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What if the DS didn't catch on?
« on: September 30, 2006, 09:40:34 pm »
Well?  What if the DS didn't catch on and the PSP won the handheld war?  Would we be looking at a handheld market filled with console ports?  Would the Wii have the new control scheme?  It's not impossible to imagine this situation, before the release of both, everyone predicted that the PSP would indeed win.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2006, 05:09:21 am »
Why would it be filled with ports? The DS has a lot of ports to, but most of them are god awful so they are ignored.

I don't really think the PSP would have sold a hole lot more then it has now. Obviously it would have sold a little more, since there wouldn't be any "direct" competition left. The reason the PSP hasn't overtaken the DS yet, at least in my opinion, is that the DS has a had a really solid year while the PSP has had a lot of dry periodes where no good games have come out. This seems to be changing but, probably is to late because the DS owns Japan, and I doubt the PSP can ever the first place, in Japan anyway.

Nintendo would probably sell a lot more units of Gameboy Micros to.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2006, 07:23:33 am »
Regain the first? It never had the first. DS has been reaming it from day one - PSP just can't catch up.

But if the DS didn't catch on, we'd all be playing Gameboy Micros.  Nintendo don't give up half of the videogames industry so easily.
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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2006, 10:13:33 am »
Regain the first? It never had the first. DS has been reaming it from day one - PSP just can't catch up.

But if the DS didn't catch on, we'd all be playing Gameboy Micros.  Nintendo don't give up half of the videogames industry so easily.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2006, 01:57:15 pm »
Why would it be filled with ports? The DS has a lot of ports to, but most of them are god awful so they are ignored.

I'll let IGN answer that question:

"My biggest issue with the PSP is that, really, it's just a shrunk down current-generation console. In theory this sounds great, since you can take PS2-quality games on the go. But the problem here is going to be simply one thing: expectations. Budgets for PlayStation 2 game development encroaches and many times exceeds the million-dollar pricetag. And the GBA market has proven that US consumers aren't willing to pay a premium for portable games over console titles. But with the system's capabilities being so darn close to a PlayStation 2, gamers will expect a similar experience. So, Sony will have to set a MSRP at less than what an average PS2 game goes for. And that will cut into the profit structure of the publishers and developers, which means budgets to make these games will have to be sliced as well. It's a sticky situation that's currently a big question mark…will developers and publishers embrace the system even if it's not nearly as profitable to support as the Nintendo DS…or even the Game Boy Advance.

Which boils down to the real problem: because the budgets will most likely be reduced on the PSP developments, developers may resort to the logical conclusion: porting is the cheapest way to get games on the platform. And while it's great to get your favorite console games on the handheld (Nintendo's made a bundle on SNES and NES ports and emulations), originality is a lot more appealing, and it's currently unclear how many original IPs the PlayStation Portable will have. And that will affect just how large its following will be."

Keep in mind this was written before both systems were released, but it still holds true.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2006, 07:40:29 am »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2006, 06:50:47 pm »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.


Very true. Nintendo was pushing away at their E3 2004 press conference that before the PSP sells one unit, over 24 milion people will already own a GBA.

I know I would take GBA over PSP anyday.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2006, 08:38:34 am »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.


Very true. Nintendo was pushing away at their E3 2004 press conference that before the PSP sells one unit, over 24 milion people will already own a GBA.

I know I would take GBA over PSP anyday.

I need to look at the latest figures, but I think I recall that GBA is still outselling the PSP in Japan.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 09:01:04 pm »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.


Very true. Nintendo was pushing away at their E3 2004 press conference that before the PSP sells one unit, over 24 milion people will already own a GBA.

I know I would take GBA over PSP anyday.

I need to look at the latest figures, but I think I recall that GBA is still outselling the PSP in Japan.

I know that the PSP is selling faster than the GBA right now, but the GBA has sold more total units so far.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2006, 09:56:22 am »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.


Very true. Nintendo was pushing away at their E3 2004 press conference that before the PSP sells one unit, over 24 milion people will already own a GBA.

