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Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« on: July 24, 2006, 03:23:19 pm »
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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2006, 03:31:16 pm »
See, the thing is, if I believe that, I might have to buy the PS3 and that's not a good thing.
Please, let's just say it was pre-rendered by no fewer than three Cray supercomputers.
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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2006, 03:47:10 pm »
Impressive!

However I will still only buy a PlayStation 3 if they remake Final Fantasy VII.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2006, 03:58:08 pm »
Impressive!

However I will still only buy a PlayStation 3 if they remake Final Fantasy VII.
Didn't you hear?  They will.
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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 04:01:08 pm »
No they have not confirmed it.


If it had been confirmed I would be in line for a PS3 right now.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2006, 04:02:46 pm »
*looks it up*

*Patman's right*

*curses EGM*
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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2006, 04:05:24 pm »
No! Never trust EGM!


They ALWAYS lie!

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2006, 04:20:22 pm »
Just knock the price down a few hundred and you've got masses of people lining up to buy it!

Though in all honesty the PS3 isn't meant to be an expensive gaming machine so much as a cheap blu-ray player.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2006, 04:27:06 pm »
Remember the good old days when you could go down to your local blockbuster and rent a counsel?

yeah, I miss that  :(

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2006, 05:34:54 pm »
Nope, still will never buy one. Good graphics do not a good game make. And I still don't buy that as real ingame footage. Who knows what kind of machine they're running that on, and how much they'll have to scale it back for the actual console. If I wanted to spend $600 on something because the graphics are nice, I'd buy a better video card and more RAM for my computer and play Crysis when it comes out.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2006, 07:33:29 pm »
Nope, still will never buy one. Good graphics do not a good game make.

WE realize that. But I'll be damned if the public knows any better.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2006, 07:37:58 pm »
I will do whatever I have to to play a remake of FFVII.

Even if it means buying a PS3 and only using it for FFVII.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2006, 08:48:20 pm »
Nope, still will never buy one. Good graphics do not a good game make.

WE realize that. But I'll be damned if the public knows any better.

I know. :-( I hate that. Buncha noobs, the public.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2006, 08:51:35 pm »
I think 'the public' might have issues with a $600 price tag, but that's just a guess. Also, didn't Konami say that it was running in realtime back during E3? I thought that was generally understood.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2006, 09:33:11 pm »
I think 'the public' might have issues with a $600 price tag, but that's just a guess. Also, didn't Konami say that it was running in realtime back during E3? I thought that was generally understood.

No way, this is news.  It is not as if Kojima and Konami have a history of releasing trailers of MGS using the game's story segments, all of which use the game's engine.  All of the trailers for MGS4 are completely pre-rendered, unlike Killzone 2 - which is realtime GAMEPLAY, proving that the PS3 is twice as powerful as the 360. Considering that the best the 360 can muster is Gears of War, I think that much is obvious.

On the other hand, I was a big fan of the original MGS (what was that, eight or nine years ago?).  I played through MGS2, although halfway through I was really just playing to see if the story's loose ends would connect; instead I waded through a tangled mess.  I waited forever for MGS3 to come to Xbox since Substance did, to no avail.  After Subsistence released on PS2 I decided to get it, hoping that the new camera would improve the gameplay to match Splinter Cell's ... but the control scheme hasn't changed since MGS on the original PS, so I abandoned the game after a few hours.

So yeah, MGS4's pre-rendered realtime cutscenes will look great; and they will be unnecessarily long-winded and convoluted.  Yay.  Another great example of PS3's realtime prowess would be FFXIII (that's the right number, I think... talk about milking a franchise).

Would anyone else prefer to watch movies instead?

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2006, 11:03:35 am »
You actually believe that killzone trailer is realtime gameplay footage?  Wow.. That was disproved a long time ago.  I certainly believe that it is what they are stiving for, but I know that they had an animation facility working overtime producing that trailer before E3 2005.  Hell, the ps3 hardware wasn't even finished when they produced that clip.

