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Fanfic PnP?
« on: July 27, 2006, 02:28:49 am »
As it came up in chat, i was wondering what the forum has to say about a fanfic PnP.

The basic idea is similar to Dnd format (dice roll to hit etc), but with our own races and classes. I'm terrible at maths and theres no way im being Dungeon Master, should we create a campaign. We decided on a special (i think the term is "prestige class") for each race. We are staying away from magic.

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Balthamael
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So far:

Classes
Bounty Hunter:
Fights with Handarms or Knives. Stealthy, fast type of charcter. High DEX and CHA needed.

Soldier:
Fights with larger guns, rifles/shotguns. The Basic fighter-type. High STR and CON needed.

Space Pirate:
Agile and quick. Can ambush other craft with great piloting skills. Good hand to hand as well as hacking skills. Uses pistols, blades and can use cannons.  High DEX and INT

Berseker:
A more damage, but less chance-to-hit soldier. Good perhaps use some kind of adrenaline buffs on it's self. Fights in Melee.

Medic:
The weak healer type, required to keep everyone alive. High Intelligence needed.

Scientist:
Can identify items and enemies and operate advanced technology and gadgets. High Int and Wis. Fights using unorthodox weapons.

Races:
The races on this forum each get +4 extra points to spend.

Eg Auyuelcliad +2 CON +2 WIS]
Special class:
Cantabriaire Knight, Mellee fighter , fights with two swords or a harrakai. Has medic and fighter traits.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2006, 08:36:24 am by Balthamael »


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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2006, 02:53:21 am »
Priest seems to me to be a mismatch with the Sci-fi setting... it needs to be 'scientist' or something... maybe 'Technomancer'
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2006, 02:55:02 am »
Space Pirate:
Agile and quick. Can ambush other craft with great piloting skills. Good hand to hand as well as hacking skills. Uses pistols, blades and can use cannons.  High DEX and INT


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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 03:07:34 am »
Xenologist:
Can identify items and enemies and operate advanced technology and gadgets. High Int and Wis. Fights using unorthodox weapons. Kind of like a mage.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2006, 04:12:11 am »
Sounds like the system they use in Freedom Force... that would worke pretty well
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2006, 05:04:28 am »
I think we should drop the idea of having fair and equal races. The races are not fair and equal in out the spore universe. Do what d20 dose and use a level Adjustment.


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+36 strenght -4 Dexterity +36 constution +26 Wisdom +26 Intelligences -14 Charisma: Unoriginal Overpowering Alien Space Dragon are ridiculously strong a little bit cumpsy have more great health is both wise and intelligent and hated by all because there Unoriginal Overpowering Alien Space Dragons.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2006, 10:51:32 am »
Good ideas all.


Come to think of it, being the DM would be fun. I kinda brainstormed a few ideas today.

I don't have the appropraite dice however.

What are we going to do about melee?
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2006, 11:03:27 am »
Good ideas all.


Come to think of it, being the DM would be fun. I kinda brainstormed a few ideas today.

I don't have the appropraite dice however.

What are we going to do about melee?

You can get electronic dices. Just look on the internet for a random generator.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2006, 11:16:32 am »
Good ideas all.


Come to think of it, being the DM would be fun. I kinda brainstormed a few ideas today.

I don't have the appropraite dice however.

What are we going to do about melee?

You can get electronic dices. Just look on the internet for a random generator.

You just told me that on chat :p.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2006, 03:18:22 pm »
Anyway i have posted some infomation earlier on DnD and d20. Even if nothing have bin decided about what system will be use there may be some of you that are interested in how d20 works.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2006, 06:57:42 am »
I think I'm gonna need alot of help from you Yokto.

Should we bother having Alignment?

Perhaps we should have Loyalty...?

EG O.T.H.E.R, CAB and SWU. you could have loyalty to a certain faction.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2006, 01:25:55 pm »
The standard alignment system from DnD should work fine. Good/evil, Law/Chaos

With restrictions. All ViS must be Lawful Neutral :P
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2006, 02:29:05 pm »
Why don't you use the Mutants and Masterminds v1.1 system? It lets you design them to be anything you need. Standard would be PL3. A Torpal, for instance would have:

Str 20, Con 18, Dex 14, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 8
BAB +1 (Melee +6)
Defense: 14 (12 Flat Footed)
Skills: Profession (War-Monger) +3
Feats: Durability
Powers: Growth +2 [Extras: Continuous. Flaws: Permanent]

It works like this. Every PL adds 15 points. You spend them like this.
Stats: Base 10. One point per point increased and you gain one for every point you decrease. As a Torpal is strong and aggressive with some cunning, they're high physical stats, average mental stats, with higher wis to represent their predatory nature and low cha to represent that few creatures like their predatory minds
Base Attack Bonus: 3 points per +1. As this is a standard Torpal, he's not got any formal training.
Defense: 2 points per +1. Once again, this is more to represent their natural toughness.
Skills: They work on a 1 for 1 point basis. I gave a +2 here to show natural strength in this.
Feats: 2 per feat. Obvious reasons here.
Powers: Growth supplies natural resilience, an increase in size, and an increase in strength. As the Torpals are big creatures, about 10 feet tall, they are Large creatures by base size. If this one gains 2 more ranks in Growth, he reaches Huge size. The stuff in brackets are extras. As it has the Continuous Extra, and the Permanent Flaw, the powers cost is the same. This means it cannot increase or decrease in size, and is automatically at whatever size the rank changes it to.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2006, 02:33:41 pm »
Interesting. Do you have a link to materials on this?

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2006, 12:56:05 am »
Now, I'm not a PnP gamer (even though I had many books in my youth but no one to play with) but I've been listening to the  Dragon's Landing podcast and they're developing an a (OGL) system that I think could be used in this universe.