I know I would take GBA over PSP anyday.

I need to look at the latest figures, but I think I recall that GBA is still outselling the PSP in Japan.

I know that the PSP is selling faster than the GBA right now, but the GBA has sold more total units so far.

Yeah but it has also been out a lot more years and is a lot cheaper, so that is only natural.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2006, 11:55:19 am »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.


Very true. Nintendo was pushing away at their E3 2004 press conference that before the PSP sells one unit, over 24 milion people will already own a GBA.

I know I would take GBA over PSP anyday.

I need to look at the latest figures, but I think I recall that GBA is still outselling the PSP in Japan.

I know that the PSP is selling faster than the GBA right now, but the GBA has sold more total units so far.

The PSP will never sell more than the GBA did. It's questionable whether the DS will even catch up to it. What is remarkable though is that the DS, if it continues selling at the pace that it is, will have sold more units than the PS2 within another year. THAT ... is insane.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2006, 12:00:25 pm »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.


Very true. Nintendo was pushing away at their E3 2004 press conference that before the PSP sells one unit, over 24 milion people will already own a GBA.

I know I would take GBA over PSP anyday.

I need to look at the latest figures, but I think I recall that GBA is still outselling the PSP in Japan.

I know that the PSP is selling faster than the GBA right now, but the GBA has sold more total units so far.

The PSP will never sell more than the GBA did. It's questionable whether the DS will even catch up to it. What is remarkable though is that the DS, if it continues selling at the pace that it is, will have sold more units than the PS2 within another year. THAT ... is insane.

I didn't say it was gonna sell more then the GBA.

But yeah that is crazy, there aren't gonna be any more Japanese people to sell it to.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2006, 02:05:17 pm »
I'm with Cool AN. If the DS had failed, or simply never existed at all, the GBA would still have ripped PSP apart.


Very true. Nintendo was pushing away at their E3 2004 press conference that before the PSP sells one unit, over 24 milion people will already own a GBA.

I know I would take GBA over PSP anyday.

I need to look at the latest figures, but I think I recall that GBA is still outselling the PSP in Japan.

I know that the PSP is selling faster than the GBA right now, but the GBA has sold more total units so far.

The PSP will never sell more than the GBA did. It's questionable whether the DS will even catch up to it. What is remarkable though is that the DS, if it continues selling at the pace that it is, will have sold more units than the PS2 within another year. THAT ... is insane.

I didn't say it was gonna sell more then the GBA.

But yeah that is crazy, there aren't gonna be any more Japanese people to sell it to.

All Nintendo has to do once everyone in Japan ones a DS is release a new color of it. Seriously: They will buy a new color of it without hesitation. I personally think the DS has a strong chance of beating out the GBA line in unit sales, but I'm hesitating to say that outright since the GBA was just insanely popular.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2006, 04:40:01 pm »
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The PSP will never sell more than the GBA did. It's questionable whether the DS will even catch up to it. What is remarkable though is that the DS, if it continues selling at the pace that it is, will have sold more units than the PS2 within another year. THAT ... is insane.

I think that the DS could beat the GBA total sales eventually. It hasn't yet, and it wouldn't for a while, but the DS is flying off of shelves everywhere, and the PSP is really having no effect on the unit's success. Given the proper amount of time, and that Nintendo doesn't release the successor to the DS anytime soon, it is possible, though it is quite a battle, considering the GBA sold about 75 million units.

Also, the DS won't have sold nearly as many units as the PS2 within a year. The DS so far has sold a little more than 22 million units so far, while the PS2 has sold over 103 million units.

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2006, 09:38:57 pm »
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The PSP will never sell more than the GBA did. It's questionable whether the DS will even catch up to it. What is remarkable though is that the DS, if it continues selling at the pace that it is, will have sold more units than the PS2 within another year. THAT ... is insane.

I think that the DS could beat the GBA total sales eventually. It hasn't yet, and it wouldn't for a while, but the DS is flying off of shelves everywhere, and the PSP is really having no effect on the unit's success. Given the proper amount of time, and that Nintendo doesn't release the successor to the DS anytime soon, it is possible, though it is quite a battle, considering the GBA sold about 75 million units.

