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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2005, 11:04:29 am »
First off, Leon the Professional is a truly amazing film, Janos.  Again, you may not agree but Natalie Portman was giving us great acting when she was hardly a teenager and it's going to take a lot to convince me otherwise.  I think that has to count for something.  Everything I have seen her in (barring the Star Warses) has impressed me.  As for Haydensen, I've heard nothing but good things about him Life as a House.  As an actor, I can say that poor acting and good directing can equal a poor film but good acting and poor directing can be just as bad if not worse.  Take Life of David Gayle.  There was a lot of great acting coming out of Kevin Spacey and Lorra Linney but it was a poor movie because the writing and directing were poor.  Lucas has said many times that he works better with machines than people and I agree.  He's a great idea man and 2nd unit director.  Give him action scenes and space battles and he gives you gold.  Have him try to write a love scene between two twenty-somethings and you get emotionless pap.  I am not holding out great hopes for this next movie but I'll see it and try to enjoy it and if nothing else, I'll have Gendy Tartatovksi's Clone Wars cartoons to satiate my need for awesome star wars.  -leeman

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2005, 11:38:44 am »
A good actor is based upon multiple good performances, not just one.

but you cannot blame Portman and Christensen's abysmal performances on George Lucas.

On your first point, I 100% disagree. A good acting performance is a good acting performance, no matter the number of performances they do.

On your second point, again I 100% disagree. Do you know how difficult it is to work with young actors? They often require a lot of direction and guidance, and that is the job of the director.

Also how many movies have you worked on Lord Janos? I have worked on many movies in life (as a PA) and hundreds of TV shows. At the end of the day the only person, the only person, who has complete control over the movie, how the actors look, and which scenes are put into the final movie is the Director. He is completely responsible for final end product of the movie and can make or break how the actors look and behave on-screen.

In my years I have seen horrible performances made to look amazing on-screen with great cutting by the director, and I have seen amazing performances totally destroyed by the director. Lucas is fantastic at making worlds but he is horrible director. He should have just had someone else direct Episodes I, II, and III, like he did with Empire and Return of the Jedi.

Again, I stick by what I say. Episode III has the potential to be a good movie, but we'll just have to see how it turns out.
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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2005, 02:06:22 pm »
Yes a good acting performance is a good acting performance, however that doesn't make a good actor.  You contradict yourself, Steve.  By saying that a bad performance can be made to look incredible from Director cutting and whatnot, that doesn't make the actor any good does it?

How many movies have i worked on?  None.  Please, i'd jump at the chance to get such a part in a film... the notion that i would play Christensen's part better than himself accentuates how little i think of him.

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2005, 02:26:06 pm »
Yes a good acting performance is a good acting performance, however that doesn't make a good actor.  You contradict yourself, Steve.  By saying that a bad performance can be made to look incredible from Director cutting and whatnot, that doesn't make the actor any good does it?

Hum, you are correct technically. Yes, a good acting performance doesn't make a good actor. You may be correct that Christensen might be a "good overall actor" but I have seen him in good performances in the past. He was excellent in Shattered Glass so that could mean:

1) Christensen did a bad acting job and the director made him look good in the editing.
2) Christensen did a good acting job and the director did nothing to improve or hinder his performance in the editing.
3) Christensen is normally a bad actor but the director did an excellent job directing Christensen to get a great performance out of him.

So ... I don't know anymore. All I am basically saying is that I have seen both Christensen and Portman perform well in past movies. Does that mean that they're not "at heart" horrible actors? No, who knows? Perhaps those will be the only good performances of their careers.

But what I am saying is that the director has a lot to do with getting a good performance from their actors. A good director can make a bad actor look good, and a great actor look fantastic. And a bad director can make a great actor look "only" good and a bad actor look horrible. Lucas, not being a good director in my opinion, is not helping Christensen or Portman out by doing a poor job. Meanwhile Lee, Jackson, and McGregor are at least good enough so that their performances aren't totally destroyed by Lucas.

Again, Lee, Jackson, and McGregor I would say are performing on these movies and ONLY these movies (I am not comparing any of their past work) at a high enough level that what ends up on the screen is passable for "acceptable" acting levels. Christensen and Portman are performing on these movies and ONLY these movies at a low enough level that what ends up on the screen is not-passable for "acceptable" acting levels. It also doesn't help that in order for the love story to work in the last movie they really needed a strong script and believable acting. Neither of which they got.

