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Just check out any of the live Sony conference updates. What they freaking hell is up with that? Does Sony really have no sense of shame?

I'm not a Sony hater. But Sony has copied Nintendo for years, and this is just insane. I really hope that the video gaming press rips Sony to shreds because of this. And that nobody actually thinks they came up with a "fantastic innovation" like they're calling it.

And they didn't even make it right. *shakes head*

I really hope Nintendo grounds Sony to the ground in this next generation just for that little stunt...



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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2006, 06:53:51 pm »
I didn't used to be a Sony hater.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2006, 06:56:16 pm »
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2006, 06:57:58 pm »
I am a Nintendo freak, yes, but this does not make me mad.


Look, take it as a compliment to your (my) beloved system/company/guy because they had such a good idea that Sony felt they needed to use it as well!


Plus, they have not put NEARLY as much time into it as Nintendo so it will probably be second rate and sputter out fairly quickly anyway.


You are not going to go to Sony to play a game that uses that kind of controller, you will go to Nintendo for that.

Just like you don't go to a Diner and expect a good steak.




Anyway, yay Nintendo, and thanks to Sony for the compliment.

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2006, 06:59:27 pm »
I didn't used to be a Sony hater either.

Even though I can see that the gaming press is going to eat Sony alive after this, I worry about the mainstream community. They'll see the Wii and the PS3 side-by-side and assume that the PS3 can do everything that the Wii can (which is absolutely false) but with better graphics (although the Wii will have price on its side.) Since the PlayStation is more mainstream nowadays they may just assume that it was also PS3's innovation in the first place.

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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 07:00:43 pm »
Um, I don't follow this as closely as I should, I know, so can some one post a link to a story?

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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 07:01:43 pm »
I didn't used to be a Sony hater.

Me either. That display was disgusting. No inovation at all.

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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 07:04:51 pm »
I just got stabbed in the back, but truthfully their motion sensing isn't as powerful as Nintendo's. It has no external sensors he said, therefore it's only tilt, there's no 3D positioning. That may be enough to give it the edge though, for me...as I really like GTA and such. Depending on how big the bomb Nintendo drops tomorrow is, and how fun both look to play at E3, I may be a convert...despite my sorrow.

Then again you can't hula dance with a steering wheel, you can't play tennis or swordfight with a lightsaber with a steering wheel...plus Nintendo announced the controller way early, they knew this would happen. They have the real secret up their sleeve for tomorrow's bombshell.
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 07:56:34 pm »
I'm doubting that Nintendos "next secret" will be a bombshell.  I'm sad to say I think it will be something retarded like a built in microphone.

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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2006, 08:00:16 pm »
I'm doubting that Nintendos "next secret" will be a bombshell.  I'm sad to say I think it will be something retarded like a built in microphone.

It was just confimed (lemme find the link) the the core controller of the Wii will have a built in mini speaker, meaning that for instince, when you fire a gun in Red Steel, the sound of the gunshot will come from the controller itself.

While not huge, Im actually very excited to see this implemented into a game like Red Steel.

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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2006, 08:06:34 pm »
I can care less about any new suprises from Nintendo. I just expect Twilight Princess and backwards compatiability and downloads avaliable online. End of story. That will be a great press conference for Nintendo, with a little spice of flaming PS3 and the xbox360 would be nice.  ;D
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2006, 08:07:10 pm »
I didn't used to be a Sony hater either.

Even though I can see that the gaming press is going to eat Sony alive after this, I worry about the mainstream community. They'll see the Wii and the PS3 side-by-side and assume that the PS3 can do everything that the Wii can (which is absolutely false) but with better graphics (although the Wii will have price on its side.) Since the PlayStation is more mainstream nowadays they may just assume that it was also PS3's innovation in the first place.

*shakes head again*

It seems to me that, in this generation at least, nintendo and sony are targeting very different communities.  Yeah, they ripped off nintendo's controller, but I imagine they're going to have very different types of games.

