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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1830 on: May 20, 2010, 09:42:14 am »
My gripe is with Lush. Why are you such a ****ing retard, bro?

Seriously, stop tasing me.
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« Reply #1831 on: May 20, 2010, 09:50:21 am »
No, I actually agree with Lush on this one, at least with his later point.  Hitler gets a much worse wrap than he deserves, mostly because of the remaining effects of propaganda during the war.  Both Stalin and Mao were much, much worse, yet they arn't focused on because they were Allies.  Furthur more, it was more Himmler who was behind the death camps and whatnot, Hitler simply gave him the power to do it.


Now then, for my own gripe.  Natives need to stop whining so much.  "Oh they took our ancestrial land!"  Get over it.  We conquered you, and we've been a lot better to you than any other conquerors before us.  We give them free land, exeption from taxes, the right to open casinos, among other things, and they still complain to no end.  Furthur more, a lot of the old native groups were nomadic and didn't even have ancestrial land.  And now, we have groups up here who go around and block off entire communities, declaring them rightfully theirs, and nobody does anything about it.  People like me are living as second class citizens in our own country.

Of course, I know I'm generalizing, but I'm focusing more on the worst examples.  A vocal minority.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1832 on: May 20, 2010, 09:52:08 am »
I hope that was sarcstic.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1833 on: May 20, 2010, 09:55:42 am »
No, it's not.  It may come off a bit more angry than it is, but I really think that we are going a bit too far in our attempts to appologize for what has been going on for all of human history.  The thing that really gets me is the fact that on numerous occasions, Native groups have gone to various areas and declared the whole place, and every building and the possesions inside them, their property, blocking off all roads in and out until the government gives them more money.
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« Reply #1834 on: May 20, 2010, 10:18:08 am »
My Gripe: People who think the whole "Stalin killed more people than Hitler" thing is a witty and inscisive observation. No, it's a fact which everyone knows and I wish people would stop using it whenever the Holocaust debate comes up. Yes, you've read Animal Farm. Well done.

Now can you all shut the **** up? You want to debate, do somewhere where demeaning the Holocaust isn't a horribly poor taste thing? Or maybe we can start debating what was worse: the Rwandian massacres or Pol Pot's reign of terror.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1835 on: May 20, 2010, 10:19:12 am »
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1836 on: May 20, 2010, 10:20:24 am »
Well, pol has to score a few points due to his whole year 0 thing.

Also the fact his real name was (I kid you not) Saloth Sar.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1837 on: May 20, 2010, 10:22:24 am »
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1838 on: May 20, 2010, 10:26:03 am »
My Gripe: People who think the whole "Stalin killed more people than Hitler" thing is a witty and inscisive observation. No, it's a fact which everyone knows and I wish people would stop using it whenever the Holocaust debate comes up. Yes, you've read Animal Farm. Well done.

Now can you all shut the **** up? You want to debate, do somewhere where demeaning the Holocaust isn't a horribly poor taste thing? Or maybe we can start debating what was worse: the Rwandian massacres or Pol Pot's reign of terror.

Whoa, settle down there pistol pete.  I'm not saying the Holocaust wasn't a horiblly awful thing, because it was.  All genocides are.  I'm simply stating that other, equally bad ones often get swept under the rug and are not given the recognition they deserve.  Nor was I implying that "the whole "Stalin killed more people than Hitler" thing is a witty and inscisive observation", I was simply using the fact of their occurance to reinforce my point.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1839 on: May 20, 2010, 10:31:59 am »
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1840 on: May 20, 2010, 10:38:33 am »

Onto the Holocaust.


You act as if there is some kind of agenda for retarded debate points.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1841 on: May 20, 2010, 10:42:25 am »
There is.  Didn't you get the memo?  Next up we're moving onto gay marrige and abortion.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1842 on: May 20, 2010, 10:43:42 am »
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« Reply #1843 on: May 20, 2010, 10:54:05 am »
We conquered you, and we've been a lot better to you than any other conquerors before us.

What about those disease ridden blankets?
Forcing tribes out from the east inland? I remember learning in History about how some Florida tribes were forced to march hundreds of miles inland, despite being peaceful.
Systematically wiping out herds of buffalo, perhaps the most important resourse to the natives on the plains (the ones in the more fertile coasts did do some farming), all because they had the gall to eke out a living on those lands.
Killing 150 people simply because they were fed up with these invaders.

Now I'm not an apologist. I come from the city where every brick has 'the blood of slaves' on it, due to our actions in the slave trade, but all that is in the past, and nobody is left to apologise for it. I'm not blaming your ancestors either, as I have no idea what generation immigrant you are.

But you are talking about a people who were forced to live on smaller and smaller reservations of land for all sorts of reasons, and have serious problems of their own, like drinking and gambling. And I'd like to see some citations for Native American doing the things you claim.

Also, I have no idea what your family's social standing standing is, but saying you are treated like second class citizens in your own country sounds awfully whiny and an exaggeration.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1844 on: May 20, 2010, 11:13:57 am »
And? Just because of that you think its fair to hype up one event in history as a throwaway to all other tradgedies and unfairly marginalize all other victims? The holocaust was a horrible stain upon the planet that can never be erased but it WAS NOT all about the Jews ; there were worse events and there were better. But to turn history into the "Awesome America vs. Heinous Hitler and his Holocaust of Hate" is just offensive and offends anyone who lost anyone in any great tradgedy.