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Offline Haseri

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1830 on: May 20, 2010, 12:01:23 pm »
We did 'invent' (it was a time period, not a thing) the Renaissance, French for 'reborn'. It started in Florence, Italy, which, unless I'm mistaken, is in Europe.

Unless you take the Renaissance to include Arabian scholars holding onto the knowledge of the Roman Empire after it fell, but that doesn't really count.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1831 on: May 20, 2010, 12:19:21 pm »
Europe has been taking undo credit for innovation (casting all others as “Primitive”) When in actuality, before a few centuries ago, Europe was seriously lagging BEHIND in all aspects of science and culture.

You realise it sort of comes in waves, right?

The Greeks were leaders in scientific learning for a time, then the romans sort of destroyed some of it, but the romans were still expert engineers. Then Rome collapsed and Europe entered the dark ages, and Asia and the Middle East became the centers of science and learning. Then the Renaissance came in Europe and Europe rose to the top again (partly because the Chinese didn't know how to make glass >_>). Europe (and by extension former colonies of Europe) is still riding a high wave that started with the Renaissance, but it can't last forever, and unless we've started some sort of Paradigm shift where things stop happening the way they used to I think its safe to predict Europe (and the West in general) will fall by the wayside and Asian will become the leaders of invention.


But uh, I think we can agree that Australia never invented anything good, right?
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1832 on: May 20, 2010, 12:26:29 pm »
We did 'invent' (it was a time period, not a thing) the Renaissance, French for 'reborn'. It started in Florence, Italy, which, unless I'm mistaken, is in Europe.

Unless you take the Renaissance to include Arabian scholars holding onto the knowledge of the Roman Empire after it fell, but that doesn't really count.


That’s exactly what I meant, but whatever I see this is a path on which I cannot continue.




Onto the Holocaust. What Gripes me is that it is seen as "Just a Jew Thing" when the Jews were actually a minority in the overall victims. Poles, Soviet POW, Soviet Civilians, Homosexuals, Romani (known by the derogative term "Gypsies")Jehovah's witnesses, Catholics and Ethnic Minorities all faced the wrath of the Nazi Camps, and yet no one seems to give  rats ass about them, Where is the Romani sovereign state built on stolen land? Where is the homosexual financial support and aide? It just seems  brutally ironic that the ones who received the most aid after a genocidal purge were the ones who were considered  the most "normal." Stalin alone STARVED more people than Hitler killed Jews and yet they don’t get the “Jew treatment” it just seems to be a huge hypocrisy that Hitler can get his name equated with Satan himself and give the Jews permanent victim status, when so much worse has happened around the world and nobody bats an eye.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1833 on: May 20, 2010, 12:42:14 pm »
My gripe is with Lush. Why are you such a ****ing retard, bro?

Seriously, stop tasing me.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1834 on: May 20, 2010, 12:50:21 pm »
No, I actually agree with Lush on this one, at least with his later point.  Hitler gets a much worse wrap than he deserves, mostly because of the remaining effects of propaganda during the war.  Both Stalin and Mao were much, much worse, yet they arn't focused on because they were Allies.  Furthur more, it was more Himmler who was behind the death camps and whatnot, Hitler simply gave him the power to do it.


Now then, for my own gripe.  Natives need to stop whining so much.  "Oh they took our ancestrial land!"  Get over it.  We conquered you, and we've been a lot better to you than any other conquerors before us.  We give them free land, exeption from taxes, the right to open casinos, among other things, and they still complain to no end.  Furthur more, a lot of the old native groups were nomadic and didn't even have ancestrial land.  And now, we have groups up here who go around and block off entire communities, declaring them rightfully theirs, and nobody does anything about it.  People like me are living as second class citizens in our own country.

Of course, I know I'm generalizing, but I'm focusing more on the worst examples.  A vocal minority.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1835 on: May 20, 2010, 12:52:08 pm »
I hope that was sarcstic.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1836 on: May 20, 2010, 12:55:42 pm »
No, it's not.  It may come off a bit more angry than it is, but I really think that we are going a bit too far in our attempts to appologize for what has been going on for all of human history.  The thing that really gets me is the fact that on numerous occasions, Native groups have gone to various areas and declared the whole place, and every building and the possesions inside them, their property, blocking off all roads in and out until the government gives them more money.
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« Reply #1837 on: May 20, 2010, 01:18:08 pm »
My Gripe: People who think the whole "Stalin killed more people than Hitler" thing is a witty and inscisive observation. No, it's a fact which everyone knows and I wish people would stop using it whenever the Holocaust debate comes up. Yes, you've read Animal Farm. Well done.

Now can you all shut the **** up? You want to debate, do somewhere where demeaning the Holocaust isn't a horribly poor taste thing? Or maybe we can start debating what was worse: the Rwandian massacres or Pol Pot's reign of terror.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1838 on: May 20, 2010, 01:19:12 pm »
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1839 on: May 20, 2010, 01:20:24 pm »
Well, pol has to score a few points due to his whole year 0 thing.

Also the fact his real name was (I kid you not) Saloth Sar.

Saloth flipping Sar!
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1840 on: May 20, 2010, 01:22:24 pm »
Plank, if you weren't a winner already you would be now.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1841 on: May 20, 2010, 01:26:03 pm »
My Gripe: People who think the whole "Stalin killed more people than Hitler" thing is a witty and inscisive observation. No, it's a fact which everyone knows and I wish people would stop using it whenever the Holocaust debate comes up. Yes, you've read Animal Farm. Well done.

Now can you all shut the **** up? You want to debate, do somewhere where demeaning the Holocaust isn't a horribly poor taste thing? Or maybe we can start debating what was worse: the Rwandian massacres or Pol Pot's reign of terror.

Whoa, settle down there pistol pete.  I'm not saying the Holocaust wasn't a horiblly awful thing, because it was.  All genocides are.  I'm simply stating that other, equally bad ones often get swept under the rug and are not given the recognition they deserve.  Nor was I implying that "the whole "Stalin killed more people than Hitler" thing is a witty and inscisive observation", I was simply using the fact of their occurance to reinforce my point.
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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1842 on: May 20, 2010, 01:31:59 pm »
Can I be the first on the forum to own a Dual-Winnership? Or is it too early for the forum to comprehend such things?

That's a bold request, Plank...

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1843 on: May 20, 2010, 01:38:33 pm »

Onto the Holocaust.


You act as if there is some kind of agenda for retarded debate points.

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Re: Gripe Thread
« Reply #1844 on: May 20, 2010, 01:42:25 pm »
There is.  Didn't you get the memo?  Next up we're moving onto gay marrige and abortion.
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