Also,I doubt your average gamer will blow $500 on a console without looking into it and comparing it to the other consoles out there.  If the PS3 really turns out as bad as people think it will, I don't think they're going to keep afloat just because of the name.  They'll get crushed.

I especially think the high price is especially bad for sony.  They have a lot of customers that just bought the PS2 to play madden football, and I doubt those types are willing to blow $500 just for one video game.

All in all, it does seem like they missed the point.  They're stepping out of their niche, and try to step on nintendo's toes.  Sometimes I wonder how such successful companies can make such mystifyingly bad decisions.  But who knows, maybe we're all missing something.
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2006, 08:08:41 pm »
I'm worried about this actually. The average person on the street will see "Wii with tilt controller" or "PLAYSTATION 3!!! WITH TILT CONTROLER!"
It's stealing a bit of Nintendo's thunder, which is something they don't need. Everyone here knows it's not the same, but not everyone in the 'mass market' will perceive a difference I don't think.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2006, 08:10:06 pm »
Sure they'll see a difference!  $200 vs. $500!  That's a hell of a difference to me!
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2006, 08:11:58 pm »
Sure they'll see a difference!  $200 vs. $500!  That's a hell of a difference to me!
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2006, 08:13:06 pm »
Sure they'll see a difference!  $200 vs. $500!  That's a hell of a difference to me!

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2006, 08:23:36 pm »
I love the fact that sony are touting this like they came up with it first, I was actually looking forward to the PS3 now I might just look into a Wii(no matter how often I say that name I smile, while from now on when I hear the phrase PSŁ I will have to force myself not to retch)

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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2006, 08:39:55 pm »
I love the fact that sony are touting this like they came up with it first, I was actually looking forward to the PS3 now I might just look into a Wii(no matter how often I say that name I smile, while from now on when I hear the phrase PSŁ I will have to force myself not to retch)

I agree. They said in the beginning of the press conference that they weren't going to win people over with gimmicks, then they pull this? Come on Sony...

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2006, 08:48:59 pm »
I love the fact that sony are touting this like they came up with it first, I was actually looking forward to the PS3 now I might just look into a Wii(no matter how often I say that name I smile, while from now on when I hear the phrase PSŁ I will have to force myself not to retch)

I agree. They said in the beginning of the press conference that they weren't going to win people over with gimmicks, then they pull this? Come on Sony...

I became disgusted with sony during my PSP experience. I still have Firmware version 1.5...

I absolutely loved the fact that homebrew and emulators were popping up everywhere. Some very original, and very fun indy games were made. Like Attack of the Mutants, I love that fast paced, pick up and play action. Unfortunatly sony snubbed it out because people were pirating ISO's. Now you have to upgrade to play the latest games. I thought it was great indy developers were making small, fun, addictive titles, and applications. Sony blocked that. Now I only use my PSP for Gaming Steve. great a $250 media player, I should have bought an I-Pod. My DS gets much more gameplay than my PSP. BUT WAIT! I can now use it as a sideview mirror  ::)

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2006, 09:24:12 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2006, 09:38:34 pm »
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2006, 10:33:54 pm »
Sony ripped off an old, like 6-7 year old, MICROSOFT, not Nintendo, controller. As everyone has pointed out, this is a tilt-sensitive controller without the motion sensors that the Wii will have.
Check out the discontinued Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle Pro controller. It was a tilt-sensitive controller that did not sell that well. There was a Motocross Madness game (I think that was the title) that took advantage of it, as well as one of the Flight Simulator versions that came out during the same time period.
The Wii controller is much different, and much better.
I just wonder if Microsoft patented that tilt controller technology...if so, this new Sony controller may not even make it into the PS3 box.

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2006, 11:06:48 pm »
I don't think MS has a patent on tilt functions, they would have said something about it now, and game boy has been doing it for a while.
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2006, 11:27:42 pm »
Sony talks of gimmicks, atleast Nintendo went all the way with motion sensing instead of half way. They just finished adding the motion sensing to that Greyhawk game they showed about 3 weeks ago, he said. Gimmicks indeed, sideview mirror using your PSP? Eyetoy? Who's the one using gimmicks again?

