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Re: Politics
« Reply #5205 on: January 31, 2017, 09:35:28 am »
Maybe he should think more laterally. If he RUINS the economy then people will have no reason to want to live and work in the US. Immigration solved.

Maybe a couple terrorists will get caught. If so, then I suppose it will have been worth it.

That's sort of debatable. Obviously any kind of moral calculus is a difficult undertaking but where exactly do you weigh a life? Then where do you weigh the *possibility* that a life might be taken, and then balance that against all sorts of abuses which aren't murder but affect more people.

Personally in a lot of cases I'd rather there were a slim chance of a guilty person going free than a slim chance of an innocent person being wrongly punished but I know not everyone shares that view :P
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5206 on: January 31, 2017, 09:38:42 am »
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5207 on: January 31, 2017, 09:42:48 am »
Man, you guys should put Nigel in charge lol

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5208 on: January 31, 2017, 09:46:18 am »
He'd just resign, have his resignation rejected, then resign again, and then have his successor resign, then grow a ****ty mustache.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5209 on: January 31, 2017, 09:50:44 am »
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5210 on: January 31, 2017, 10:54:08 am »
The last thing we need is for the progressives to take over, that's just going to make things even worse.
I really hope for a revival of classical liberalism but I guess that's probably too much wishful thinking.

And what do you mean by classic liberalism?

"Classical liberalism is a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals — including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets — as well as limited government."
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The reason I asked is because I wanted YOUR definition. Not googles or wikis.  And you should know that I am actually quite versed in politics.

But very well then. What you want is pretty the Democrat's not changing. Considering there already for all those things in general. The only slight difference is that sometimes, just sometimes they do think that the government should intervene. But I guess it is not fully the same thing as the Democrat's more corporatist and working for the big corporations and rich guys then truly liberal when it comes to the economy. (Just like the republicans)

And well if you really want a party all about Liberality why not the Libertarians? Or you think that Libertarians should be absorbed in to the Democrat's and become the new Libertarian party? Seem rather alien to me. I mean the socialist wing of the Democrat's have existed there since the early 20th century at least.

Personally I am for the first part of that. Freedom of speech, religion, press and general personal freedoms in fact. But I want government to take a more active roll in society. To help the bottom and limit the power of the rich and powerful. To even things out a bit because else power will just keep on accumulating to a few. Right up until people start to feel the system is a bit unfair and start doing armed revolutions and such. And I generally like people to have a good life to of course. You should not have to be born in to a privileged life to have a good one. There is also the case that some things are simply done better and more efficient when we all chip in then we go it alone.

PS: Oh and personally I do not think US government is to big. Just that it spends a lot of money in the wrong areas.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5211 on: January 31, 2017, 11:12:14 am »
well its the last point that matters.
I do agree with the libertarians on a lot of issues but in the end I think there should be some type of safety net that helps the people that need it.
And if anything, the government is not effecient at all, even now you have tons of people exploiting wellfare and the like and it just makes things worse for everyone.
Also the democrats are just a mouthpiece for corporations at this point who also advocate for bigger government so I don't see the comparison.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5212 on: January 31, 2017, 12:24:55 pm »
Who are there people exploring welfare btw?

And I do genuinely believe that some things run more effective when it government that is behind that. Mainly those sort of natural monopolies that tend to arise. Like roads and a lot of infrastructure tend to fall in to this category. And I would not think that it would be a good idea to have privatized military or police.

Where I like to see free enterprise is the the market of innovation.
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« Reply #5213 on: January 31, 2017, 06:43:46 pm »
When did the Scots get so jaded they actually defend the type of people they'd be pitching a fit about if they were in Westminster?

It's only because he's half Scottish.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5214 on: January 31, 2017, 08:05:06 pm »
Personally in a lot of cases I'd rather there were a slim chance of a guilty person going free than a slim chance of an innocent person being wrongly punished but I know not everyone shares that view :P

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5215 on: January 31, 2017, 09:31:11 pm »
The Libertarians, like the Greens, are a dead end in US politics.  They're for people on the right and left who don't play well with others and would rather have utmost ideological purity than a chance in hell of winning anything.  Every now and then they have good ideas, and they get siphoned off by the major parties.  That's about it.  If it wasn't a two party system thinhd would probably be different, but that isn't changing anytime soon either.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #5216 on: February 01, 2017, 06:59:34 am »
Personally in a lot of cases I'd rather there were a slim chance of a guilty person going free than a slim chance of an innocent person being wrongly punished but I know not everyone shares that view :P

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation

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Re: Politics
« Reply #5217 on: February 01, 2017, 07:24:35 am »
I don't trust that Blackstone did the research on that. Oh the number just so happens to be exactly ten???

We need to run some global surveys and properly figure out how many guilty people going free balances out how many innocents being punished.

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Re: Politics
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« Reply #5219 on: February 01, 2017, 08:09:57 am »
I had the first lecture for Metaethics today. Pretty neat.

Turns out there are four kinds of people. Realists, Anti-Realists, Skeptics and Cognitive Realists (Quasi-Realists).
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