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Another Sony Lawsuit
« on: July 13, 2006, 05:56:29 pm »
Seriously, this one better be total nonsense. This is getting ridiculous.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6153997.html

"Sony has been having some trouble with patent disputes of late. In March 2005, Immersion Corporation won its lawsuit claiming that Sony's DualShock PlayStation and PlayStation 2 controllers infringed on its force-feedback patents. A judge ordered Sony to pay more than $90 million in damages, and earlier this year denied an attempt from the electronics giant to have the decision overturned.

Now Sony's in the middle of another patent fight, this one brought against the company by Pennsylvania-based Agere Systems. According to court documents, Agere (which has a pair of offices in Texas) has filed suit against Sony and a number of its divisions for willful infringement of eight patents in a number of its products, including the PSP, PlayStation 2, and based on announced specifications, the PlayStation 3. Sony VAIO computers, Handycams, Walkman players, Memory Stick Duos, and Location Free TV are also named as infringing offerings on some of the patents. The patents in question run from a "wireless local area network apparatus" to "barrier layer treatments for tungsten plug."

Agere is asking that each branch of Sony be made to provide an accounting of all gains made through their alleged infringements, and that the company be awarded damages to adequately compensate it based on those figures. Agere also claims that Sony knew about the patents and willfully infringed on them, so it is asking the courts to boost the damages awarded as much as three times what it would have been otherwise.

In its defense, Sony has denied all claims of infringement. It is arguing that it actually has the rights to use seven of the eight patents through a 1989 cross-licensing deal with AT&T and Lucent (whose microelectronics group eventually became Agere Systems). Sony also contends that some of the patents (including the one it doesn't claim a right to use) were not properly obtained because Agere omitted important information when it filed for them. Finally, Sony believes the patents in question are invalid anyway, and has asked the judge to declare them as such.

Agere denied Sony's counterclaims last month and has issued a demand for a jury trial."



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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 06:02:44 pm »
Man, they just can't get a break. You know, I hate them and their new console, but it's getting ridiculous. It sounds like Sony has a good case against this lawsuit. Hopefully a victory would stop a "Sue Sony" fad before it actually gets started. I mean, Sony isn't even that evil! They're just a little cocky.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 06:51:15 pm »
why do you want Sony to win, if that company has a genuine claim to those patents then they should win, and hopefully Sony will not be quite as eager to willfully ignore the law in future

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 07:31:38 pm »
why do you want Sony to win, if that company has a genuine claim to those patents then they should win, and hopefully Sony will not be quite as eager to willfully ignore the law in future

Sony has a good case. If Sony wins, it means they DON'T have a genuine claim to those patents, and they're instead just gold digging. I hope that's how it plays out. If the other company's right to those patents is legit, then by all means, they should get some cash.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 08:17:17 pm »
there gonna have to sell alot of ps3 to make up for that
150000 ps3s for the first mentioned case and alot more for the second

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2006, 09:54:42 pm »
there gonna have to sell alot of ps3 to make up for that
150000 ps3s for the first mentioned case and alot more for the second

Except that they lose money on consoles.
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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2006, 09:55:14 pm »
there gonna have to sell alot of ps3 to make up for that
150000 ps3s for the first mentioned case and alot more for the second

Except that they lose money on consoles.

well thats a pickle. :P
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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2006, 10:10:24 pm »
there gonna have to sell alot of ps3 to make up for that
150000 ps3s for the first mentioned case and alot more for the second

Except that they lose money on consoles.
would be funny if Sony was bankrupted before te PS3 was even release 8)

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2006, 03:01:02 am »
But they make most of their money from TVs and streoes and such, so that seems unlikely. Theyd just stop making consoles I guess (braces for fanboys)
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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2006, 06:38:02 am »
But they make most of their money from TVs and streoes and such, so that seems unlikely. Theyd just stop making consoles I guess (braces for fanboys)

Actually, in recent years, the gaming division is the only part of Sony that has been making money. They are financially in the red right now, which is why so many stock analysts keep going over the PS3's potential failure. The PS3 is vital to Sony's survival as a company. Make no mistake about that. If it were to fail, Sony would have to completely reorganize and sell off bits of itself, or close up shop entirely. And no, I'm not exaggerating -- the PS3 is that important to their future.