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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2006, 11:38:09 pm »
lol i think it would be best if sony and nintendo joined togeter :P graphics and gameplay but then again i dont ... originality and rip off dont go wel whit eachother (origonal rip off wtf?)

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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2006, 03:15:06 am »
On the bright side it's the same controller. I don't own a PS2, but I've always liked how it felt  :D

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 :D So true.
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A very ****ing expensive side mirror, I mean those things cost more than the side mirror of a BMW!

Heres an idea. Did you guys see those little mirrors on the side of the car that were just grey *hits head* USE THOSE!
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2006, 05:02:58 am »
It's an excellent move by Sony in my opinion. Nintendo was relying on their controller as a selling point, but now that Sony has something similar (and I use similar very loosely, they're almost totally different), what does Nintendo have? You may say that HD gaming and impressive graphics aren't going to win this console war, but when one console has the same as another, and more, it's pretty obvious which is going to come out on top. The PS3 now has the best of both worlds (Microsoft [online] and Nintendo [controller]), which is the perfect way to sell a system. You don't owe a company a living, your money or your support. If the PS3 has "copied" the Nintendo controller, and now has that among other things, get the PS3. Buying an inferior console just for the sake of it having a brand name you've always used is ridiculous.

But like I said, they're virtually nothing alike. If you want a console where you can use the controller as something to point at the TV, use for tennis games and sword fighters etc, get the Wii. If you're going to get a console for flight and driving games, get the PS3. Don't stick to one or the other just because you've bought their products before.

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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2006, 05:17:25 am »
It's an excellent move by Sony in my opinion. Nintendo was relying on their controller as a selling point, but now that Sony has something similar (and I use similar very loosely, they're almost totally different), what does Nintendo have? You may say that HD gaming and impressive graphics aren't going to win this console war, but when one console has the same as another, and more, it's pretty obvious which is going to come out on top. The PS3 now has the best of both worlds (Microsoft [online] and Nintendo [controller]), which is the perfect way to sell a system. You don't owe a company a living, your money or your support. If the PS3 has "copied" the Nintendo controller, and now has that among other things, get the PS3. Buying an inferior console just for the sake of it having a brand name you've always used is ridiculous.

But like I said, they're virtually nothing alike. If you want a console where you can use the controller as something to point at the TV, use for tennis games and sword fighters etc, get the Wii. If you're going to get a console for flight and driving games, get the PS3. Don't stick to one or the other just because you've bought their products before.

I don't think that's the case at all, at least for most people.

Sony have completely ripped off Nintendo's controller, but it can't be used anywhere near the extent as the Wii's can be, it's very clearly just something they've thrown in at the last minute to try and compete.  On top of that they've copied Microsofts online, but it seems to be no where near the same level and they've even taking elements from the 360's controller too.  Can anyone look at it and say the guide button and analogue triggers weren't taking from it?  There's also the fact that they were lying about the specs, the system barley seems to be more poweful than the 360, and from what they've shown is much worse than most games on the 360.  The few games they showed that did look good, Gran Tursimo, FFXIII, Eight Days, etc, were all faked.  It's just like last year when they showed a mocked up version of Killzone 2.  You can keep telling yourself "it was real" but in reality, the final games are not going to look anything like that.  At least if they showed some actual footage of these games I could respect them.

And of course the system costs $700 or $500 if you want an extremely stripped down version.  So where is Sony doing anything better than the competion?  They only seem to be poor immitating them.
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2006, 05:24:41 am »
The term is "target video" lol

If you don't know those are fake then you have been drinking too much kool ad

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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2006, 05:26:24 am »
Target videos then.   ;)
Anyway, even if they were real.