I've even considered contacting some of the creators here to see if they'd be interested in adapting their creatures into a module (be it D20 or DL's system). And I do believe if that the creatures would have to be adapted and changed to fit into a cohesive whole. And this is partly the reason I never got around to contacting anyone. How would one approach, let's say Hydro for example, and say I want to use the Nauceans in a PnP game but I need to make some significant changes to them so that they meet the required design criteria. These would include subtle changes to their appearance and cutting out huge chunks of the history you developed.

That said, I do think that there is potential for a successful, commercial PnP world from what has spawned here. And if someone is brave enough to seriously take this task on, I'd be willing to offer my creative services to bring this to life.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2006, 05:15:14 am »
I wouldn't mind volunteering to help with this. Game balance is my specialty within game design.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2006, 07:55:42 am »
I offer my rather limited expertise also, of course.

So, basic rules?

Are we going for a d20 Hit/miss roll thingy?

What races shall we put in?
I'm a bit worried we have no "Humans". As in, a race that is average at everything.All races are specialised, as far as i can see.Unless we use The ViS as a "base race" that are average at everything.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2006, 08:50:11 am »
I don't think we necessarily need a "base race". Humans aren't really a base race in most RPGs, they get bonuses of their own.

Besides, the ViS are anything but average.

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2006, 09:00:39 am »
Chat Transcript:

Yokto: Well i think if we use the d20 system then a class like Techmancer should be PC

Daxx: there;s loads of ideas for classes

Balthamael: aye.

Daxx: mercenary
assassin
pilot
soldier
technomancer
scientist
loads of ways to specialise as a scientist
technician
researcher

Balthamael: archeologist...

Daxx: explorer

Balthamael: berserker

Daxx: diplomat
rogue, of course
priest

Balthamael: martial artist.

Balthamael: As well as races-specific ones liek Cantabriaire Knight, Tarsine assassin, Dhulam Priest.
Shall we not have gods? As "Calling down you god" is a bit too magic-y.

Daxx: no magic

Balthamael: yeah.

Daxx: priests can be skilled with other things, or arcane technology
no calling down the wrath of the gods

Balthamael: What can priests do then?

Buffs?

Daxx: i would guess mostly people skills, healing and the like

knowlege, lore

Balthamael: Like Tsem is a kidn of wise-morale boost guy?

Daxx: yeah, i would guess so
fanatic-abilities or meditation in there too for priests and maybe others, like perhaps the ability to ignore pain or something

Balthamael: Fanatic- berseker?
maybe on Cantabriaire to?

Balthamael: Have both sides of it meditation- lawfull, Berserk- Chaos.

Daxx: meditation could grant all sorts of interesting bonuses

Balthamael: Like...ignore pain, chance to dodge, More chnace to hit...

Auyuelcliads meditate..woo.

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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2006, 10:32:36 am »
I've never PNP gamed but I would be interested in this.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2006, 11:07:22 am »
List very much open to discussion.

Main Classes (Archtypes):

Melee (Berserker, Fighter, Martial Artist)
Stealth (Assassin,Thief,Spy,Bounty hunter)
Knowledge (Scientist, Scholar, Medic, Priest, Engineer, Pilot)
Ranged (Sniper, Soldier, Gunslinger)


Beserker:
Low health/armour but massibe melee damage. I imagine High STR and WIS would be usefull. Torpals would make good berserkers.

Fighter:
High health and slightly lower damage than beserker. High STR and CON needed.

Martial Artist:
A middle way fighter that has no weopons. I can see arm locks, KD punches... High DEX and WIS needed.

Assassin:
A stealthy Charcter who can assassinate foes. Probably uses Poison, Knives....High INT and DEX needed

Thief:
Similar to Assassin, but better at sneaking, but worse at fighting. High DEX and INT needed.

Spy:
I can imagine a generic stealthy charcter, but with the ability to speak several languages/decode document/hear through doors well. High DEX and CHA needed.

Scientist:
Skilled at the use of machinery, chemicals and advanced weopons. "Squishy". High INT and DEX needed.

Scholar:
A charcter that can speak ancient languages and dicuss things well. High INT and WIS needed.

Medic:
The Healer. High INT and CHA needed. (maybe DEX)

Priest:
Part healer, Part Scholar, with a few unique abilities of their own (meditation). High WIS and CHA needed.

Engineer:
Skilled at fixing/using machinery. Probably uses handarms. High INT and DEX needed.

Pilot:
Skilled at using vehicles and ships. Similar to Engineer. High INT and DEX needed.

Sniper:
A soldier who can see enemies weak point and do common critical hits. High DEX and something else needed.

Soldier:
A charcater that uses rifles and machine guns to inflict heavy damage. High DEX and CHA needed.

Gunslinger:
Uses Handarms and pistols to great effect. Can hit alot fo opponents with a small amount of damage. High DEX and WIS needed.



Current "Prestige Classes".

Cantabriaire Knight:
Auyuelcliad. Uses Priest, Fighter and Medic skills.


"Skill" ideas. (AKA Necrobump)


I think melee skills should take some version of MP. Perhaps Stamina or Adrenaline. No idea what "Knowledge" should use.


Beserker Rage: You become awash with adrenaline and get to strike one extra time. If you strike twice, you get 3 chances next time. If you strike once, you get 2 chances again. Faiiling to strike means you go back to one chance. Keeps on going until you miss every time.

Parry: The next time a foe attempts to hit, he needs +x on the die to hit.

Riposte: If you parry, you get the oppurtunity to strike at the opponent.

Bloodletting: If your next strike hits, you cut your foe and he starts to bleed. He loses focus (higher dice roll to hit) and Stamina/adrenaline.

