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Offline Sporinger Z

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"Bitting hand theory"
« on: May 11, 2006, 01:49:54 pm »
Just a theory:

As you can see looking at the Willosaur, you can see it attacking with the tail weapon and using it as a hand (e.g. when they take the spears)...

a) Really a weapon?
As you see in E3 demo you can see a mouth (mouths menu, second from top and right) very similar to the weapon, then it could be a mouth instead a weapon (but, really I don't think so).

b) If the weapon is... a weapon (most probably), you can use your weapons as hands (at least, some of them) (e.g. Willosaurus)

c) But, if you have a non-armed critter (I mean, e.g. a prototypical four legged critter), and you reach the tribal stage, would u use the mouth to handle objetcs, etc.? couldn't you use objetcs?



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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2006, 01:53:03 pm »
A.)It was a Grasper

B.)No, you can't use weapons as hands, you can use hands as weapons. It's a bit different.

C.)Don't know, but that Grasper you think was a mouth, wasn't a mouth. Personally, I doubt it.
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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2006, 01:55:25 pm »
We've seen stats for "social" and "tribal" in the creature editor... it might be that a creature without any manipulators can't get a high enough "tribal" score to allow them to move into the tribal stage... you can hold a spear with your mouth, but how would you build it?

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2006, 01:55:37 pm »
that grasper was specifically mentioned as both a manipulator and a weapon in the GDC '05 video.
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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2006, 02:10:54 pm »
I didn't say it: I'm deaf, so I get just the images of the videos.

B.)No, you can't use weapons as hands, you can use hands as weapons. It's a bit different.

About it, in the editor I noticed mouths have "Basic Bite Damage", but I haven't seen something like that related to hands. Well, when you added hands the one thing improved is "Social", but nothing more.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2006, 02:15:53 pm by Sporinger Z »

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2006, 02:14:04 pm »
I'm sure there will be a mouth that works like a grasper.
Also, for the 'tribal' thing, the graspers seem to directly effect the 'social' status of a critter, so theoreticly, you need -so- many social points to become tribal?

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2006, 02:15:43 pm »
Yeah, that's how they managed to evolve to the city/space stage. I doubt you can do that without some kind of manipulator, e.g. a hand.

I'm sure there will be a mouth that works like a grasper.
Also, for the 'tribal' thing, the graspers seem to directly effect the 'social' status of a critter, so theoreticly, you need -so- many social points to become tribal?

Yeah someone else mentioned this in another thread. I said it might be due to them being able to form crude hand gestures, meaning they can communicate more easily.

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2006, 02:20:21 pm »
Will Talked about graspers in the other demo, saying something to the effect that graspers can also be used as a primitive weapon. After all, it's not hard to punch something. When for example, the creature in the IGN video, in his original state probably cound't pick a spear, or even create one, with just pincers.

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2006, 02:26:46 pm »
Will Talked about graspers in the other demo, saying something to the effect that graspers can also be used as a primitive weapon. After all, it's not hard to punch something. When for example, the creature in the IGN video, in his original state probably cound't pick a spear, or even create one, with just pincers.



Actually, he said that most parts have a secondary function, such as a grasper being used as a weapon, or a foot being used as a grasper or weapon, or a weapon being used as a mating device.




Ok, maby I made the last one up, But i'm sure even the best aliens get a bit kinky now and then.

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2006, 02:51:06 pm »
actually title should be biting hand hypothesis (testable prediction).

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2006, 03:20:05 pm »
actually title should be biting hand hypothesis (testable prediction).

But it isnt testable. At least, not untill the game comes out.

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2006, 04:40:43 pm »
then it isnt either a hypothesis or a theory, just conjecture.

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2006, 06:54:29 pm »
 ??? ??? ???

WHATEVER  :D :D ;)

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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2006, 07:03:57 pm »
not hating on ya sporinger  ;D


course you may not have ment a scientific hypothesis ^_^
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Re: "Bitting hand theory"
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2006, 07:14:45 pm »
then it isnt either a hypothesis or a theory, just conjecture.
It's not any of those. It's a "quote from Will Wright."
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