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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2006, 05:29:48 am »
OH, so thats why snake killed himself. I couldn't really see what they were saying on a low res video

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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2006, 06:15:04 am »
What's funny to me is, I read the title of this thread and went, "Wait, someone didn't know they ripped off Nintendo's controller? Come on, folks, the D-Pad, analog sticks, rumble function, four-button primary layout, shoulder buttons -- it's friggin' obvious." And then I found out they're trying to do some cheapy version of the Wii controller.

All I can say is: ****ers. I hope they crash and burn. How can Ueda-san, who prides himself on doing innovative game designs, stand working for these brainless people? Think I'll start a petition to try and convince him to go to another company. That would be awesome. I don't even care what company it is, so long as they let him do his thing and don't interfere.

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« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2006, 07:41:35 am »
It's an excellent move by Sony in my opinion. Nintendo was relying on their controller as a selling point, but now that Sony has something similar (and I use similar very loosely, they're almost totally different), what does Nintendo have? You may say that HD gaming and impressive graphics aren't going to win this console war, but when one console has the same as another, and more, it's pretty obvious which is going to come out on top.

You know, a couple of years ago people made pretty much the same argument in regards to the DS versus the PSP and the respective capabilities of both machines.
See how that worked out?

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« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2006, 09:20:48 am »
I found this quote funny:
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"rumble was last generation, movement is this generation."

translation : "Man rumble is so lame any one with rumble is a noob." lol they should thank Nintendo to bringing the idea to the table. I don't think it's that big of deal that they have no rumble (lawsuits) but it is a nice subtle way to bring people into a game.

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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2006, 09:23:36 am »
If I had to choose between next-gen graphic or good and original games I know which one I'd choose

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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2006, 02:07:24 pm »
I already got this topic right and won.


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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2006, 02:41:31 pm »
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the new sony controller will not have rumble feedback. (edit: sorry, didn't read thoroughly enough) Personally, i doubt many game developers will even take advantage of the ps3's sensors. It seems more like a gimmick to attract press and to give the ps fanboys something to wave in the nintendo fans faces. Who knows, could this be the last major playstation console? With a high price and not much innovation, it very well could be, methinks.
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Re: Ah, so Sony has officially ripped off Nintendo's controller.
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2006, 03:51:55 pm »
It's an excellent move by Sony in my opinion. Nintendo was relying on their controller as a selling point, but now that Sony has something similar (and I use similar very loosely, they're almost totally different), what does Nintendo have? You may say that HD gaming and impressive graphics aren't going to win this console war, but when one console has the same as another, and more, it's pretty obvious which is going to come out on top. The PS3 now has the best of both worlds (Microsoft [online] and Nintendo [controller]), which is the perfect way to sell a system. You don't owe a company a living, your money or your support. If the PS3 has "copied" the Nintendo controller, and now has that among other things, get the PS3. Buying an inferior console just for the sake of it having a brand name you've always used is ridiculous.

But like I said, they're virtually nothing alike. If you want a console where you can use the controller as something to point at the TV, use for tennis games and sword fighters etc, get the Wii. If you're going to get a console for flight and driving games, get the PS3. Don't stick to one or the other just because you've bought their products before.

I don't think that's the case at all, at least for most people.

Sony have completely ripped off Nintendo's controller, but it can't be used anywhere near the extent as the Wii's can be, it's very clearly just something they've thrown in at the last minute to try and compete.  On top of that they've copied Microsofts online, but it seems to be no where near the same level and they've even taking elements from the 360's controller too.  Can anyone look at it and say the guide button and analogue triggers weren't taking from it?  There's also the fact that they were lying about the specs, the system barley seems to be more poweful than the 360, and from what they've shown is much worse than most games on the 360.  The few games they showed that did look good, Gran Tursimo, FFXIII, Eight Days, etc, were all faked.  It's just like last year when they showed a mocked up version of Killzone 2.  You can keep telling yourself "it was real" but in reality, the final games are not going to look anything like that.  At least if they showed some actual footage of these games I could respect them.

And of course the system costs $700 or $500 if you want an extremely stripped down version.  So where is Sony doing anything better than the competion?  They only seem to be poor immitating them.

