Later as well!
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2007, 04:48:45 pm »


I used to think this too before I read World War Z and started actually thinking about it. The author has a point when he says that most modern weaponry is designed to terrorize our enemies rather than outright kill them. Look no further than the "Shock and Awe" campaign against Iraq for evidence of how effective such tactics can be. But zombies can't be scared, and they have no concept of fear or self-preservation in most movies and books. Not only that, but the fact that most armed forces are totally unprepared for an attack from within that adopts such a strange form.

Still though. You gotta imagine that hundreds if not thousands of cases of sudden and unexplained cannibalism would get every armed forced in the world to mobilize their forces. The police and hospitals would be the first to notice and the police in most cities would be able to take down a lot of the undead since they wouldn't have to worry about civilians getting in the way, as most people stuck inside the horde would already be infected. The military would just have to close of the cities and stop everyt thing from getting out. All the same in countries like the US where there are enough guns to armed the entire populars twice over couldn't it be possible that a lot of people would take down some zombies too?


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Yes but throwing more stuff against them would actually be a rather good tactic. Zombies group and in most cases they aren't fast or smart enough to evade an air strike or a missile. All the same a armed force could easily outrun an attack from a zombie horde as they have the extra mobility from APC's and choppers. Zombies aren't very fast and wouldn't be a match for a force that would constantly changing positions, killing more and more zombies every time they more. All the same zombies follow patterns, they will go where there is fresh meat but as a good tactician would undoubtedly notice they would spread when faced with several different targets. As long as the fire teams would be able to have a secure route out of the city/town, they could kill hundreds if not thousands of zombies everyday.


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Indeed politics might interfere with that. Though one can imagine that material law has been put into effect once so much of the populars has been killed.

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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2007, 05:15:12 pm »
The real problem with zombies is containment. It's almost impossible to do it effectively. You're essentially trying to contain a disease where the infected actively seek out the non-infected. Combine that with the fact that by the time you start seeing symptoms of an outbreak, you have no idea how far it's spread already - this is further compounded by the fact that the contagion doesn't just spread adjacently in geographic terms, because transport networks can spread the disease across countries in a matter of a day or so in the worse case.

Everything relies on how quickly the infection is identified and dealt with.

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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2007, 10:56:05 pm »


Still though. You gotta imagine that hundreds if not thousands of cases of sudden and unexplained cannibalism would get every armed forced in the world to mobilize their forces. The police and hospitals would be the first to notice and the police in most cities would be able to take down a lot of the undead since they wouldn't have to worry about civilians getting in the way, as most people stuck inside the horde would already be infected. The military would just have to close of the cities and stop everyt thing from getting out. All the same in countries like the US where there are enough guns to armed the entire populars twice over couldn't it be possible that a lot of people would take down some zombies too?

Well, first we've got to determine what's causing corpses to reanimate. A) Disease, which is pretty much absurd B) Parasites/Chemicals, see A C) Supernatural causes. Now, if for some reason it's A or B, we have a fighting chance, since the disease could, in theory, be readily stopped by simply gunning down those already infected. If it's C though, the problem suddenly becomes much, much worse. Think of how many dead bodies there are in the world at this very moment that still have a mostly intact brain. Now, if the corpses from every hospital, morgue, funeral home, disaster area, battlefield, and various other locations suddenly all got up at the same time and began to attack, I think there'd be crazy amounts of chaos and confusion. I mean, the living would probably cause more deaths than the undead, and then those killed would get back up and join the zombies. Police forces, our first line of defense, would be totally useless in scoring a single, precise shot to the head needed to destroy the undead with inferior weapons and no real armor to speak of. Here in America, with our forces spread across the map, it would take weeks to bring our troops home, not even to mention their equipment. The majority of our tanks are overseas, and a Galaxy helicopter can carry them, one at a time to a waiting ship, which then still has to cross the Atlantic to get them here. Not that they'd be much help anyways...