Sneak: If you are in a shaded area, you are practically invisible. May be detected by Animals, certain races or machines.

Assassinate: While stealthed, you attack and do extra damage/instant kill. Fairly generic.

Steal: Steal an item. Duh.

Sniper's Focus: You have a higher chance of causing a critical hit.

Quick Draw: You have two chances to hit.

Heal: Heal target ally.

Diagnosis: Discover if an ally has an ailment/what it is.

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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2006, 12:47:39 pm »
I suggest condensing most of the classes down into a few, maybe 5 or 6, and using a skill system not unlike the feats in DnD. Then again, I still don't know that much about what Bonemouse was thinking.

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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2006, 01:08:30 pm »
I suggest condensing most of the classes down into a few, maybe 5 or 6, and using a skill system not unlike the feats in DnD. Then again, I still don't know that much about what Bonemouse was thinking.
I decided to specialise. If not many people like specialisation....Maybe we should lose a few and have:

Fighter, Rogue, Soldier, Medic, Scientist, Engineer.

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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2006, 08:29:11 pm »
I am DEFINITLY interested in this.  I'm back writing the swiftick history and I'd love to play a part in this in any way.  I can develop any useful programs that can help things out (create random lists, random whatever) or to store information.
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2006, 09:17:46 pm »
Me too!  :)
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2006, 01:43:04 am »
I am DEFINITLY interested in this.  I'm back writing the swiftick history and I'd love to play a part in this in any way.  I can develop any useful programs that can help things out (create random lists, random whatever) or to store information.

Very usefull Mason,thanks.


Gunner, Mason welcome to the team. We need to sort out the classes, then let Daxx get to work balancing them, afterwards Mason will construct the nessacary programs. I will think up soem basic campaigns and enemies. Everyone else can put in thier help where ever nessacary.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2006, 01:58:51 am »
Gunner, Mason welcome to the team. We need to sort out the classes, then let Daxx get to work balancing them, afterwards Mason will construct the nessacary programs. I will think up soem basic campaigns and enemies. Everyone else can put in thier help where ever nessacary.

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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2006, 02:55:55 am »
Gunner, Mason welcome to the team. We need to sort out the classes, then let Daxx get to work balancing them, afterwards Mason will construct the nessacary programs. I will think up soem basic campaigns and enemies. Everyone else can put in thier help where ever nessacary.

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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2006, 04:07:10 am »
So are we going to use a D20 system that would fit around the other D20 games?

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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2006, 04:23:12 am »
So are we going to use a D20 system that would fit around the other D20 games?
I believe so. It seems best.
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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2006, 04:26:09 am »
I will help with what i can though i think we need to replace d20's magic with more technological means. I have not played d20 modern but of know of it.

I was also thinking rahter than by species we should make it by part. For instance diffrent feet would give diffrent speeds, or diffrent claws give diffrent dammages, etc. Do it like Spore would.

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2006, 04:27:58 am »
I was also thinking rahter than by species we should make it by part. For instance diffrent feet would give diffrent speeds, or diffrent claws give diffrent dammages, etc. Do it like Spore would.

Interesting. I reallly like that idea, but it raises serious issues with game balance. No doubt I'd be able to develop a system to work that concept, however I couldn't promise it was balanced unless we undertook serious playtesting.

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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2006, 04:32:23 am »
I was also thinking rahter than by species we should make it by part. For instance diffrent feet would give diffrent speeds, or diffrent claws give diffrent dammages, etc. Do it like Spore would.

Interesting. I reallly like that idea, but it raises serious issues with game balance. No doubt I'd be able to develop a system to work that concept, however I couldn't promise it was balanced unless we undertook serious playtesting.

Just have them worth DNA points like they will have in spore. :D Then have a limit to how many DNA points you can buy.

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2006, 04:37:25 am »
I was also thinking rahter than by species we should make it by part. For instance diffrent feet would give diffrent speeds, or diffrent claws give diffrent dammages, etc. Do it like Spore would.

Interesting. I reallly like that idea, but it raises serious issues with game balance. No doubt I'd be able to develop a system to work that concept, however I couldn't promise it was balanced unless we undertook serious playtesting.

Just have them worth DNA points like they will have in spore. :D Then have a limit to how many DNA points you can buy.

That's obvious. What's difficult is assigning useful values to various parts, and yet allowing players to create any number of different useful combinations.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2006, 04:49:53 am »
I guess then all you can do is try and test it. Make some parts give them values and test them. See if they are too powerful or too weak. I am sure people will find the flaws in them. People tend to look for loop holes and stuff anywho.

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« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2006, 04:56:34 am »
I've had an idea which may be very very useful.

So we make this in two seperate parts. We first design the game system (how tech and classes and the like work), and have that as one project. We include fanfic races in this. We secondly design a system which allows you to create your own creatures, and this is a second and seperate project. However, each of the created fanfic races must fit seamlessly into this system (as a nod to game balance), meaning that we must design these two projects concurrently.

What do people think of this? If (and I'm not thinking it will happen yet, but we need to make allowances for these things) this goes commercial, we would certainly want to release these as seperate but linked products (the reasoning being twofold - an expansion pack makes more money; and those familiar with the game then buy and use the creature creation system once they're used to the game system, allowing newbies access to the game without making it overcomplicated to learn).

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2006, 05:08:46 am »
I've had an idea which may be very very useful.

So we make this in two seperate parts. We first design the game system (how tech and classes and the like work), and have that as one project. We include fanfic races in this. We secondly design a system which allows you to create your own creatures, and this is a second and seperate project. However, each of the created fanfic races must fit seamlessly into this system (as a nod to game balance), meaning that we must design these two projects concurrently.