The first half of your post backs up exactly what I was saying. The PS3 has elements from both the other consoles, which, on paper, makes the PS3 better. If that is the case, why would you want to get a different console? Because of a brand name? Because the ideas were "stolen" (ideas which are nothing new anyway, they've been around for years)?

Like I was saying, if you have a justifiable reason to get one of the other consoles, get it. But getting a Nintendo or Microsoft (or even Sony) console just because you always have done is no reason for buying it. It's a dog-eat-dog world, manufacturers "steal" from each other all the time (broadband providers, TV providers, supermarkets), and no one cares. The only reason people care about a console is because they feel they owe the company some sort of living, which is not the case.

I've never believed the demos they've shown to be in-game, because they're not. But they're not meant to be. If they had said on the trailers that they were in-game, and they weren't, then yes; that's wrong. But the whole idea of a trailer is to show off a game, to get people hooked. Everyone knows the Killzone trailer was "fake", but the game was talked about for month afterwards, which is exactly what Sony wanted.

Sony isn't necessarily doing anything better than the competition, but they are taking what they know to work from the competition, and, I'll say it again, loosely basing their own ideas from them. I know you think that the ideas are taken straight from the competitors, but they're barely anything like one another. I could be pedantic and say that Xbox took it's Live service from PCs, because they were around first, and had the internet first. I could be even more pedantic and say that Nintendo stole their controller idea from a very old controller made by Microsoft, but I won't bother. Why should Sony stick their neck out when they can use an idea that they know works?

I used to own SEGA systems, a Gameboy, then the PS1 and PS2. I now own an Xbox 360, and I'll be getting a PS3 when it comes out. At no point do I base my decisions on what the console has taken, or "stolen", from another system. I get them because they offer the games and services I want with my consoles. Whatever problem a company has with another rival company is their own, and not mine.

I find it funny that you all think I'm the fanboy but you're defending to the death a console that you've never played against another you've never played, and a company that you owe nothing more than any other. Quite ironic in my opinion. But then, my Nintendo-hating, biased fanboy opinion won't matter anyway.

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« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2006, 04:14:47 pm »
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Well, sure the PS3 may be feasable for you to purchase, however, I'm not going to commit myself to an expensive system with re-hashed fighters. Absolutely no new inovation at all, none, zero. A bland press conference, and a bland line up of games. I'm sorry, but the Wii is the better alternative for me anyway.

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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2006, 04:26:47 pm »
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Well, sure the PS3 may be feasable for you to purchase, however, I'm not going to commit myself to an expensive system with re-hashed fighters. Absolutely no new inovation at all, none, zero. A bland press conference, and a bland line up of games. I'm sorry, but the Wii is the better alternative for me anyway.

And that's a perfectly fine reason to buy a non-Sony console. I wasn't saying only the PS3 should be bought, I was saying it should be if you have nothing specific you want from a next gen console (which also includes the price. If you have a budget, there's no point in getting a PS3). Get the one that offers things from all areas. I wanted the PS3 before E3 and before the announcements, which is why I still want one now.

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« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2006, 06:22:27 pm »
The PS3 has elements from both the other consoles, which, on paper, makes the PS3 better. If that is the case, why would you want to get a different console? Because of a brand name? Because the ideas were "stolen" (ideas which are nothing new anyway, they've been around for years)?

Well, I'm not a fanboy for anybody.  As a matter of fact, I don't even have a console right now, and I'm trying to decide which one(s) to buy.  So here is the opinion of somebody who genuinely has no loyalty towards any company.

The answer to your question is, if the PS3 has the functionality of both the xbox 360 and the wii, but it is worse than its competitior in each respect, then I would think twice about buying it.  Factor in the fact that we will likely be able to buy both a wii and a 360 for the price of the PS3.  Thus, in my opinion, the PS3 is not simply better than both other consoles because it combines elements of each.

