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Offline Demorgora

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Do we really need another Sim game?
« on: May 15, 2005, 11:13:55 am »
The whole concept has been done time and time again. They should simply scrap the whole design and turn it into an FPS.



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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2005, 11:29:02 am »
This is a joke right?  Do you realize how ambitious and original this game is?  The game spans the entire history of a species.  Not just any species, but your own species that you build.  You can evolve to them point where you can build spaceships and go literally anywhere in the games universe (which i'm assuming is beyond huge).

Aside from all of that, the way this game is being devoloped is groundbreaking.  The game is being done with no pre-created animations.  They have no animators.  Its all done through code / mathematics.  I'm assuming it cuts the budget for making the game dramatically and also gives the game a lot more variety. Not only that, but it allows us them to have these creatures in an insanely small amount of data.

Common man, an fps?  That whole genre is done to death.  This is actually original and unique.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2005, 11:51:05 am »
Sim-FPS, a game where you create a race of gentle creatures so you can shoot them all with a nailgun.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2005, 11:52:18 am »
Come on, don't tell me you're really falling for this evolution mumbo jumbo. I've seen it time and time again with Sim Earth and Sim Life.

What we really need is an FPS that deals with fighting demons and zombies.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2005, 11:54:47 am »
Or, a game where you have to raise a family, build them a home and get them all good jobs, then they have to survive a zombie holocaust.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2005, 11:59:22 am »
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Zombie holocaust.
Hey, instead of FPS, lets make it online, third person isometric. You'll kill minor zombies, so you can get stronger, so you can kill better zombies, so you can get stronger, so you can kill tough zombies. We'll just keep it going and see how long suckers...er.....customers will play!



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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2005, 12:01:17 pm »
All great and original ideas. See! Isn't this a thousand times better than that Spore crap?

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2005, 12:03:15 pm »
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2005, 12:14:13 pm »
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Quit being a chav. Thanks.

Since when is expressing an opinion a crime? You're simply a bloody fascist that fails to recognize the truth in what I say!
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2005, 12:15:05 pm »
Another great and totally useful post by Demorgora...

Please, if you think the game is a tired and useless concept... go think up your own FPS (as if that genre isn't tired ::)) and leave us alone. Yes I may seem hostile. But I really do not appreciate being referred to as a "brainwashed thrall" by somebody who knows very little about me.

And before you attempt to, don't bother using the word "asinine" in an insult yet again; it just makes you look like you try too hard.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2005, 12:16:40 pm »
Haha, "ass"inine

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2005, 12:18:56 pm »
Another great and totally useful post by Demorgora...

Please, if you think the game is a tired and useless concept... go think up your own FPS (as if that genre isn't tired ::)) and leave us alone. Yes I may seem hostile. But I really do not appreciate being referred to as a "brainwashed thrall" by somebody who knows very little about me.

And before you attempt to, don't bother using the word "asinine" in an insult yet again; it just makes you look like you try too hard.

Heh, must you spew this tripe on a thread completely unrelated to what we were discussing before? I must have hurt your feelings, but the truth is the truth and if you wish to argue with me about it, respond in the proper thread, that is if you can even conjure up an argument to defend yourself.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2005, 12:20:19 pm »
That thread has been locked.

Regardless, I think this is a lame thread. No matter who started it.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2005, 12:21:27 pm »
That thread has been locked.

Regardless, I think this is a lame thread. No matter who started it.

That is unfortunate. I was having quite a time with it, too.


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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2005, 12:33:46 pm »
Just as you find it futile to argue with a "brainwashed thrall" so do I.

I guess I wasn't as reactionary and JIHADI on your ass as you hoped. Just do me one favour and read the damn book before you preach your own divine wisdom over it.

You seem really ignorant.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2005, 12:37:03 pm »
Just as you find it futile to argue with a "brainwashed thrall" so do I.

I guess I wasn't as reactionary and JIHADI on your ass as you hoped. Just do me one favour and read the damn book before you preach your own divine wisdom over it.

You seem really ignorant.

Oh, and what evidence do you have to back that up? Also, how do you know I haven't read the Qu`ran and discussed it with many prominent Muslims? Ah, yeah, you don't.

Islam is a religion of complete and utter thralldom to god, even moreso than Christianity and other religions of that nature.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2005, 12:39:45 pm »
Oh nothing, except you went a tad quiet when I mentioned hadith and surah. (yes google that now, there you go)
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2005, 12:42:50 pm »
Even more amusing is the fact that you never mentioned them once.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2005, 12:48:19 pm »
"I would really be interested in what aspect you find utterly "illogical".. do you have a specific surah or hadith? (if you even know what that means)."

Anyway let's get back to the topic at hand. The sheer lameness of this thread.
Unless your joking that is... which I kind of hope so.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2005, 01:13:26 pm »
This should definately be a FPS..... A first person simulator.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2005, 02:03:41 pm »
All genres have been done to death, what else is new.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2005, 02:05:04 pm »
All genres have been done to death, what else is new.