What do people think of this? If (and I'm not thinking it will happen yet, but we need to make allowances for these things) this goes commercial, we would certainly want to release these as seperate but linked products (the reasoning being twofold - an expansion pack makes more money; and those familiar with the game then buy and use the creature creation system once they're used to the game system, allowing newbies access to the game without making it overcomplicated to learn).
So you can use the pre-created "Template" races or create your own? Sounds awesome.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2006, 05:22:40 am »
I've had an idea which may be very very useful.

So we make this in two seperate parts. We first design the game system (how tech and classes and the like work), and have that as one project. We include fanfic races in this. We secondly design a system which allows you to create your own creatures, and this is a second and seperate project. However, each of the created fanfic races must fit seamlessly into this system (as a nod to game balance), meaning that we must design these two projects concurrently.

What do people think of this? If (and I'm not thinking it will happen yet, but we need to make allowances for these things) this goes commercial, we would certainly want to release these as seperate but linked products (the reasoning being twofold - an expansion pack makes more money; and those familiar with the game then buy and use the creature creation system once they're used to the game system, allowing newbies access to the game without making it overcomplicated to learn).
So you can use the pre-created "Template" races or create your own? Sounds awesome.

Sounds like a good plan. Also we shpuld reverse test existing fan fic creatures to see if their parts are really balanced or not.

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« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2006, 05:45:27 am »
Sounds like a good plan. Also we shpuld reverse test existing fan fic creatures to see if their parts are really balanced or not.

Yeah, that's what I meant. That would be why you'd need to develop the creature creation system alongside the development of the fanfic creatures.

Our first look should really be at the mechanics of the game. I'll do some reading on D20 modern and futuristic stuff to see how we can integrate technology into the game as seamlessly as possible. If anyone has suggestions, don't hesistate to throw them in here.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2006, 06:37:22 am »
The most impotent thing when we think about species is that we never assume that all species are equal. DnD have a several solutions to this. If anyone gen get there hand on Savage species it shows how different creature can be play in the same campaign even if there very unbalanced. The Draconomicon could also give a few hints how to build a system to asymmetric power as it show how to play dragons which are of course a lot more powerfull then most monsters.

That is not to say that a point by system is bad. No it can be a good tool even with Asymmetric races. a race with 10 point could be consider lowpower wile a race with 100 points high power. Therefore these races would get different ECL. Again more info on this can be found in Savage species. The point by system can form a base on how to add character races.
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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2006, 06:42:35 am »
Very good point.

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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2006, 06:47:49 am »
I've had an idea which may be very very useful.

So we make this in two seperate parts. We first design the game system (how tech and classes and the like work), and have that as one project. We include fanfic races in this. We secondly design a system which allows you to create your own creatures, and this is a second and seperate project. However, each of the created fanfic races must fit seamlessly into this system (as a nod to game balance), meaning that we must design these two projects concurrently.

What do people think of this? If (and I'm not thinking it will happen yet, but we need to make allowances for these things) this goes commercial, we would certainly want to release these as seperate but linked products (the reasoning being twofold - an expansion pack makes more money; and those familiar with the game then buy and use the creature creation system once they're used to the game system, allowing newbies access to the game without making it overcomplicated to learn).
So you can use the pre-created "Template" races or create your own? Sounds awesome.

Sounds like a good plan. Also we shpuld reverse test existing fan fic creatures to see if their parts are really balanced or not.

The fact is that it would be be impossible to break each fanfic creature down into parts and have those parts equal anywhere near the same thing.

So here is the situation:

Lets take for example my swiftick, while obviously not the most powerful creature they have one of the most part full bodies around (at least on these lists).  If you were to break this down into parts (as I'm assuming you are doing), and give each part some specified value.  I imagine my value would end up higher then the Torpal for example, and DEFINITLY it would end up higher then the ViS, but I didn't intend (nor should it be so) that my creature would be more powerful then either of these.

So my suggestion:

Go through as many creatures as possible (regardless of their interest in the game).  I offer the list of concept creature images and of course in game creature images for this job. Deconstruct them and give their body parts value (this doesn't need to be TOO precise), if they are close, match the parts (like the Torpal and Swiftick tail for example) so there are less overall parts (there will be A LOT).  When you have deconstructed as many ideas as possible then the game can begin.  Have sign ups, and as each person signs up, have them find the parts that create their creature and list them along with the statistics of those parts (perhaps I can make a program to browse these?).  Inevitably all creatures created through this system and all creatures created prior to this system will have very very varied point values.  These point values should be used for something "invisible".  There are many RPG traits for invisible features, and I think this is the best route.  Since having a DEF stat that people can add invisible points to will end up with possible a ViS which is actually a defensive beast and that's not only stupid, but against the point of the game.  Have the parts reflect some stats (HP, STR, DEF, DEX/AGL/SPD, Accuracy (for shooting weapons?), and other things), and have the extra points add to invisible stats (INT, Resistance (to tech-age magical stuff, like making resistance against viruses?), and there will need to be plenty of other things, perhaps abilities and skills?).  People won't spend their points immediatly, but when every race has joined, then the creature with the highest # of part points is found, and the cap for total points is set somewhere higher then that (maybe 150%, but that's a game balance issue).  Each creatures part points + total points must equal no more then the cap.  If the effects of statistics (and abilities and skills) can be balanced well enough, this would allow completly unbalanced creature types to play the game together.  I believe balancing stats, abilities and skills would be much easier then balancing creatures.

Of course each creature can pick their class, and if you can't balance them, just have some of them cost more invisible points.

And Yokto posted while I was posting, but his idea sounds solid as well.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2006, 06:52:57 am »
Obviously that's why point values would be assigned carefully, or that there would be some system whereby a part doesn't give you a certain stat but a combination of parts do (more like it would work in the real world).