Of course, everybody on this forum knows it all comes down to the games.  Because of the money issue, I imagine I'm going to end up comparing the PS3's games to the combined library of both it competitors, since i can get both those consoles for the price of the PS3.
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« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2006, 10:41:28 am »
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Ubisoft Montreal's Clint Hocking slams Sony but bigs-up the Wii, as he makes his next-gen views known.

The creative director on Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory has spoken on his dissapointment at Sony's "copying" of other companies. He noted the Xbox Live style interface the PS3 has adopted, and also the tilt-sensors in the controller being inspired by Nintendo's Wii-mote. "How much more 'me too' can [Sony] be?" he said.

He also attacked the industry for incrementally pushing visuals with every new generation as much as is happening now, saying it was a "fundamental problem of approach" to continue the push for stronger graphics - especially when, in his opinion, the adoption rate for HD televisions is low.

Hocking went on to congratulate Nintendo on the Wii Remote, saying that it will bring the emotions of games directly to the player, more than better graphics can. And if it can meet the promised technical accuracy, it will open up creativity in game designers for whole new experiences.

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http://www.revo-europe.com/news.php?nid=9145

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Ubisoft Montreal's Clint Hocking slams Sony but bigs-up the Wii, as he makes his next-gen views known.

The creative director on Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory has spoken on his dissapointment at Sony's "copying" of other companies. He noted the Xbox Live style interface the PS3 has adopted, and also the tilt-sensors in the controller being inspired by Nintendo's Wii-mote. "How much more 'me too' can [Sony] be?" he said.

He also attacked the industry for incrementally pushing visuals with every new generation as much as is happening now, saying it was a "fundamental problem of approach" to continue the push for stronger graphics - especially when, in his opinion, the adoption rate for HD televisions is low.

Hocking went on to congratulate Nintendo on the Wii Remote, saying that it will bring the emotions of games directly to the player, more than better graphics can. And if it can meet the promised technical accuracy, it will open up creativity in game designers for whole new experiences.

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« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2006, 11:01:17 am »
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And Sony are Outtahere!

Microsoft and Nintendo confidently saunter across the finish line and are through to the next round of CONSOLE WARS.

Who'da thunk it. Last round Sony were ruling the roost, Nintendo were declining and Microsoft were the clumsy newcomers.
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« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2006, 11:06:51 am »
I think Nintendo and Microsoft will have a good fight. I will end up owning a Wii as well. Soon people will say, Sony Who?

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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2006, 04:24:17 pm »
Yay! Sony's gonna die! ;D I never liked Sony in the first place but I though they were pretty good around their PSX days. After that it was just downhill in my opinion. When Sega became 3rd party I was a little disappointed but the fact that they had plenty of IP (other than Sonic) to go off of I was satisfied. Once Sony's PS department goes 3rd party, I don't think they'll have very much to go from, I mean how much original IP do they own that belongs to them?
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I will never buy any console for that price, and now that I've found out I can play DVD's on a Wii there really is no contest.

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« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2006, 05:49:29 am »
The PS3 has elements from both the other consoles, which, on paper, makes the PS3 better. If that is the case, why would you want to get a different console? Because of a brand name? Because the ideas were "stolen" (ideas which are nothing new anyway, they've been around for years)?

Well, I'm not a fanboy for anybody.  As a matter of fact, I don't even have a console right now, and I'm trying to decide which one(s) to buy.  So here is the opinion of somebody who genuinely has no loyalty towards any company.

The answer to your question is, if the PS3 has the functionality of both the xbox 360 and the wii, but it is worse than its competitior in each respect, then I would think twice about buying it.  Factor in the fact that we will likely be able to buy both a wii and a 360 for the price of the PS3.  Thus, in my opinion, the PS3 is not simply better than both other consoles because it combines elements of each.

Of course, everybody on this forum knows it all comes down to the games.  Because of the money issue, I imagine I'm going to end up comparing the PS3's games to the combined library of both it competitors, since i can get both those consoles for the price of the PS3.

