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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50234

I've been unable to find the actual footage, so if someone knows where to find it that would be helpful. Thanks!



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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2006, 01:41:19 pm »
About bloody time. It is the worlds most well-guarded building. Some camera have to have better footage than that crappy old one. I'm actually a bit curious now, cause I have no idea how that plane could have done the damage it did from that weird angle and everything.

Though I'd rather have a new Spore video...  :P

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2006, 05:23:57 am »
CNN has it on a free feed if you want to watch it. It is a pair of parking entrance cameras and the frame rate is horrible. There might not be anythig better than that either. Think about it, why would you have a secuirty camera aimed up in to the sky?

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2006, 05:46:11 am »
I love Jack Cashill's "rebuttal".

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What a brilliant way to demonstrate that he's wrong. ::)

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 10:34:45 am »
CNN has it on a free feed if you want to watch it. It is a pair of parking entrance cameras and the frame rate is horrible. There might not be anythig better than that either. Think about it, why would you have a secuirty camera aimed up in to the sky?

could you please link it? :)
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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 12:25:49 pm »
www.cnn.com

It's also on google video now: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5658198482624505213&q=pentagon

The framerate is too bad to see anything than a couple images of a fiery explosion.

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2006, 12:44:06 pm »
i cant see a plane. not nowere. :'( i cant believe it! this. solves. NOTHING! *argh* anyone else annoyed by this >:(
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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2006, 02:42:55 pm »
Took them quite a long time to edit the footage.

The tip of the airplane is quite sharp from what I've seen in the video.

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2006, 05:01:14 pm »
were? i cant see anything.

edit: if you are talking about that tiny point at second 1:15 it hardly counts as a pont on a 747. ive seen em. WAY to blunt for that. (unless someon could find something for me to compare sizes to.
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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2006, 05:08:36 pm »
were? i cant see anything.

edit: if you are talking about that tiny point at second 1:15 it hardly counts as a pont on a 747. ive seen em. WAY to blunt for that. (unless someon could find something for me to compare sizes to.

It was a 767 that crashed into the Pentagon, which is a bit smaller than a 747.

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2006, 05:53:39 pm »
oh, im sorry, i didnt know that. :) but it still seems to small, maybe its just an illusion of the eye. :)
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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2006, 10:35:45 pm »
Still looks like the airplane disappears. It can't have blown up completely? I mean, when the latest space shuttle blew up, they collected conclusive evidence from an explosion far more severe than this one. Yet here there were just a few pieces and basically no wreck. I don't get it.  ???

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2006, 07:09:33 am »
When a plane crashes in to a solid object (like a concrete wall) it shreds and compacts in to a very small pile. All an airliner is is a very large soda can, and hitting a solid object doesn't leave much to clean up. Most of the aircraft probably ended up inside of a building.

Since I am at work I cannot find the footage, but there was a test several years ago by the DOE (Department of Energy) where they took and old F-4 Phantom fighter, put it on a rocket sled, and fired it in to a concrete wall built to the same specifications as a nuclear reactor wall, there wasn't much left of the aircraft (you can see the wing tips shear off since the plane was slightly wide than the wall section). In fact, if you can find any pictures of any aircraft that flew straight in to the ground at high speed, you'll find that there isn't much to be seen.

Try to find pictures of the wreckage of a SU-27 fighter that crashed at the Paris airshow after it ingested a bird. There are a couple videos of F-18 and F15 fighters hitting the round nose first as well.

I think what people expect to see is a large tail fin, some wing parts, even some fuselage debris outside the building (maybe like the Air France crash and fire in Canada last year). You'll find very little, the plane hit too hard and too fast. (again, watch the F-4 video) .

The video provided by the parking cams is almost worthless. The frame rate is way too slow. At 400mph an airliner would be moving at 600 feet per second (two football fields). It could have been going much faster.

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2006, 01:18:14 pm »
Yeah, that is a good point, lego. Airplanes have suprisingly little to their shells. They're just a little bit of aluminum skin and an underlying frame. Some of them are even made of cloth.

But 762, then the aircraft would be torn apart by wind!
Not really. There's a spacecraft that, when kept on earth, needs to be pressurized because it would collapse if it weren't. The skin is thinner than a dime. I know there's no wind in space, but there's an assload of wind when you're going a thousand miles an hour up through the atmosphere, and then a thousand miles an hour back down when the mission is done and you're coming home.

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Re: US Federal Gov't Releases Footage of Flight 77 Hitting Pentagon
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2006, 01:36:54 pm »
Most space rockets and ballistic missiles run on this concept of high internal pressure as a support mechanism. This is why projects like the YAL-1 Airborne laser are getting funding. You don't need to make a big hole to pop a balloon. (not I have theories regarding the YAL-1, but i can save that for another thread someday).

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