Example:

Movement is governed by the locomotive limb parts themselves, the strength of those limbs, the creature's limits of nervous co-ordination and the weight of the creature.

To move fast, you would have to be light (sacrificing other parts and maybe size) and be built for running (which would cost you more points). If you wanted to be big and heavy, or couldn't afford adaptations for running, then you would have to accept slower movement.
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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2006, 06:56:08 am »
That's a good point, and perhaps invisible points can also be used for equipment? Like the ViS could spend some of the points they saved on legs to buy something that moves them around faster?  This would balance the game and give more options for people.

Your edit - Of course, and something like that could be done in a simple enough way by having parts not only give positive attributes but negative ones.

If you add massive wings to your creature, of course you're flying stat (for example) would improve, but if you are very heavy, you will lose a lot of your flying stat but gain a lot of defense.  If you choose to add strong and heavy legs you will even more lessen your flying ability.  Each part can have many pluses and many minuses as long as of course they add up to a sum total >0 lol.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2006, 06:58:35 am »
That's a good point, and perhaps invisible points can also be used for equipment? Like the ViS could spend some of the points they saved on legs to buy something that moves them around faster?  This would balance the game and give more options for people.

That would probably be something ingame, and seperate to the creature creation itself. However, in DnD races get racial benefits or feats to help balance them out - you could spend evolution points to give you those (like innate bonuses to skills or something else). Equipment might work, but I would personally use that as a last resort - it would be better in my opinion to make the creature creation system reasonably self-contained.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2006, 07:02:16 am »
That's a good point, and perhaps invisible points can also be used for equipment? Like the ViS could spend some of the points they saved on legs to buy something that moves them around faster?  This would balance the game and give more options for people.

That would probably be something ingame, and seperate to the creature creation itself. However, in DnD races get racial benefits or feats to help balance them out - you could spend evolution points to give you those (like innate bonuses to skills or something else). Equipment might work, but I would personally use that as a last resort - it would be better in my opinion to make the creature creation system reasonably self-contained.

True, but those coming out of it with exta points could be given corresponding $$ to buy goods.  But I would also prefer innate bonuses and skills and feats and all that first.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2006, 07:16:05 am »
So, we're going to need to examine what we want a creature's statistics to be and how they could be derived from the creature.

Let's look at standard D20 stats:

STR
DEX
CON
INT
WIS
CHA
HP
Movement Type/Speed
Size Class
Height
Weight
Fort. Save
Ref. Save
Will Save
Natural Armour
Initiative modifier
Fear/Terror/Madness check
Grapple check
Load (weight carried)

Now these stats are mostly interlinked, but various parts or body builds could theoretically influence them in different ways.

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« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2006, 12:38:46 pm »
I've never actually participated in a D20 game, and while I'm very much into RPGs and have made some myself, I'm still a little lost on what some of those stats mean, could you give an explanation or link to an explanation of what they mean?
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2006, 02:47:16 pm »
So, we're going to need to examine what we want a creature's statistics to be and how they could be derived from the creature.

Let's look at standard D20 stats:

STR
DEX
CON
INT
WIS
CHA
HP
Movement Type/Speed
Size Class
Height
Weight
Fort. Save
Ref. Save
Will Save
Natural Armour
Initiative modifier
Fear/Terror/Madness check
Grapple check
Load (weight carried)

Now these stats are mostly interlinked, but various parts or body builds could theoretically influence them in different ways.

I also think there would be basic physical action skills that creatures would have even if they were not sentient/sapient yet...

o Balance
o Climb
o Dig
o Fly/Glide
o Hide
o Jump
o Listen
o Move Silentliy
o Scent (Smell)
o Spot
o Swim
o Tumble

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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2006, 08:01:44 pm »
How is this? I can change or add stuff if you guys think this is off. Though i insist on the +2 to both wis and int, even if it changed the ECL.

Naucean

o +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, -2 Strength: Nauceans are both smart and wise creatures but they are not to strong.

o Large-size(long): Reach 5 ft, face 5ft x 10 ft (-1 AC size modifier)

o +2 Use Electronics, +2 Knowledge (Nanotechnology) Nauceans are good with advanced technology.

o Nauceans are made like a fast raptor but have the "floots" of an amphibious creature Thus they only have a speed of 30 ft.

o Infrared Vision: Nauceans have 2 sets of eyes. The larger pair see as humans do but the smaller pair see in infrared. Thus Nauceans can see the heat of creatures in the dark.

o Base swimming speed of 60 ft. They do not need to make a swim check to swim normally. They gain a +8 racial bonus on any Swim Check when performing a special action or to avoid hazard and they can take 10 on these even if rushed or threatened when swimming. They can use run action while swimming. They can run while swimming, provided they swim in a straight line. Naucean can hold their breath underwater for 15 mins.

o Attack: 1d6 Slam with tail flukes.

o Automatic Languages: Common and Naucean

o Favored Class: Scientist
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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2006, 09:24:36 pm »
How is this? I can change or add stuff if you guys think this is off. Though i insist on the +2 to both wis and int, even if it changed the ECL.