The fact that the 360 and PS3 are reasonably similar in power and the way 3rd parties have moved from bringing exclusive content to platforms also doesn't make the PS3 nearly as appealing. I'm not a huge Microsoft fan by any count, but they really have a definite advantage over Sony this time around and I hope it stays that way. Nintendo is the lone wolf: Whether the Big N can be successful in that role is something no one can predict, but I will tell you something that struck me as indicative of what Nintendo can potentially do.

I watched their press conference at my parents' house. My brother and I had gone over to have an early Mother's Day, since my father is leaving before Mother's Day for a new job. While they were watching American Idol, which I detest, I went in and watched the press conference. Once Idol was over, I asked my parents to come in and watch the video of people playing different games. They begrudgingly sat down to watch one of my 'videogame things.' After the video ended, I asked, "Now, Nintendo is touting this as a console that anyone should be able to play and would want to play. And you guys haven't played videogames since Intellivision. Do you think that's going to work?"

Without hesitation, they both said that they'd love to give it a try. My father especially liked the baseball game and Pangya; my mother liked Wario Ware and Orchestra. And these are two people that have avoided gaming for nearly two decades. And here they are, saying they'd love to try it.

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« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2006, 05:13:42 am »
wow, i can't believe that people actually think that nintendo made this revolutionary technology and sony is mimicing it.  for one, the tilt feature in controllers has been around since the early ninties and playstation controllers sound just like the one i still have.  sure when sony heard the Wiimotes had this kind of tilt and 3-d motion sony put the tilting feature into their controllers, but this isn't anything new in controller design or whatever you would like to call it.  Nintendo is the dumb one announcing their ace up their sleeve to everyone nearly a year before release.  the way playstation has the tilt feature set up prolly took them four months to intergrate it.  that technology is old, near 12-13 years old, which really old technology wise.  I don't see playstation going anywhere, but at the top or in second.  Graphically the 360 can't beat it, but can get very very very very close to the ps3's capabilities, and sony has always had the best titles released for it.  if you want great minigames, get the wii.  They will come out with some great titles in the beginning, like they have time and time again, but eventualy it becomes all mario and minigames.  entertaining, but personally would rather have a great RPG to play with.  the 360 is prolly going to be hardest contender against the PS3 because they have a lot of great titles being released for the system. 

It's great that Nintendo is going with something new.  I'm not saying it won't be entertaining, but I only see a lot of mini game types coming out after the hype of the console release is over for a while. 

And for the main point of the thread, Sony is doing the right thing making their controllers have a tilt function in them
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« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2006, 05:23:29 am »
Sorry, but it looks like this functionality has only recently been implemented into the controllers, it was easy to tell from the poor use of it in the games.  How many games did they show that actually made use of it?  The guy who was demonstrating it looked like he was having enough problems just trying to figure out how to use the thing.  I honestly can not see this being any use in any game, ever.  The worst part of this is that they kept calling it "innotive".

And as for the PS3 graphically wise, once again they showed almost nothing but CGI or mocked up gameplay, and the actual in-game we did see was pretty poor.  Once again Sony completely lied about the specs of the system, it barley matches the power of the 360, and now that the 360 is on it's second generation of games, it's easy to tell which console has the better looking games.  And I'm talking actual in game such as Gears of War, Viva Pinata, or Mass Effect, none of this mocked up MGS4, Killzone 2 or Gran Turismo crap.

And once again I have to say, Sony didn't just take a lot of Nintendos ideas here, they've also blatently taken a lot of the 360's features and passed them off as "new" and "innotive".  As much as anyone might try, I can find no way to respect them for this.

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« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2006, 05:35:41 am »

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« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2006, 08:43:41 am »
I've hated Sony for a while.  They steal game titles I want to play aawy from my Computer, They CAN'T manage an MMO without turning it to crap, aand they're backstabbing liars. 

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Golly gee, Winter ... all you had to do to prove the 360 was better was show in-game Gears of War. It's really that simple. Nothing PS3 has shown can even come close. Not to mention Bio-Shock.

