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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1395 on: October 25, 2009, 03:51:29 pm »
I hate it that the banning of a member is never announced. There will always be people wondering what happened to that member. A lot of the time only some of the forum members know that the person has been banned, while others are left out of the loop. This creates a lot of unnecessary speculation about whether they really were banned or not. A lot of confusion would be avoided if the bans could just be outright announced.

Frankly, I don't see what's so great about the whole "let's not talk about banned members" policy. By restricting what you can talk about and what not, you're simply restricting freedom of speech.

It's something Steve told us not to do. He is the boss, it's his forum and his rules. Talking about those who are banned only give them more attention after the fact and have created problems in the past. People love to talk about it and then the banned love to come back say they were wrongly accused and that the mods are unfair. This has created problems in the past. It's also a privacy of information type of thing. You have to trust that we are fair and no one is ever banned without a good reason and without plenty of prior warnings. If anything, we are too lenient.

One thing I've been wondering about. Why is this not stated in the forum rules?     

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I have read the whole thing, and I have not seen a word about not talking about banned members. If it is prohibited and may require mod action, then it sure as hell should be mentioned in the guidelines. I believe someone recently said that there are no "invisible, hidden rules" for the mds. Then what is this if not a hidden rule? How would, for example, a new member know about this without someone getting banned, people talking about it and a mod telling them to stop? Don't you think it would be a lot more effective if you could point to a certain guideline, something that theoretically everyone is supposed to know about, whenever you need the talking about a banned member to stop?

As it is now, it's unclear how definitive this rule is. Is it "You can talk about banned members for a bit, because people are curious and that's just natural. But please don't talk about them for too long." or "You can talk about them as long as you don't claim that the mods were being unfair or start worshipping the banned member as a hero."? Is it "Actually you shouldn't talk about it all, but we mods are so good that we let you." If you could clearly define it and put it in the forum guidelines, I think that would prevent a lot of confusion.

And if you don't think it's worth putting in the forum rules, then I would question whether it's worth being a rule at all.

Why do we have to talk about them?
Why does it have to be a written rule? It was something that Steve said to me, as a mod and I respect what he says because he owns this site.
What good is it going to do to keep talking about banned members and end up idolizing them and what they do?

The message all of this sends to me is that no one trusts the mods to take the correct action and that we are doing something unfair. If after four years I am not trusted enough to make the best decisions for this forum the maybe I shouldn't be here anymore. No one has cared more about this place then I have and you wouldn't believe the crap and abuse I get behind the scenes. If you feel that strongly about it, then please email Steve and request that this information be made public and talked about. He is the only one who can make that decision.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1396 on: October 25, 2009, 04:05:15 pm »
It's not that we don't trust you to make good decisions, it's that, for new people, it would just save a whole lot of headache to have it, in black and white, for all to see. In the Forum Guidelines.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1397 on: October 25, 2009, 06:17:11 pm »
Oh LadyM you know we love you!  :-*

Its not about trust, in fact I've never once questioned you...ever... but i do and have questioned Steve.

It is his site, and i greatly appreciate him keeping it running, but that does not make him infallible and it does not mean we can never question his rules even though we follow them.

I don't want you to feel like we don't trust you or anything because that's simply not the case, I am sorry if my opinions have hurt your feelings i truly didn't mean to and i sincerely doubt that anyone else meant to ether.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1398 on: October 25, 2009, 08:01:51 pm »
Wait what?

How does us wanting to talk about banned members = not trusting mods? What makes you think we'll idolize them? What, we all think Yannick is now teh shiz for posting porn? Not really... Was Malt so cool because he was an asshat? No; idolization of such people won't happen, and there is no evidence that it will at all if we discuss them. Regardless, we still want to have the ability to talk about it though, considering their stories are mildly interesting. Its interesting that Sagan basically went on quite a rant and got banned, or that Malt was a complete troll to all. We question why they were banned because we are never told why and don't know the official reason, not because we mistrust the mods and think they are banning people willy nilly. We don't have to talk about them, but why can't we? Why isn't it a written rule if it is to be followed? All sweeping banned members under the rug does is make us curious. If questions about them were answered we wouldn't wonder, if people were told why we would no longer care.

Personally I like to know the whole story of members such as Malt, Yannick, HW/TTT/WLoO/Grangan, Sagan, etc because its interesting and part of the forum history.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2009, 08:07:53 pm by eropS »
No, no, he did. In the everything else section, at least. Officially, this makes him king.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1399 on: October 25, 2009, 08:11:16 pm »
I trust you! I love the mods! I would want to be one if I thought I was ready for the responsibility... Or if I could do it. Why wouldn't we trust you? I've always considered you the main mod, basically the Steve when he isn't here. I trust you very much.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1400 on: October 25, 2009, 08:52:09 pm »
I'm sure for some people there is a brief trust issue when someone they knew quite well on the forum (or thought they knew quite well anyway) is suddenly not gonna be around anymore the next time they sign in.