Which is why it should be an FPS as they're fresh and exciting. Not only that, but they appeal to kids and we need a larger audience for the game to be any good.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2005, 02:40:30 pm »
we need a larger audience for the game to be any good.

Sorry, simply not true. Besides, I'm sure they'll emphasise the "From the creators of THE SIMS, comes..." bit on the advertising.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2005, 02:56:50 pm »
I've had an even more brilliant idea! Turn the game into a level-based MMO in which you fight rats and such to become more proficient as a warrior or wizard.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2005, 02:57:16 pm »
This is clearly a troll thread. But hey what the hell, whatever keeps the forums active.

There is a perfectly huge audience for creative games, and the FPS market is utterly glutted to hell. Sim-games are relatively uncommon. Creative games would, logically, find a much more diverse market than "World War II Episode XXVIVIV: In 3D!", which really only sells to casual-gamer young men and FPS-fanatics. (okay I buy every 4th WWII game that comes out, but that's besides the point)

Besides there's plenty of freaky cool FPS games on the horizon, the bar for Spore in the genre that it's in(whatever that is) has the bar set much much lower. I don't know of Maxis having ever made an FPS, they could barely keep up let alone innovate in that excessivel played-out genre. Simulators is what they do, it's where they excel.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2005, 03:58:30 pm »
an FPS involving shooting zombies and demons.

sorry but isn't that like every other game on the market?

And the Simulation genre hasn't been overdone, its actually just overcrowded by a lot of shoddly done "Tycoon" games. (that doen't include roller coaster tycoon. that is a good game. I mean games like Fast Food Tycoon, Cruise Tycoon, Etc...)

Then again, I suppose you're just a diffrent kind of gamer. (The kind that would rather mindlessly shoot at everything he sees and watch all the blood pour out then actually think and plan a little bit.)
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2005, 04:02:43 pm »
Just because there aren't a load of horrible simulation games doesn't mean they haven't been overdone.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2005, 04:11:01 pm »
You just used a triple negitive and i'm a little confused. you mind simplifiing it a little? lol.

Still, a good game in any genre (overdone or not) desirves to be played. any gamer will tell you that. spore will be a good game.

And Demorgora, you're starting to make it wildly obvious you're just trying to get on everyone's nerves and have everyone at each others throats.

I've had an even more brilliant idea! Turn the game into a level-based MMO in which you fight rats and such to become more proficient as a warrior or wizard.

Really now. You're making it blatently obvious you're trolling.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2005, 05:07:35 pm »
Yeesh.  People get a bit too wound up here.  Look, Will Wright has had this dream for years.  I feel it will be a complilation of genres that will bridge the technology gap and show that some seriously fun stuff can be done with procedural math.  If you want a procedural FPS, download .kkreiger from www.theprodukkt.com.  I think that IF procedural games catch on and devs see the merit of it (as this is a launch point for a new vision on gaming, not just another evolution sim), then we'll see those really good FPS games that fit on one CD again.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2005, 10:27:01 pm »
What about an RPG-FPS.

We'll just take Halo, add alot of boring dialogue, and make the battles really long and boring.

And zombies, of course.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2005, 10:41:25 am »
My complementary summary of this topic:

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I think this is a joke, but I'm not sure. I do think it would be neat to be able to go into first person mode and charge around with your creature going Quake on those fool spiders, ala Dungeon Keeper's "possess" spell, and it would be even more awesome if your creatures made armor and wacky guns and rocket launchers for you to use; heck, they could make nutty floating arenas in the sky with jump pads!

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2005, 10:50:11 am »
It'd make a good mod; having little arena-like planets for the creatures to bash each other about on with railguns.

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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2005, 10:57:02 am »
Perhaps if spore was just 'another sim game' then no, but spore, to my knowledge, is going to be ground breaking, technologically as well as the entire game concept, and yes i am aware of sim earth but spore will be so much bigger it will be the benchmark for new games of its  type (if anyone else can create a game which will be like spore)

Just look at Half Life 2, just another FPS? No Half Life 2 is now he benchmark for all future FPSs of the same type, HL2 brought innovative AI and physics and rejuvinated a slightly stagnated genre, although there are still lots of great FPSs out there.

Spore will be the  HL2 of sim games. but more so.


Although with FPSs i cant wait to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R, lots of good AI and physics ideas in that game.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2005, 11:46:11 am »
I dont know how people can criticize this game, its a purely original idea. If you want a first person shooter with custom models, go download/make a mod for HL2 or something
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2005, 08:10:03 pm »
Of course it's a joke. God.

"What we need is more games where you kill zombies and demons". How could he slip this one by you guys? Don't tell me we've really reached the stage where the raving fans can't handle criticism, no matter how ridiculous.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2005, 08:57:56 pm »
I got that.  I really hope he's not serious... as we have enough of those games to go around for the next decade.  But it is fun to see how many people get ruffled up over suggesting the Spore is a bad idea.
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Re: Do we really need another Sim game?
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2005, 12:48:05 am »
He's just trolling.

He loves arguments I guess. Fair play.
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