Also, the DS won't have sold nearly as many units as the PS2 within a year. The DS so far has sold a little more than 22 million units so far, while the PS2 has sold over 103 million units.

Oh, apologies: I should have specified. I meant in Japan. The DS is paced to outsell the PS2 in total Japanese sales within the next year. Sony has shipped -- I hate how they measure it like that -- 23.5 million PS2s in Japan from its launch to June 30th of this year. The biggest deficit in the system outselling the PS2 worldwide in a short time is that it's still getting its legs under it overseas. But it's pulling away from the PSP in the States since the DS Lite launched, and 3rd parties like EA are shifting the majority of their handheld production for 2007 to the DS. 2007 is going to be a huge year for the DS in terms of 3rd party support, at which time I could see its sales average in the States and Europe get a healthy bump.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2006, 09:57:52 pm »
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The PSP will never sell more than the GBA did. It's questionable whether the DS will even catch up to it. What is remarkable though is that the DS, if it continues selling at the pace that it is, will have sold more units than the PS2 within another year. THAT ... is insane.

I think that the DS could beat the GBA total sales eventually. It hasn't yet, and it wouldn't for a while, but the DS is flying off of shelves everywhere, and the PSP is really having no effect on the unit's success. Given the proper amount of time, and that Nintendo doesn't release the successor to the DS anytime soon, it is possible, though it is quite a battle, considering the GBA sold about 75 million units.

Also, the DS won't have sold nearly as many units as the PS2 within a year. The DS so far has sold a little more than 22 million units so far, while the PS2 has sold over 103 million units.

Oh, apologies: I should have specified. I meant in Japan. The DS is paced to outsell the PS2 in total Japanese sales within the next year. Sony has shipped -- I hate how they measure it like that -- 23.5 million PS2s in Japan from its launch to June 30th of this year. The biggest deficit in the system outselling the PS2 worldwide in a short time is that it's still getting its legs under it overseas. But it's pulling away from the PSP in the States since the DS Lite launched, and 3rd parties like EA are shifting the majority of their handheld production for 2007 to the DS. 2007 is going to be a huge year for the DS in terms of 3rd party support, at which time I could see its sales average in the States and Europe get a healthy bump.

Wow, so the DS really is poised to sell more in Japan than PS2's in Japan. How many DS' have been sold in Japan? I know it is over 10 million, but I don't know the exact breakdown. In any case, the thing is flying off shelves. Pokemon just released this week over there, and that is already selling massively well.

I too, am excited to see the DS get more third-party support. The DS has been getting some superb games, most of them from Nintendo, which is perfectly fine, but it is exciting to see third-parties taking notice of the innovation and success of DS. If EA is hopping aboard, then anything is possible!

While the DS has always wiped the PSP in Japan, in the U.S. and Europe, the race has been much closer. But even still, like you said, the DS is starting to take off here as well, and is now getting an even greater lead on the PSP.

It's great to see everyone now taking notice of the opportunities that the DS offers. The Wii looks very cool on its ownright, but after seeing what Nintendo has done with the DS, I am confident that the Wii will support a similar experience that is totally new.

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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2006, 06:52:26 am »
Damn you, I have no argument to what you are saying because it is all true.

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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2006, 07:27:10 am »
Wow, so the DS really is poised to sell more in Japan than PS2's in Japan. How many DS' have been sold in Japan? I know it is over 10 million, but I don't know the exact breakdown. In any case, the thing is flying off shelves. Pokemon just released this week over there, and that is already selling massively well.

The DS is averaging anywhere from 200,000 to 250,000 units sold in Japan per week. Break that down over another year's worth of sales, factoring in holidays, and the fact that Pokemon's release (1.5 million units sold in five days, breaking NSMB's record by almost 2x!) also increased sales of the hardware by over 50% ... it's looking decent that it could top the PS2 in Japan.

