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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #120 on: January 18, 2007, 01:49:40 pm »
What if I felt like shooting a target or something? It would be nice to be able to do that if I felt like it.

And even if it was purely aesthetic...

Compare:

Guest: Hey, nice AK. Is it real?
Me: No...
Guest: Oh...

to:

Guest: Hey, nice AK. Is it real?
Me: Yep
Guest: Cool.

If I were to hang an AK on my wall, I'd want it to be authentic. Otherwise it's really pointless. Wouldn't you rather have real gold than something painted to look like gold?
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #121 on: January 18, 2007, 01:51:44 pm »
And even if it was purely aesthetic...

Compare:

Guest: Hey, nice AK. Is it real?
Me: No...
Guest: Oh...

to:

Guest: Hey, nice AK. Is it real?
Me: Yep
Guest: Cool.

If I were to hang an AK on my wall, I'd want it to be authentic. Otherwise it's really pointless. Wouldn't you rather have real gold than something painted to look like gold?

I think you just completely ignored what I wrote. I'll quote myself.

Why not? Maybe I want an AK to hang on my wall. Yes, I could get a non-functional replica but it's just not the same.

Why is it not the same, since its value hanging on the wall is purely aesthetic. In fact, if someone told you it was working or sold it to you as such, it would be absolutely no different since you're not deriving utility from its use.

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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #122 on: January 18, 2007, 02:25:33 pm »
Like Bob said, "Wouldn't you rather have real gold than something painted to look like gold?"

Its value hanging on the wall (for some people) is greater if it's an actual functional gun. A lot of people buy BMWs but never drive them at 120mph, but the fact that they could is good enough and makes it worthwhile. He could also use the AK to shoot at dangerous critters and such wandering on his property if the opportunity arose.

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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #123 on: January 18, 2007, 03:05:53 pm »
Which brings us back to the point of guns being designed for the purpose of hunt instead "murder" Whats wrong with the bolt action for critters on the property. The AK-47 is designed to kill humans in a rather effective way. So unless you plan on killing some humans you don't need it. A replica will serve the needs of looking pretty.

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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #124 on: January 18, 2007, 03:10:11 pm »
Like Bob said, "Wouldn't you rather have real gold than something painted to look like gold?"

But the only function of Gold is to look like Gold (well, and computer parts, but that doesnt count). The function of an AK is to kill people. The function of a wall-AK is to look like an AK... on a wall.

A better analogue would be "Would you rather have an AK or a plastic AK painted to look like a real one?"
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #125 on: January 18, 2007, 03:53:18 pm »
Which brings us back to the point of guns being designed for the purpose of hunt instead "murder" Whats wrong with the bolt action for critters on the property. The AK-47 is designed to kill humans in a rather effective way. So unless you plan on killing some humans you don't need it. A replica will serve the needs of looking pretty.

There are a lot of things that people don't "need" that they buy anyhow. Also, there are numerous bolt-action rifles that were "designed" for killing people, like the Mosin-Nagant I have.

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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #126 on: January 18, 2007, 04:15:18 pm »
Which brings us back to the point of guns being designed for the purpose of hunt instead "murder" Whats wrong with the bolt action for critters on the property. The AK-47 is designed to kill humans in a rather effective way. So unless you plan on killing some humans you don't need it. A replica will serve the needs of looking pretty.

There are a lot of things that people don't "need" that they buy anyhow. Also, there are numerous bolt-action rifles that were "designed" for killing people, like the Mosin-Nagant I have.

and what was your motivation to buy it?
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #127 on: January 18, 2007, 05:03:39 pm »
and what was your motivation to buy it?

Simple. Ego.

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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #128 on: January 18, 2007, 05:36:50 pm »
It's a classic, plus it's good for shooting things.

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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #129 on: January 18, 2007, 06:40:32 pm »
Like Bob said, "Wouldn't you rather have real gold than something painted to look like gold?"

But the only function of Gold is to look like Gold (well, and computer parts, but that doesnt count). The function of an AK is to kill people. The function of a wall-AK is to look like an AK... on a wall.

A better analogue would be "Would you rather have an AK or a plastic AK painted to look like a real one?"

I would, of course, prefer the real AK. A plastic AK would be pointless. I really don't see your point.

Authentic > Fake

There are a lot of things that people don't "need" that they buy anyhow. Also, there are numerous bolt-action rifles that were "designed" for killing people, like the Mosin-Nagant I have.

Lucky...I would like to have either an Ak-47 or K98. The K98s are cheaper and easier to get in the U.S. so I'd probably get one of them. My parents would never let me so it'll have to wait.
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #130 on: January 18, 2007, 06:43:36 pm »
But if you never ever used it and it just hung on your wall and looked exactly like a real one. Does it really matter if it's real or not? The person who sold it to you could just lie and say it's real and you'd never know anyway. Or, when people ask you if it's real or not you could just tell them it's real and noone would know (or care) if it isn't. It still serves all the purposes you wanted it to but doesn't need to have any killing functionality, see?
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #131 on: January 18, 2007, 06:45:16 pm »
When you try to approach it logically, sure, that works.

But having the real thing is much, I don't know, cooler than having a fake one.
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #132 on: January 18, 2007, 06:46:44 pm »
When you try to approach it logically, sure, that works.

But having the real thing is much, I don't know, cooler than having a fake one.

lol, sorry, I'll remember not to sully this thread with logic next time!  ;)
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #133 on: January 18, 2007, 06:48:40 pm »
Why would I mount a fake on my wall? It's just pointless...

No history behind it, nothing to be proud of, and if I ever did want to shoot it I wouldn't be able to.

Don't you have anything of sentimental value? Perhaps something handed down through generations of your family? Something unique that your grandfather picked up in France during WWII? A souvineer from someplace that you've been to? A last gift from someone you loved who died?

If you do, then would you like it if I replaced it with a replica?
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Re: Guns! (and other things that go boom) (and of course the brown note)
« Reply #134 on: January 18, 2007, 06:50:03 pm »
When you try to approach it logically, sure, that works.

But having the real thing is much, I don't know, cooler than having a fake one.

lol, sorry, I'll remember not to sully this thread with logic next time!  ;)

or most of the rest of the internet, unfortunately.
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