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Offline SmileyMan

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Best 'free' 9/11 video
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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2006, 10:30:29 pm »
You've convinced me. Now you just have to put this video up when American Idol airs next season to actually get the word out to enough people.
And yes... it's unbelievable, but I can't help but believe this video to be the truth.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2006, 08:48:32 am »
You've convinced me. Now you just have to put this video up when American Idol airs next season to actually get the word out to enough people.
And yes... it's unbelievable, but I can't help but believe this video to be the truth.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2006, 08:12:35 pm »
well, the thing about these is is that your mind is sorta pre-programmed to beleive in your "masters/government/king" is keeping something from you or has some secret plan, the best thing to do is watch some videos that challenge it, or give other explainations, before you draw conclusions. :)
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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 10:50:51 pm »
Loose change isn't that good. It leaps to a lot of conclusions, more than it can cover in facts. Also, it takes for granted that you think just like the creator, so it's not too good for converting people. I personally don't believe in the conspiracy... notice that he never actually states in the video what he think really happened, just pointing out a whole lot of contradicting views. I do believe that the Bush regime has to go and that the damage their incompetence and greed has created will take decades to clean up.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2006, 10:04:38 am »
It's biggest flaw is that it proposes various theories about what happened, even when they flatly contradict each other.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 09:04:49 pm »
Just to save myself some typing, here's some thoughts from a few months back on a different forum. In fairness, they seem to have added some footage since then so maybe the new footage addresses some of my concerns, but I'll throw these out there as a starting point until I get around to viewing the new version....

The main flaw the piece had was it never even asks, much less answers the big question: WHY? It clearly implies that our government was a conspirator in killing thousands of its own citizens, but it never even asks the question. The closest it gets is mentioning that the case files for some SEC investigation were destroyed in WTC 7 (hint-hint... capitalists BAD, Ogg throw rock).

As ragedogg points out, several of its main premises were flawed -- comparing WTC to other building fires that didn't collapse while ignoring that the other buildings hadn't also been hit by a plane. It assumes there were other bombs in WTC, ignoring that there are certainly other things in a high-rise building (gas lines, maybe) that could react badly to a Jet-A explosion.

It also commits the cardinal sin of conspiracy theory by assuming the conspirators are simultaneously too smart and too stupid. Example: if you believe this guy's whole song-n-dance, they planted bombs in WTC, disabled the security cameras on the roof so no one could see the supposed missile, fired a guided missile with split-second timing... but forgot to paint the plane to look like a commercial airliner, despite the hundreds of New Yorkers who would potentially be watching.

I'm not going to say there aren't a few interesting questions in there, particularly regarding Flt. 93. For instance, in the immediate 9/11 aftermath, there were SEVERAL eyewitnesses who said there was a second plane near the Flt. 93 crash site, but the 9/11 Commission's timeline went overboard in trying to prove it couldn't have been there. And for that matter, how does a 1-ton chunk of jet engine bounce a mile back up 93's flight path?

Short answer: if someone wanted to claim that maybe they had to shoot down 93 before/during the passenger action, and swept that under the rug because "Let's Roll" made for a more heroic story... that might be a discussion for a few beers. But looking at a piece of grainy footage and deciding it's a missile firing a millisecond before the plane hit? You lost me there, buddy...

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2006, 06:47:26 am »
The main flaw the piece had was it never even asks, much less answers the big question: WHY? It clearly implies that our government was a conspirator in killing thousands of its own citizens, but it never even asks the question. The closest it gets is mentioning that the case files for some SEC investigation were destroyed in WTC 7 (hint-hint... capitalists BAD, Ogg throw rock).

It does ask that question, actually.
It may have been added in the "second edition", but it's there at the end:

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And now for the last question of all. Why would our government do such a thing? I hope you're sitting down. First, we have Larry Silverstein, the man who purchased the World Trade Center in July, 2001. After September 11th, Silverstein demanded $7.2 billion dollars from his insurers, claiming that each plane counted as a separate act of terrorism. However, on December 6th, 2004, the courts only rewarded him with 2.2 billion dollars.