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I too, am excited to see the DS get more third-party support. The DS has been getting some superb games, most of them from Nintendo, which is perfectly fine, but it is exciting to see third-parties taking notice of the innovation and success of DS. If EA is hopping aboard, then anything is possible!

Atlus is another company worth supporting on the DS. They are bringing over some of the really quirky games that we ordinarily wouldn't see overseas, and I plan to support their efforts on the Wii as well. EA has stated that they will be supporting the DS aggressively starting in 2007, which is a complete 180 from their earlier stance of PSP support. They have also said that looking at the DS's game sales, they plan on bringing more creative, innovative titles than people would expect from them as those seem to be the games that sell the best on the system.

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While the DS has always wiped the PSP in Japan, in the U.S. and Europe, the race has been much closer. But even still, like you said, the DS is starting to take off here as well, and is now getting an even greater lead on the PSP.

Europe and the US are both slowly turning into DS strongholds. Nintendo expects 10 million DSs to have sold in Europe by the end of the year, which is actually very good. So yeah, it's happening.

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The Wii looks very cool on its ownright, but after seeing what Nintendo has done with the DS, I am confident that the Wii will support a similar experience that is totally new.

Sure, but like the DS, I think it might take a year or so to see what the Wii can really do. Don't get me wrong: Nintendo will take immediate advantage of its capabilities, but it's unrealistic to think that 3rd parties till do the same from the get-go, though I have high hopes for the Madden game on the system. I can't believe EA finally made a Madden that sounds fun to me.

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I don't think so. You still almost singlehandedly kept the PSP thread alive. Hell, if Sony had someone like you handling their PR, they likely wouldn't be having as many problems as they've been having.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2006, 09:45:18 am »
I often times look at their mistakes and think on how many ways I could have done it better.

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Atlus is another company worth supporting on the DS. They are bringing over some of the really quirky games that we ordinarily wouldn't see overseas, and I plan to support their efforts on the Wii as well. EA has stated that they will be supporting the DS aggressively starting in 2007, which is a complete 180 from their earlier stance of PSP support. They have also said that looking at the DS's game sales, they plan on bringing more creative, innovative titles than people would expect from them as those seem to be the games that sell the best on the system.

If only EA would have put so much thought into PSP games, then they probably wouldn't have to switch to the DS to get strong sales.

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Europe and the US are both slowly turning into DS strongholds. Nintendo expects 10 million DSs to have sold in Europe by the end of the year, which is actually very good. So yeah, it's happening.

Yeah, unless Sony lowers the price of the PSP, and games like Tekken and GTA keep getting released, the DS may have a pretty big fight on it's screens. That is of course assumening do any thing like that.

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Atlus is another company worth supporting on the DS. They are bringing over some of the really quirky games that we ordinarily wouldn't see overseas, and I plan to support their efforts on the Wii as well. EA has stated that they will be supporting the DS aggressively starting in 2007, which is a complete 180 from their earlier stance of PSP support. They have also said that looking at the DS's game sales, they plan on bringing more creative, innovative titles than people would expect from them as those seem to be the games that sell the best on the system.

If only EA would have put so much thought into PSP games, then they probably wouldn't have to switch to the DS to get strong sales.

The problem is on the PSP they didn't have to. The system is basically a portable PlayStation, much like its name implies, and they (along with most other companies) assumed success by simply bringing ports over. And in some cases, that works. They're not switching to the DS because of their own failings; they're switching because the DS is the current handheld power, and EA (like all 3rd parties) will always support the #1 system with the majority of their work.

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Europe and the US are both slowly turning into DS strongholds. Nintendo expects 10 million DSs to have sold in Europe by the end of the year, which is actually very good. So yeah, it's happening.

Yeah, unless Sony lowers the price of the PSP, and games like Tekken and GTA keep getting released, the DS may have a pretty big fight on it's screens. That is of course assumening do any thing like that.