Whew, I'm tired. I just want Episode III to be good. Can we agree upon that Lord Janos?
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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2005, 02:38:13 pm »
Whew, I'm tired. I just want Episode III to be good. Can we agree upon that Lord Janos?

I think we can agree on that, and also that we both have different thoughts on what defines a good actor.  Let's leave it at that i think =).

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2005, 11:38:37 pm »
For any of you that haven't seen the burnt Anakin and operating table pictures, here's a link to a thread that contains them.  And, yes, it does contain spoilers.  If you don't want to see it, don't click.

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3638#73889&sid=d263a0539f4b1fce8a68c57a31fc11f7

If it's showing "Bandwith Exceeded", scroll down.  A couple guys made mirrors.

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2005, 12:37:09 pm »
should I go see it this wednesday?

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2005, 02:09:35 pm »
I've been reading articles and reviews (which I don't trust much, as I have always been a fan of two star sci-fi movies)  and they pretty much say this one is shoulda been the stepping stone for the others to build off of (ala the quality of Ep III should have been present in Ep I, and it woulda ended up being a filming masterpiece).  However, I liked the first two movies because I could honestly care less about who the actors are, their history, or their performances.  My imagination can make up for lost talent.  Besides, watch Star Wars Ep IV with a discerning eye and you'll see a movie full of unmotivated actors (thought the leads were absolute genius) and improvised setups... I mean, no one had EVER done sci-fi like that before.... how did ANYONE have any clue as to what was going on?  One thing the reviews whined about was story inconsistancies and stuff of the sort.... I was completely unaware that hte reviewers actually wrote the story too! (sarcasm)

I'm going to watch it at 12:01am on the 19th.... I paid 8 bucks to watch it... I'm going with enough friends to choke a horse.  I'm going to have the time of my life.  It's Star Wars....and no matter how iffey the performances are, we will NEVER get another chance to enjoy ourselves like we will in a few days.  So grab a drink and some popcorn and pay homage to a series that cannot be duplicated, no matter how hard anyone tries.
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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2005, 02:24:38 pm »
I gona see it this weekend  ;D Ill shoot you guys if you spoil the movie
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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2005, 07:28:52 pm »
I'm seeing it tomorrow night, at seven, with some friends.  Unfortunately, I couldn't make it for an earlier showing (like midnight or noon). :(

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2005, 09:18:01 am »
Well, It's done.  I saw it lost night and it was pretty much what I expected.  Parts of it were extremely cool and fun and other parts were painful.  In the end, it's a decent way to end it and it's about as good a film as we're going to get out of Mr. Lucas.  Visuals were of course amazing.  Acting(or the direction of the actors)/dialogue/plot was underwhelming but I wasn't caught off guard.  I'd say see it and enjoy it and talk about it with your friends.  The debates that this movie will inspire will be almost worth the price of admission.  -leeman

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2005, 10:00:24 am »
Now that the movie is out, I'd like to briefly re-iterate what bwl2 said.... please be mindful of anything that could be considered spoilers and either keep your comments general (as the prior poster did) or put some sort of warning in your posts.

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2005, 12:56:59 pm »
I saw it last night.  It is easily the best in the prequel trilogy.  The music is beautiful (a great mixture of old school/new school Williams compositions).  The movie is intense.  I was sweating like a pig by the end...even though I knew what we going to happen, I was still on the edge of my seat.  I know the title is "Revenge of the Sith", but I had no idea how powerful this movie would be with regards to "the bad guy winning."  Lots of twists and turns.  I cannot wait until it's out on video... I smell a 24 hour Star Wars saga viewing :).
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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2005, 10:14:58 am »
I'm going to go see it in a few weeks when the theaters clear out... I already knew the plot of it, like, last year, but I still want to see how it all turned out. I am bummed about the plot inconsistencies, though. One in particular, which I won't talk about, even though it's obvious to anybody who's seen any 2 of the movies.

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Re: Star Wars Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2005, 03:23:07 pm »
Im going to see the movie in 2 hours! Ill tell you my impression
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