Naucean

o +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, -2 Strength: Nauceans are both smart and wise creatures but they are not to strong.

o Large-size(long): Reach 5 ft, face 5ft x 10 ft (-1 AC size modifier)

o +2 Use Electronics, +2 Knowledge (Nanotechnology) Nauceans are good with advanced technology.

o Nauceans are made like a fast raptor but have the "floots" of an amphibious creature Thus they only have a speed of 30 ft.

o Infrared Vision: Nauceans have 2 sets of eyes. The larger pair see as humans do but the smaller pair see in infrared. Thus Nauceans can see the heat of creatures in the dark.

o Base swimming speed of 60 ft. They do not need to make a swim check to swim normally. They gain a +8 racial bonus on any Swim Check when performing a special action or to avoid hazard and they can take 10 on these even if rushed or threatened when swimming. They can use run action while swimming. They can run while swimming, provided they swim in a straight line. Naucean can hold their breath underwater for 15 mins.

o Automatic Languages: Common and Naucean

o Favored Class: Scientist

That is cool...where do you learn all that stuff, is their an explanation of all that.  I'll most definitly make a writeup of the swifticks if I could understand all that better.
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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2006, 10:05:43 pm »
Mason11987 i basiclly took a look at the D&D books and compared it to what i know about the Naucean. Then wrote it up in the same style as they would a playable class such and an elf or dwarf.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2006, 12:37:16 am »
Torpal

o +2 Strength, -2 Intelligence, -2 Charisma : Torpals are not so smart or pretty but they sure are strong!

o Large-size(tall): Reach 10 ft, face 10ft x 10 ft (-1 AC size modifier)

o +2 Jump, +2 Tumble: Torpals are agile and athletic.

o +4 Natural Armor: Torpals have thick skins.

o +2 moral bonus on saving throws against fear: Torpals are fearless warriors.

o 40ft / climb 40 ft:Torpals are fast for their size and can climb just as well.

o Normal Vision: Normals can see just as well as humans with their 4 red eyes.

o Damage: Claws 1d4, Bite 1d8

o Multidexterity: Can use weapons as normal in any of the 4 arms.

o Zesh's Rage: A torpal that hits with all 4 claws attacks latches onto the opponents body and tears its flesh. This attack automatically deals an additional 2d4 points of damage when unarmed once per day.

o Automatic Languages: Common and Torpal

o Favored Class: Berserker
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2006, 02:19:44 am »
okay i was talking to hydro, and i did some stuff for this with torpalian weapons. i didn't fill in everything, but i hope it's a start :)

Weapon        Type1         Dmg(L)    Weight   Type2[/u]
Quarterstaff    2 handed   1d8/1d8      8 lb       bludgeoning
Wrist-blades   light          1d6             4 lb       slashing
Short-sword   light          1d8             6 lb       piercing
Long sword    1 handed   1d10           10 lb      slashing
Ripper spear   2 handed   1d10          12 lb      piercing
Bladed shield  light          1d6            special    piercing


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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2006, 03:07:58 am »
Nice work Hydro, but you have to remember we're trying to tie this into the creature creation system. I'll do some work on trying to sort out those two races into a framework, then see what I can work out. No need to do any more, because we're inevitably going to have to alter them later.

Opera, other than suggesting that the longsword should be slashing damage, I think you've got it pretty much right. We can assign costs to them later.

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« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2006, 03:38:35 am »
Opera, other than suggesting that the longsword should be slashing damage, I think you've got it pretty much right. We can assign costs to them later.

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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2006, 03:38:51 am »
Base Body Size (blob)

Tiny
Example Race: Omic
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 1ft - 2ft
Weight: 1lb - 8lb

Small
Example Race: Icthian
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 2ft - 4ft
Weight: 8lb - 60lb

Medium
Example Race: Human
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space:TBD
Height/Length: 4ft - 8ft
Weight: 60lb - 500lb

Large
Example Race: Torpal
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 8ft - 16ft
Weight: 500lb - 2 tons

All other modifiers and penalities are applied to size. See:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLittleCreaturesInCombat

We have no creatures outside these size classes so far, and I don't see any need to include them. (Sssh, yes, I know the Omic is technically diminutive, but let's just pretend for the sake of simplicity?)
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« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2006, 04:28:56 am »
Nice work Hydro, but you have to remember we're trying to tie this into the creature creation system. I'll do some work on trying to sort out those two races into a framework, then see what I can work out. No need to do any more, because we're inevitably going to have to alter them later.

Opera, other than suggesting that the longsword should be slashing damage, I think you've got it pretty much right. We can assign costs to them later.

I was going to try to have the Naucean, Torpal, ViS and Kazea as the 4 basics to test out. They each are diffrent enough and not too over powered. I know we will have to chnaged them based on parts but i was basing this more on existing creatures in D&D. Naucean were based largly on ocean sprit folk and porpoise, while the Torpal was based on the half orc and girallon. I figured it was a good start.

I am not sure what i will do with my naucean anao suit it will have to be like an epic level magic armor or somthing.

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« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2006, 04:37:30 am »
Base Body Size (blob)

Tiny
Example Race: Omic
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 1ft - 2ft
Weight: 1lb - 8lb

Small
Example Race: Icthian
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 2ft - 4ft
Weight: 8lb - 60lb

Medium
Example Race: Human
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space:TBD
Height/Length: 4ft - 8ft
Weight: 60lb - 500lb

Large
Example Race: Torpal
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 8ft - 16ft
Weight: 500lb - 2 tons


What about Huge - Gigan or something similiar?
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« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2006, 04:42:35 am »
Base Body Size (blob)

Tiny
Example Race: Omic
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 1ft - 2ft
Weight: 1lb - 8lb

Small
Example Race: Icthian
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 2ft - 4ft
Weight: 8lb - 60lb

Medium
Example Race: Human
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space:TBD
Height/Length: 4ft - 8ft
Weight: 60lb - 500lb

Large
Example Race: Torpal
Evo Cost: TBD
Body Space: TBD
Height/Length: 8ft - 16ft
Weight: 500lb - 2 tons

All other modifiers and penalities are applied to size. See:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLittleCreaturesInCombat

We have no creatures outside these size classes so far, and I don't see any need to include them. (Sssh, yes, I know the Omic is technically diminutive, but let's just pretend for the sake of simplicity?)

Don't forget there are 2 kinds of large. You have large (long) like a naucean who are the height of a human but are too long to becalled medium. And then ones that are large (tall) like the torpal that are just taller than humans.