As for everyone else, trust isn't an issue. We just want to know why. It's simple curiosity. It may look like gossip mongering (and it probably is for some), but I think it's a bit bigger than that. Is a part of the community falling apart for some reason? Let's see if we can do something about that.
The only time I'm aware of where there was a big problem with a banned member, like two years ago, was when one came into the chat and riled up some of the guys in there, causing huge distrust with Steve and the mod team (which back then was only LadyM and Oviraptor I believe). Ultimately, it resulted in the banning of another forum member, 'cause he did something stupid. Twice.
The whole thing was incredibly retarded and I'm sure those of us that were there would like to not see that happen again.

In these sorts of cases though, the more recent bannings, it's natural that we as a community would want to know what happened. We're not here 24/7, and whether you like it or not, a banning is kind of a big deal.
We come back, hear a bit of talk, a rumor or something, and we want to hear the scoop.


I've been here since '05 and I've seen lots of people come and go. There really haven't been that many bans.
If Joe Newbie got banned, I wouldn't ask why. But if like.. Brandonazz got banned, damn right I'm gonna want to know what happened.
Steve doesn't want us talking about it on the forum? Sure, whatever.
I'm sure I could find out what went on if I drop in on the chat or PM the right people. So really, the whole thing is just inane.

My gripe is when you've got a topic completely halted because suddenly everyone in it is talking about bans and asking questions about bans and investigating past banned members and giving condolences and causing unimportant arguments about mistrust/injustice -- you know, generally letting someone who was kicked out of the forum for being a drag continue to drag the place down a little while longer.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1401 on: October 25, 2009, 09:16:10 pm »
I think it's silly to give so much attention to someone who did something stupid. Yeah, he was around for a while but for most of that time he danced on the line anyway. You got tricked... it happens. At least this was only on an Internet forum. The mods aren't out to get you, they're just trying to look out for the greater good and they have to listen to the boss. Look, I've been poking my nose around in things for a long while now to try to get a better handle on how things go down around here. Whether you believe it or not, what few bannings we have are done for good reason. It hurts to see a friend get kicked out but you have bite that bullet. It's a necessary evil. If people can't follow the simple rules then they're going to be shown the door. The real world is far less forgiving than the Gaming Steve forum so don't think that people are getting the short end of the stick here. You'll get more chances here than anywhere else.

This last week was just a bad series of coincidences and nothing more. You want to know what happened? Here's what happened. This fact, not opinion.

Kenobro attempted to guess LadyM's password and she was sent an email notification telling her that. As it turns out, when the records were looked at, it appeared that Kenobro had tried to do the same thing with many accounts over a long period of time. LadyM did what she was supposed to do and informed her superior, Steve. It was Steve's opinion that what Kenobro did was inexcusable and so he was MAC banned. MAC banning prevents a specific computer from being used to log on. Unfortunately, this also meant that Kenotai would no longer be able to log on from that computer. Kenotai can still access the forum and is more than welcome; however, due to the problems his brother caused, he cannot do it from his usual computer.

Yannick posted a pornographic image on the forum which is a violation of the written rules. As such, he was banned immediately. This is a family friendly forum and people often visit from work. The images Yannick posted were enough to get anyone fired.

As far as Andrew Ryan is concerned, he left because he didn't enjoy his time here. He said that he felt it was all a waste and that he was leaving. Andrew Ryan was not banned.

If you guys want answers and if it will help things settle down, I know most of them and will tell you. So feel free to ask me. I'll tell you what happened and leave my own opinion out of it.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1402 on: October 25, 2009, 09:19:37 pm »
Thank you pat for clearing that up.  My gripe is the six hour marathon of Tim Burton movies on TV that caused me to miss most of the goings on tonight, both here and elsewhere on the net.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1403 on: October 25, 2009, 10:00:36 pm »
My gripe?... Same as it ever was.

Women, Life, and Ex-Boyfriends of said women. FML.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1404 on: October 25, 2009, 10:29:48 pm »
My gripe? A wall-o-text that is so tempting to read, but I have no time to do it. :P

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1405 on: October 25, 2009, 10:31:12 pm »
Basically it was "this is why they're banned, just ask me in the future, now shut up about it"

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1406 on: October 26, 2009, 07:42:20 am »
My post wasn't realy directed at you, LadyM, rather just mods in general or anyone else who's responsible. It's nothing personal and it's got nothing to do with trusting you or not. Personally I think you're a great mod. But even so, it's got nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Anyway, I'm too tired to argue this further, so I'll just post my gripes of the day.

I didn't sleep well and I should study for exams today, while being too tired to do anything that requires any amount of intelligence.

Yesterday 15 minutes after I had lunch, I got an unimaginable stomachache, and minutes later I was puking out of my ass. Fun. I could even see the salad I had for lunch. Now my stomach hurts whenever I eat a bit more than usually.

Also, my period should've started 4 days ago, so I don't feel too great about this.

Besides that, there also seems to be an unknown problem that keeps turning my computer off without a reason.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1407 on: October 26, 2009, 07:47:11 am »
I think you should go see a Doctor, GD, just to be safe.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1408 on: October 26, 2009, 08:38:09 am »
I can fix the computer problem and maybe the stomachache; otherwise, I don't deal with periods unless they're at the end of a sentence.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1409 on: October 26, 2009, 10:53:17 am »
It could be stress causing you to miss, or somthing else. Sometimes mother nature just likes to mess with our heads. A test can only be ten dollars and having piece of mind is priceless.
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