Mark my words: Sony could drop the price of the PSP $50-100 and the DS would still beat it. Tekken and GTA won't change that. More ports cannot beat a system that gets an overwhelming amount of original and innovative games that are exclusive, and has already got 3rd parties lining up to develop for it. It takes the PSP two months to sell as many units in Japan as the DS sells in a week. There is no easy fix for that.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2006, 12:36:52 pm »
I don't really have anything to say, at least on this time.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2007, 09:38:45 pm »
Sony is choking the PSP by shoving ports down it's throat. Somewhere down the line, it's gonna choke and spit out the food all over Sony's chest. The DS is eating healthy and trying alot of new foods. Sure, it sometimes does get a port but all the health food it eats is making it healthy.

I predict that the DS will soon be a model of health and eventually Sony will just take a gun and blow the PSP's brain out.

The PSP is doomed! or not....I doubt it will last for long though.



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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 04:53:53 am »
I doubt YOU will last long!

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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2007, 12:06:06 am »
If Sony "won" anything it'd probably herald the end of gaming that i'd bother with.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2007, 01:10:21 pm »
The PSP is doomed! or not....I doubt it will last for long though.


Unfourtunately every time I go out to game stores all I see are idiots looking at the PSP section, pointing at the crappest game (with a film license) they can see and saying "oh aye, that's a well good game" there a Games Center which seems to be run by these idiots, there's a shelf for Wii's, a DS section which is right next to the counter, so people shopping wont see, and by the time they have, they've probably picked up a game and don't want to pick up another one. But the PSP, its every were in there. So the PSP will make some money from idiots, although it will never outsell the DS, but there are a lot of idiots in the world.
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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2007, 03:25:31 pm »
People aren't idiots for buying PSP's. They are idiots if they choose it simply because of the name and didn't check the other options to see what suits their personal gaming taste best.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2007, 03:56:35 pm »
That's basically what everybody does, (i do have a PSP, but i rarely use it, and when I do, I use it for watching movies that I've downloaded, it has quite a nice screen, I'll give it that).
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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2007, 04:13:42 pm »
I didn't buy the PSP because of it's brand name (infact when I became interested in it I was quite the anti console gamer) but because the idea of a console that you could take on the road and listen to music AND watch movies on appealed immensely to me. At the time where I decided I wanted one, badly I might add, I hadn't looked at the lineup that closely but soon found it to be to my liking and I have since purchased many great games. The DS didn't appeal to me at the time since it just seemed like a Gameboy with an extra screen and a lot of the games that actually interest me on it weren't out yet.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2007, 04:23:06 pm »
i didnt had the DS either until advanced wars...stil the bast game on that thing....maybe something like fire emblem wil beat it...or perhaps zelda

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2007, 03:45:29 pm »
To be honest I never got into either of them, I'd probably get more into my DS, but I'm to cheap to buy more games for my DS. :'( ((is the animal crossing on the DS any good?))
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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2007, 04:59:42 pm »
Try consulting the huge Animal Crossing theard on this board. Should be on the frontpage directly below you when you are reading this message, unless some one else posts after me which is highly probable.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2007, 07:55:26 pm »
There has been a bit of an Animal crossing re-surgance on this board I start playing a couple of weeks ago at the same time 1 or 2 other have taken a look into it and it's building up so if you can get it online you can really fully enjoy it.

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2007, 04:05:08 am »
The only thing I really use my PSP for is for internet when the computer is unavailable, I barely ever play my games, and I may, on an airplane trip, watch movies. But I will stop watching movies on the PSP when I get my laptop.
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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2007, 01:23:38 pm »
What games do you have?

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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2007, 10:03:44 am »
Only two games which weren't really that good, so i suppose I shouldn't blame the PSP for everything.

Death Jr. and Loco Roco.

I am more of a casual gamer, and I would have to say that DS games on the market appeal to me a lot more than Final Fantasy (which is still great for me) and basically the majority of the PSP's game (FPSs) market.
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Re: What if the DS didn't catch on?
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2007, 01:47:25 pm »
There are a lot of great games on the PSP though. I would defiantly check out it's library and see if some thing catches your fancy.

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