One thing that's worrisome, or should be, is that only 20% of all produced Cell chips and Blu-Ray discs actually work. Combine that with all the legal battles they'e being forced to deal with, and Sony is hemorrhaging money at the moment and likely will be for quite some time.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2006, 08:39:52 am »
Is that so? Oh well... Burn Sony Burn!!!  :D
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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2006, 10:38:21 am »
soooooo.... they sell very few consoles whitch they lose money on, then produce video games for these systems which there will not be that many consoles to buy them for..... sonys screwed.
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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2006, 01:17:15 pm »
soooooo.... they sell very few consoles whitch they lose money on, then produce video games for these systems which there will not be that many consoles to buy them for..... sonys screwed.

That's not tremendously far off. Manufacturing the Cell processor is a hugely expensive enterprise, not simply because of how few of them actually work off the line but due to its general architecture being so uniqely different in the first place. And they are a horror to produce. The dual-layer Blu-Ray discs are running at a success rate of 10% right now -- which means that 9 out of 10 are unusable. That is grossly inefficient by anyone's estimation, and it is slowing down the production process to the point where it's doubtful Sony will be able to release as many of the PS3s as was originally estimated. In short, the upcoming PS3 shortage will make the 360's availability at launch resemble the Australian rabbit population.

What's really scary about these numbers is this: If you recall Sony's track record in terms of quality hardware (especially at launch), what are the odds that some of the PS3s released on the market won't work for long or at all? Now, imagine if you recently purchased the thing and found that yours stopped working after a week or so, what would you do? Try to get it replaced, right? But when the sheer minute numbers of the console are this dwarfingly bad, it could be possible that you wouldn't get a replacement for months. How many people are going to wait that long? How many people are going to get pissed off and return the thing, taking that money and getting a 360 and Wii instead? 360s have been through their 1st generation of hardware and are more stable, consistent; Nintendo products can ordinarily survive a nuclear blast.

Overall, and I don't mean for Sony to fail (I just wanted them humbled a little), it really doesn't look good -- especially if this lawsuit turns out in Agere's favor.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2006, 06:03:37 pm »
Sony's main problem seems to be that it was so determined to have the very latest technology that they are now realising what kind of problems that brings with it.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2006, 07:15:10 pm »

 Nintendo products can ordinarily survive a nuclear blast.


 :D Thats freakin great such an awesome quote

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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2006, 08:17:54 pm »

 Nintendo products can ordinarily survive a nuclear blast.


 :D Thats freakin great such an awesome quote

im making that my sig. :P
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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2006, 10:31:41 pm »
so did i.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2006, 12:17:57 pm »
Same here.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2006, 07:13:07 pm »
soooooo.... they sell very few consoles whitch they lose money on, then produce video games for these systems which there will not be that many consoles to buy them for..... sonys screwed.

That's not tremendously far off. Manufacturing the Cell processor is a hugely expensive enterprise, not simply because of how few of them actually work off the line but due to its general architecture being so uniqely different in the first place. And they are a horror to produce. The dual-layer Blu-Ray discs are running at a success rate of 10% right now -- which means that 9 out of 10 are unusable. That is grossly inefficient by anyone's estimation, and it is slowing down the production process to the point where it's doubtful Sony will be able to release as many of the PS3s as was originally estimated. In short, the upcoming PS3 shortage will make the 360's availability at launch resemble the Australian rabbit population.

What's really scary about these numbers is this: If you recall Sony's track record in terms of quality hardware (especially at launch), what are the odds that some of the PS3s released on the market won't work for long or at all? Now, imagine if you recently purchased the thing and found that yours stopped working after a week or so, what would you do? Try to get it replaced, right? But when the sheer minute numbers of the console are this dwarfingly bad, it could be possible that you wouldn't get a replacement for months. How many people are going to wait that long? How many people are going to get pissed off and return the thing, taking that money and getting a 360 and Wii instead? 360s have been through their 1st generation of hardware and are more stable, consistent; Nintendo products can ordinarily survive a nuclear blast.

Overall, and I don't mean for Sony to fail (I just wanted them humbled a little), it really doesn't look good -- especially if this lawsuit turns out in Agere's favor.

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2006, 05:40:09 am »
PS3 - the new phantom

To be fair, the Phantom never had a chance of succeeding.  8)

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Re: Another Sony Lawsuit
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2006, 06:03:45 pm »
PS3 - the new phantom

To be fair, the Phantom never had a chance of succeeding.  8)

exactly :D

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