Yes but throwing more stuff against them would actually be a rather good tactic. Zombies group and in most cases they aren't fast or smart enough to evade an air strike or a missile. All the same a armed force could easily outrun an attack from a zombie horde as they have the extra mobility from APC's and choppers. Zombies aren't very fast and wouldn't be a match for a force that would constantly changing positions, killing more and more zombies every time they more. All the same zombies follow patterns, they will go where there is fresh meat but as a good tactician would undoubtedly notice they would spread when faced with several different targets. As long as the fire teams would be able to have a secure route out of the city/town, they could kill hundreds if not thousands of zombies everyday.

On the contrary, throwing the undead into a meat grinder is only working against us. Conventional weaponry, which usually explodes or throw out shrapnel or otherwise is designed to shred the human body in various horrifying ways, is only mildly threatening at best to the undead. After all, when you're aiming for a single hit to the brain, and you shred the arms and legs to swiss cheese, the zombie may fall, but it (un)lives on, and could infect a careless soldier or civilian who steps too close. Not only that, the tight clustering of zombies actually dampens the effect outside of the initial blast radius, with the undead acting a unwitting meatshields for their fellows, thus preserving the deadly nature of the horde. Tanks, APCs, and helicopters are also useless, as their weapons all follow the same principle of blowing things up or spitting out mass quantities of barely-aimed lead. Sure, a tank could plow into a horde of the undead and not be scratched, but eventually it will bog down in a literal goo of zombies, run out of gasoline (Of which no more will be made during the war), or discover that it's weapons are ineffective. Basically, the only really good weapon against the undead is a well-trained soldier with an accurate weapon and an order to shoot for the head. Nothing fancier is needed.


Indeed politics might interfere with that. Though one can imagine that material law has been put into effect once so much of the populars has been killed.

Perhaps, but by the time martial law was declared, it would probably be too late. Too many deaths means too many undead.

My scearino does rely hvealy on the fact that some troops would have some survived and have secured proper transportation. If not, then my plan is really worthless.

In reality, there would probably be lots of soldiers but nobody to lead them, at least here in America. The places that would survive best would be those that are ruled by less than savory people, usually by brute force and terror. After all, there are worse fates than being devoured alive I suppose...
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2007, 07:28:22 am »
Perhaps you guys should all make a Zombie fighting tactics thread, becaused this thread is about a movie.
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2007, 02:58:54 pm »
Perhaps you guys should all make a Zombie fighting tactics thread, becaused this thread is about a movie.

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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2007, 04:44:53 pm »
Tal, you do realise that the 'zombies' so called, in 28 days aren't undead. Theyre just psycho infected humans.
If you shot them in the leg they'd still bleed to death, so automatic weapons would still be effective. I mean, starving them is the most effective way to get rid of them.
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 12:18:33 pm »
Tal, you do realise that the 'zombies' so called, in 28 days aren't undead. Theyre just psycho infected humans.
If you shot them in the leg they'd still bleed to death, so automatic weapons would still be effective. I mean, starving them is the most effective way to get rid of them.

Oh, yeah, I know that. It's one of the reasons why I don't consider 28 Days Later to be a real zombie movie. In the case of the Rage infected, survival would be pathetically easy. Just stay out of the way and wait for the military, which would actually triumph in this case, to show up.
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2007, 06:26:40 pm »
Don't worry about zombie outbreaks.  The Guardians have reality all under control.  Except for that time in 1796...
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Re: 28 Weeks Later
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2007, 02:51:09 am »
Just saw this a couple hours ago. Thought it was alright.
Nothing I'd personally recommend to my friends, but it was alright.

I must say I started laughing out loud when the helicopter shredded that crowd of infected.
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2007, 10:05:00 am »
I saw this a couple days ago, and I really liked it. It was probably one of my favorites this year. It seems like everyone has a different opinion on it, though.

Although I called the ending REALLY early. I even called the sequel, which is in production.