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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2006, 04:50:52 am »
What about Huge - Gigan or something similiar?

Check the link always. There is also +Colossal ++Colossal and so on but these sizes are often not used.
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« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2006, 04:56:49 am »
What about Huge - Gigan or something similiar?

Check the link always. There is also +Colossal ++Colossal and so on but these sizes are often not used.

Huge i think would be the max because thats like elepehant size and will wright said creatures would be between a mouse and an elephant.

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« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2006, 05:09:09 am »
I prefer Hydro's system to the categorising of parts. I'll attempt an Auyuelcliad.

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+2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, -1 Charisma -1 Intelligence: Auyuelcliads are hardy and spritual. There arrogance and blind belief lower their Charisma/Intelligence.

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+2 Meditation, +1 Unarmed Combat. All Auyuelcliads receive basic defence training. They are gifted at meditation.

+2 Natural Armour. (Thick skins)

+1 To Staff or similar weopons

Fear of water.

May only ingest water in vapour form. (Boiling Bowl)

Resists Heat: Extremly High Tempretures have little effect.

20ft,20ft Auyuelcliads are slow.

Good vision, superior to Humans.

See in dark 15ft.

Damage: Punches 1d6.

Mantra of The Unspoken: Charcter and all nearby (in hearing distance) Priest, Dhulam and Auyuelcliads resist pain, temprature and fear better.

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« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2006, 05:26:46 am »
What about Huge - Gigan or something similiar?

Since you didn't read.

All other modifiers and penalities are applied to size. See:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLittleCreaturesInCombat

We have no creatures outside these size classes so far, and I don't see any need to include them. (Sssh, yes, I know the Omic is technically diminutive, but let's just pretend for the sake of simplicity?)

And Hydro, yes, I know. There doesn't seem to be much point differentiating them until later, because I can't see them affecting those things I wrote.
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« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2006, 11:52:38 pm »
So how are you going to do the parts? Like whats a human eye or hand or foot cost?

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« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2006, 05:19:34 am »
So how are you going to do the parts? Like whats a human eye or hand or foot cost?

Parts are interesting, because they aren't necessarily all that important - basically you'll be buying points for the dexterity of the grasper in the case of hand parts. For example, buying a human hand might cost, say, 5 points, where a hand with two opposable thumbs might be 6 points, a tentacle 4 points and pincers 3. Or something like that. Of course, having better graspers gives you better DEX and affects other things, whilst having more than one further increases DEX further.

A foot might not make so much difference - various types of foot would likely be very similar. Maybe hooves or cetae would be less/more expensive, but overall their ability to affect stats would be diminished. Running, for example, would be more a function of musculature, body plan, and weight - with some influence from the type of foot.

Eyes are more obviously parts you can buy. Those would give you certain types of vision, and would cost accordingly. Buying more eyes might give you bonuses like binocular, trinocular, quadronocular vision etc.

I was thinking that you'll more than likely spend lots of evo points on body plans rather than specific parts. Those body plans would then allow you to spend more points on certain types of stat depending on the body plan. For example, something like the Torpal which is geared up for overall muscular strength especially in the upper body, might not be able to run as fast as something designed for running, but would have much better muscular strength; and something that's smaller and more streamlined might be able to swim faster than a Naucean because it has a different body plan which is adapted to swimming - the Naucean, being a generalist, would still be able to swim but maybe not as fast as a race designed purely for swimming, but would still get to walk around on land.
Cool stuff like spitting poison or huge claws might cost you a fair few points as well.

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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2006, 07:28:34 am »
But remember is very important  i think we just use the Evo point system as a guideline. We must after the creature is made also look at the creature is self to determan any synergistic effects. A creature can be more (or less) then the sum of is parts.
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« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2006, 07:59:43 am »
Ok, heres my attempt at a ViS using the Hydro system.

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+4 Intelligence, , -2 Charisma, -2 Constitution, -2 strength : Theyre feeble slugs with no personalities and gigantic brains
Small Size

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Monochromatic vision: ViS can not percieve colours

+2 Knowledge (Bioscience), +2 knowledge (matter/energy systems), -3 knowledge (medicine)

Immune to fear, +2 to resist insanity effects

20ft: ViS move slowly

Damage: No unarmed attack

Simple physiology: ViS receive more hit-points from healing and are resistant to disease

Total recall: No penalty to remembering codes, patterns etc etc

Languages: Common, ViS, Basic (a sort of common for computers and machines perhaps?)

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« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2006, 09:16:06 am »
But remember is very important  i think we just use the Evo point system as a guideline. We must after the creature is made also look at the creature is self to determan any synergistic effects. A creature can be more (or less) then the sum of is parts.

That's true. But if everyone and his dog keeps posting their stats before we've worked out how this could work, we're not going to be able to fit this all in to one system.

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« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2006, 11:50:44 am »

Favoured Class: Priest/Fighter


This bothered me seeing a priest / fighter. So in the place of say a trational paladin how about a "Holy Warrior" or "Fanatic".

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« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2006, 11:54:17 am »

Favoured Class: Priest/Fighter


This bothered me seeing a priest / fighter. So in the place of say a trational paladin how about a "Holy Warrior" or "Fanatic".

Or a Cantabriaire Knight, which may be the Auyuelcliadic Prestige class if such things are allowed...
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« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2006, 11:56:30 am »
But know that if it is a PrC then you do not have it as prefers class. PrC do not count as multiclassing
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« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2006, 01:58:11 pm »
I was wondering about the class system. I was thinking it might be more useful to have general archetypes which themselves have general skillsets. Skills from other archetypes could still be purchased, but would cost more skill points.