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« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2006, 07:44:59 pm »
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Golly gee, Winter ... all you had to do to prove the 360 was better was show in-game Gears of War. It's really that simple. Nothing PS3 has shown can even come close. Not to mention Bio-Shock.

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« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2006, 07:37:42 am »
If you copy other's ideas for long enough somthing is bond to go wrong. We have seen sony do this before, and it didnt ruin nintendo or X-box, only time will tell what will happen from this point. We might see X-box make a motion sensitive controler
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« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2006, 09:01:17 am »
This whole console war is starting to remind of children playing. One of them says "I wanna be a lion!", the next goes "Okay, I'll be a dragon!", and then the first changes his mind and goes "No! >:( I wanna be a dragon, too!"

You can't be a dragon! I'm telling!!  >:(

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« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2006, 09:24:44 am »
Well I'm half Dragon half Lobster! So NYEH!!!

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« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2006, 03:27:25 pm »
This whole console war is starting to remind of children playing. One of them says "I wanna be a lion!", the next goes "Okay, I'll be a dragon!", and then the first changes his mind and goes "No! >:( I wanna be a dragon, too!"

You can't be a dragon! I'm telling!!  >:(

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« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2006, 02:45:06 am »
cans i have a photo of the sony ripp off version?
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« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2006, 03:10:55 am »
cans i have a photo of the sony ripp off version?

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« Reply #65 on: May 31, 2006, 07:39:09 am »
cans i have a photo of the sony ripp off version?



Thats a DualShock 2.

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Thats a DualShock 2.

And technically it's a rip-off too.  :D

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« Reply #67 on: June 03, 2006, 12:57:52 pm »
Nintendo ripped off Sony first.   Sony invented 3D.   ;)
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« Reply #68 on: June 03, 2006, 02:29:14 pm »
yes before that everything was in 2D...........

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« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2006, 02:36:37 pm »
Like MGM invented colour and Newton invented gravity. The world before Newton was all outlines and crosshatchings and people wearing magnetic boots and strapping themselves into their beds at night. There was no sound.
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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2006, 02:39:11 pm »
a funy video here: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/warhawk/warhawakps3-controller-nothing-new-182473.php

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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2006, 12:46:04 pm »
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3438&Itemid=2

It seems odd that this patent is just now going threw because they showed this technology off at the '05 E3. Any way this got me thinking that the PS3 could act even more like a Wii controller, all you need is the new eye toy and a special controller that the eye-toy can recognize and poof you got your own Wii-mote. The only difference being that the wii controller is in two parts to provide more freedom of movement. This doesn't mean that all of the PS3 owners will buy the Eye-toy so developers won't use that function in there games and it becomes a wasted technology. Now if Sony was smart, they could package every PS3 with an Eye-toy and made sure that it could recognize the PS3 controller then they would have a leg up on the Wii with very similar controlls and better graphics. The only problem with the eye toy is that we don't know how close you need to be to it and how much light is needed for it to work properly.
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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2006, 01:39:28 pm »
You all saw that fancy Patent Sony had on that form fitting material, right?

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« Reply #74 on: July 20, 2006, 07:53:45 am »
You all saw that fancy Patent Sony had on that form fitting material, right?

Yes. So now Sony is ripping off Batman.


Seriously though, I'd seen that tech before in real life, so I fail to see how Sony could patent something that has already been created and should obviusly have been patented at that time.

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« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2006, 08:07:06 am »
You all saw that fancy Patent Sony had on that form fitting material, right?

Yes. So now Sony is ripping off Batman.

They already were before they reverted to dualshock again.
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« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2006, 02:02:35 pm »
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154345.html?page=0#comments

I can't decide what annoys me most, the people that justify it by instantly saying they must have been developing it years before Nintendo even thought of it with absolutly no proof whatsoever, or the people that justify it by saying that in the corporate world people copy all the time so it's no big deal and people just buy Sony cause now it has all the wii's stuff and looks better.

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« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2006, 06:06:14 pm »
a few words i think can say what i mean dingdong the wich is dead sony is going down hard than again they have ben since the release of the ps2 and psp
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