I have no comment on MGS4.  I have seen some of the realtime demos, and they look fantastic.  But again, who knows what they were running it on.  I don't believe anything I see from Sony at the moment.  I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual product with my own eyes.

Bring on the Wii.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2006, 11:25:19 am »
You're not seeing it from Sony.  It's from Konami.  They tell the truth about everything except the main character of thier games.
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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2006, 12:27:00 am »
I don't think there was ever any real doubt that MGS4 was running in real time.  The game looked good, but in my opinion, it's no where near the level of Gears of War, or Mass Effect.  And as someone else said, after MGS2, I really don't care much about the story.  MGS3 was brilliant, one of my favourite games last gen, but I really don't care to see them going back to the MGS2 style.  Has Big Bosses foot been transplanted on to anyone yet?  Or are they going to bring him back as a zombie?   ::)

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2006, 12:33:44 am »
The problem is, we're all hardcore gamers. We know our ****. But the average public, mommies buying games for their kids, just don't know how bad its all gotten. We need to stop complaining and really DO something about crap like 600$ consoles and false advertising. And by "we" I mean all of you, cause I'm one of those lazy gamers. Go forth my minions! Good luck!

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2006, 01:59:10 am »
good graphics dont make a game, but all the mgs games have had good graphics and great gameplay so no need to nag about
that. i will deffinatly be buying the ps3 this year, theres great games coming! what about that one
game showed at e3 this year i think it was called 7 days. i'm not sure if it was realtime but if it was holy ****!
also what about I8(fall of man?) that game looks great!


as for killzone 2, that wasnt realtime, what person would want to play that game if the camera really moved like that.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2006, 03:45:27 am »
good graphics dont make a game, but all the mgs games have had good graphics and great gameplay so no need to nag about
that. i will deffinatly be buying the ps3 this year, theres great games coming! what about that one
game showed at e3 this year i think it was called 7 days. i'm not sure if it was realtime but if it was holy ****!
also what about I8(fall of man?) that game looks great!


as for killzone 2, that wasnt realtime, what person would want to play that game if the camera really moved like that.


The Metal Gear Solid games barley had any gameplay at all, let alone good gameplay.  The second game especially barley had an hours worth of actual playing, the other few hours were cut-scenes.  Also, you'll be lucky if the game is out this time next year.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2006, 09:46:59 am »
Also, trailers are horribly misleading...

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2006, 09:50:41 am »
Also, trailers are horribly misleading...
This definatly rings true

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2006, 09:54:02 am »
Yup.

The only thing you can say about the game if the trailer was in real time would be the quality of the visuals.

Everything else is probably only things you will see in the trailer.

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2006, 01:00:23 pm »
Well, let’s say that was real time.

I'm wondering if they are going to make the whole game the detailed?

Seams like a lot of work  :-\

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2006, 09:31:57 pm »
I'm reasonably certain the MGS 4 stuff is legit. Konami and Kojima don't have a history of being total jerk-offs, so I'm going to buy it. Sony releasing 'in-game footage'? 'Nother story. But Kojima and Co. can milk a system for all its worth, so I don't have any issue with proclaiming it indicative of what the PS3 can really do.




Mass Effect is more impressive though. ;)

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2006, 11:40:21 pm »
I agree, I think that both Mass Effect and Gears of War are more impressive, graphically, than MGS4.  If you watch the extended E3 2006 trailer of MGS4 you'll even see slowdown in some of the trailers; as in framerate drops, not cinematic slo-mo, so I'm 100% sure it is realtime footage, I just don't know what it is running on.  Also, I was BSing about the Killzone 2 trailer being realtime; that entire post was basically sarcasm...

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Re: Remember the MGS4 trailer? It was in real time!
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2006, 01:05:12 am »
Sorry I missed the sarcasm.  I went back and re-read your post and the lightbulb finally came on.  D'OH!