General archetypes and some suggested subtypes:

Warrior
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   Hitman
Scientist
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   Roboticist
   Engineer
   Doctor
Civilian
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   Businessman
   Pilot
   Colonist

Obviously there would be many more subtypes, and there would be a myriad of skills and the like. Suggestions would be useful.

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« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2006, 03:46:48 pm »
Mason11987 i basiclly took a look at the D&D books and compared it to what i know about the Naucean. Then wrote it up in the same style as they would a playable class such and an elf or dwarf.

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« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2006, 03:54:06 pm »
I think engineer and roboticist cover the same ground... I think they should be combined into one. Researcher is fine... although I think something like Xenologist might be a catchier name (I'm assuming that would be the class which is good at deciphering dead languages and operating ancient technologies). I assume the Doctor wouldnt be a pure healer, but would also have abilities like unleashing diseases or commanding mutant creatures or some such...
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« Reply #75 on: August 14, 2006, 03:59:10 pm »
I think engineer and roboticist cover the same ground... I think they should be combined into one. Researcher is fine... although I think something like Xenologist might be a catchier name (I'm assuming that would be the class which is good at deciphering dead languages and operating ancient technologies). I assume the Doctor wouldnt be a pure healer, but would also have abilities like unleashing diseases or commanding mutant creatures or some such...

Well yeah, those are all good suggestions. We could have a Xenologist as well as a researcher, that would be good. The doctor could have all sorts of neat skills (unless we want to split it off into two subtypes). We can have any number of subtypes as long as we have the skills for them.

Now what I was thinking was - each skill costs a certain number of points. You gain points at each level. If the skill is in your subtype, then you get it one point cheaper. If it's in your archetype, you get it at normal price. If it's outside your archetype, you have to pay one point more. Improving skills is done by buying the same skill a second or third time (or more). Sound good to people? It changes the D20 skill system slightly, but it'd work quite well I think. That way, no-one is denied skills but improving skills is more difficult outside your archetype.

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« Reply #76 on: August 15, 2006, 12:09:07 am »
Perhaps scientists could work like clerics in that they can choose their "domians" In short a scientist could choose say both Engineer and Roboticist or pick Geneticist and Xenologist.

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« Reply #77 on: August 15, 2006, 12:48:14 am »
I think engineer and roboticist cover the same ground... I think they should be combined into one. Researcher is fine... although I think something like Xenologist might be a catchier name (I'm assuming that would be the class which is good at deciphering dead languages and operating ancient technologies). I assume the Doctor wouldnt be a pure healer, but would also have abilities like unleashing diseases or commanding mutant creatures or some such...

Well yeah, those are all good suggestions. We could have a Xenologist as well as a researcher, that would be good. The doctor could have all sorts of neat skills (unless we want to split it off into two subtypes). We can have any number of subtypes as long as we have the skills for them.

Now what I was thinking was - each skill costs a certain number of points. You gain points at each level. If the skill is in your subtype, then you get it one point cheaper. If it's in your archetype, you get it at normal price. If it's outside your archetype, you have to pay one point more. Improving skills is done by buying the same skill a second or third time (or more). Sound good to people? It changes the D20 skill system slightly, but it'd work quite well I think. That way, no-one is denied skills but improving skills is more difficult outside your archetype.

I like that system. Easy to customise, and alot of choice.

I'm also a fan of Hydro's domain system.
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« Reply #78 on: August 15, 2006, 03:54:01 am »
Perhaps scientists could work like clerics in that they can choose their "domians" In short a scientist could choose say both Engineer and Roboticist or pick Geneticist and Xenologist.

Yeah, that's the plan. Since you pick your subtype, that's your "domain", and your skills from your "domain" are cheaper.

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Re: Fanfic PnP?
« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2006, 04:01:38 am »
Here are some more domain examples ...

Example Domains
Astronomy
Biology
Chemestry
Medicine
Physics
Robotics

Examples of Scientist Types
Astronomy + Biology = Xenobiology
Astronomy + Robotics = Unmanned Space Exploration
Astronomy + Physics = Astrophysicist
Biology + Chemestry = Biochemistry
Biology + Medicine = Anatomy
Biology + Robotics = Bionics or Nanotechnology
Chemestry + Medicine = Pharmacist

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« Reply #80 on: August 15, 2006, 05:27:18 am »
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Here are some more domain examples ...

Example Domains
Astronomy
Biology
Chemestry
Medicine
Physics
Robotics

Examples of Scientist Types
Astronomy + Biology = Xenobiology
Astronomy + Robotics = Unmanned Space Exploration
Astronomy + Physics = Astrophysicist
Biology + Chemestry = Biochemistry
Biology + Medicine = Anatomy
Biology + Robotics = Bionics or Nanotechnology
Chemestry + Medicine = Pharmacist

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« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2006, 05:41:45 am »
Arcanum uses a smiler idea when i come and think about it. First you have your regular Domains then you can use blueprints that combined the diffrent Domains.


It would also be interesting to see how Fallout 3 (Van Buren) Science system worked. Maybe i will try to find the design docs that i believe are on the internet.
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« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2006, 11:33:28 am »
I think another cool idea would be 'factions". Various factions could hire you, and it you completed thier task, your standing with them would increase, and your standing with other factions would change, aswell.

They could have varying degrees of power and influence, and hire you to do differing things.

EG The Black Diamond Gang, The League of Alternate Justices, The Auyuelcliad Empire, The O.T.H.E.R alliance......

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« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2006, 02:19:10 pm »
This is a pen and paper game, not a computer game. Outlining factions is something that the GM should do, or that should be left to expansions describing the world. We are only creating the game system.

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« Reply #85 on: September 01, 2006, 02:23:22 pm »
Well in like D&D "Oriental Adventures" they had diffrent clans. However i agree that this should probbly be up to the DM.