Next we have the put options that were placed on United Airlines, American Airlines, and Boeing. According to the San Fransisco Chronicle, more than 2.5 Million dollars has remained unclaimed.

As for 9-11 itself, Reuters reported that Convar, a German computer company is responsible for helping companies and accountants in New York restore their data from over 400 hard drives that were recovered from the World Trade Center's rubble. Convar recovered information from 32 different computers that suggested insider trading took place on 9-11. Richard Wagner, an expert at Convar:

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There is a suspicion that some people had advance knowledge of the approximate time of the plane crashes in order to move out amounts exceeding 100 million dollars. They thought that the records of their transactions could not be traced after the main frames were destroyed.

After their analysis, Convar handed the results over to the FBI. Although the FBI was legally bound to investigate who was responsible, to date they have done no such thing.

Moving on. According to Wikipedia, "One of the world's largest gold depositories was stored underneath the World Trade Center." In 1993 the value of the gold was estimated at one billion dollars, rumored to be owned by Kuwaiti interests. When the World Trade Center was destroyed, the amount of gold "far exceeded the 1993 levels." "The gold was finally recovered in its entirety in late 2001."
Or was it?
On November 1st, 2001, the Timesonline reported that a large amount of gold was discovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Mayor Rudolph Guiliani announced that more than $230 million dollars was recovered from Ground Zero. However, the Comex metals trading division was storing gold bars for the Bank of Nova Scotia, Chase Manhattan Bank, The Bank of New York, Hong Kong, and Shanghai Banking, totaling $950 million dollars. And that's just one company.
Rumor has it that over $160 billion dollars in gold was stored in the World Trade Center. So where did all the gold go? Remember the gold that was found in November, 2001? Reuters reported, that it was discovered in the back of a 10 wheel truck, along with several cars in a delivery tunnel underneath World Trade Center 5. No bodies were recovered.

As workers got closer to the gold, authorities began restricting access to Ground Zero, joined by FBI and Secret Service agents. One worker who was directed away from the tunnel told a reporter, "If I tried to go down there, they would have shot me."
Heavy-machinery operators and others worked under the watchful eye of more than 100 armed officers.
So, let me get this straight. Gold from World Trade Center 4 was found underneath World Trade Center 5, in an empty delivery truck, with an empty escort of cars. I think it's safe to say that they were running away from the South Tower. The question is, how did they know to flee from their stash, when not even the firefighters inside the South Tower expected it to collapse?

167 billion dollars in gold. 200 million is found. And that's just the money.

After September 11th, President Bush had and continues to have permission to do and say whatever he wants, all under the pretext of 9-11.
The Patriot Act.
The Department of Homeland Security.
Afghanistan.
Iraq.[/i]

There's a point-by-point critique of the movie on 911research that debunks many of its claims, but corroborates others, if anyone's interested.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2006, 06:51:50 am »
The main flaw the piece had was it never even asks, much less answers the big question: WHY? It clearly implies that our government was a conspirator in killing thousands of its own citizens, but it never even asks the question. The closest it gets is mentioning that the case files for some SEC investigation were destroyed in WTC 7 (hint-hint... capitalists BAD, Ogg throw rock).

It does ask that question, actually.
It may have been added in the "second edition", but it's there at the end:

OK... that was a 2nd-edition add, then.... wasn't in the first cut.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2006, 04:02:21 pm »
i stil cant figure out why america wants to schoot one of there best income buildings along whit 5000 ppl...did bush pres the wrong button or something?

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2006, 04:03:33 pm »
i stil cant figure out why america wants to schoot one of there best income buildings along whit 5000 ppl...did bush pres the wrong button or something?

Watch Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. That movie is exactly about why.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2006, 05:39:39 pm »
lol now i actualy watched it ::) and this is pretty much hard evidence...until some idiot comes in and says FAKE FOTOSHOP and nobody wil listen to it anymore....like any other of these movies

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2006, 10:07:58 pm »
I don't know why anybody actually believes movies like this. If I were running the government I'd try in for treason.

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2006, 01:49:23 pm »
wel the movie has alot of evidence

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Re: Best 'free' 9/11 video
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2006, 07:47:01 pm »
The US had a lot of "evidence" to go and attack Iraq, too.