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« on: March 18, 2006, 09:41:25 pm »
movies 2-3 sucked. the story sucked. neo sucked. but i shall worship this movie because of smith. /discuss


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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2006, 03:00:32 am »
Agent Smith= Good

First movie= Good

All things that followed the first one= Bad.

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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2006, 07:56:09 am »
i enjoyed the 3rd one solely for the fight in zion (what can i say? i have a soft spot for battles... :D)

but yeah, other than that, it sucked...
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2006, 09:33:28 am »
Maybe if we're lucky we'll get an inverse of what happened with Star Wars, twenty years later we'l get sequels that kick ass  :D

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2006, 10:01:19 am »
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2006, 10:14:31 am »
Just watch reloaded without the sex scene and the Archiatect, and it's good.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2006, 10:15:51 am »
teal'c: Indeed.

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2006, 10:51:23 am »
i enjoyed the 3rd one solely for the fight in zion (what can i say? i have a soft spot for battles... :D)

but yeah, other than that, it sucked...

Most of the battle scenes were really good, but the rest of the movies weren't really good.

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2006, 11:58:41 am »
i forgot to ad the music. ive been listening to big brawl for hours!
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2006, 12:16:19 pm »
The problem with the Matrix series was that to 'mystery' of the matrix was effectively done with at the end of the first movie. Only hardcore geeks and fans were going to really care about the second and third episode 'background story'. To deliver such a story in a pair of 120 minute chunks that was impossible. Now, you have to add the 'love story' and all the other odds and ends to it as well.

'The Matrix' 'trilogy' really isn't just the three movies. In fact when you watch the three movies you spend a lot of time wondering 'what part of the story did I just miss'? The reason, MATRIX was a multi-media story based on animation (The Animatrix), Video Games, and a few selected short stories. In theory... neat idea.. in practice a disaster.

The annoying boy in the thrid movie that keeps praising Neo as his savior, Animatrix
How the muscle car got behind the semi in the second movie, The video game.
The 'message from the Osirus', the Animatrix
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Having seen it all, it makes a lot more sense, and you get a better story. But people want to be entertained... forcing them through a stilted video game, not a great idea.

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2006, 06:47:28 pm »
Does anyone know if any of the fan sites or what not have done anything with the other versions of the matrix. Like martics 4.0,(because there were other versions of the matrix before the events of the movie took place). I liked the matrix universe and i think it previous versions of the matrix can undo the damage the 2nd and 3rd movies (mostly the 3rd, i liked most of the 2nd).
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2006, 01:55:56 pm »
I didnt even bother to watch the third film. The second one was pointless and from what Ive heard they compromised their original concept for the sake of making it a trilogy.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2006, 10:15:11 am »
I do like the second one from an action movie standpoint.

I do not consider any of them having anythign to do with the first movie.

The third one was crap and a half...except for the mech battle in zion.

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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2006, 06:57:45 pm »
The first one was the only one i could say was good the other 2 were entertaining but crappy in all other respects.

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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2006, 03:00:56 am »
Damn Matrix fanboys. Why does everyone rip on the 2nd and 3rd movies?
I enjoyed them! alot!! I thought they were entertaining and intense.

oh, and I ****en love the Animatrix, that DVD kicks some serious ass!!

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2006, 07:09:49 am »
Damn Matrix fanboys. Why does everyone rip on the 2nd and 3rd movies?
I enjoyed them! alot!! I thought they were entertaining and intense.

oh, and I ****en love the Animatrix, that DVD kicks some serious ass!!

True story on the Animatrix! Love the Samurai simulator and the history episodes. Oh, and I'm not a Matrix fanboy, I only saw The Matrix the day before i saw Reloaded. I had no time to become a fanboy. Even from something as simple as cinemtography or even lighting, The Matrix looks and feels nothing like the sequals. I think they should've ended the story with the first one, at least from a movie standpoint. The story would make a much better anime or graphic novel then movies. I happen to like both sequal movies, but as if they were standing seperate from the first movie. They feel the same, but nothing like the original.

Anyway, I do like most everything the Watchowsky Brothers have done so far (especially V for Vendetta!), but I think they should've moved the Matrix story into a medium where they wouldn't have had to deal with soem random moments of crap CGI.

Oh, and I think the dialouge in the third movie could've been written much better, except for Morpheous' speech in the great hall...I loved that.

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2006, 07:41:06 am »
The Animatrix was ok, until the Second Renaissance. There were so many plot holes in those two that it hurt.

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2006, 07:48:05 am »
The Animatrix was ok, until the Second Renaissance. There were so many plot holes in those two that it hurt.

For example?

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2006, 08:35:18 am »
Why didn't the robots die from the EMP blast from the atombombs the humans dropped on their city? The announcer said the reason the atombombs weren't very efficient were because the heat and radiating that causes humans so much trouble, weren't that effective on the robots, but they didn't say any thing about the EMP blast that come from the bomb.

Why did the humans even let the bots make their own city in the first place? They made such a big deal about killing them all and destroying them, and yet the humans let the robots grow their city into a economical and industrial power house. Why?

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2006, 08:47:05 am »
Good point. I never really thought about that.

I just hope people won't create real AI...the whole AI becoming sentient and becoming a lifeform is too real of a possibility. I think we should stick with un-sentient computers and leave it that way. Creating slaves is a bad move, we just shouldn't go there. If or when we do

Okay, so I watch too much Star Trek and read too much Asimov.

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2006, 08:53:13 am »
That is another thing, why did the humans create fully sentient life to do slave job when time and time again that has only show to cause uprising and revolt. And on the subject of Asimov, where were the three rules of robotics? Creating a fully sentient species of robots and then not include some protection in them is pure madness. It would be like a slave dealer from the 1700 century giving his entire slave crew weapons and then disarming his own men.

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2006, 09:02:10 am »
Of course, but still. It would be nice if it made sense at the same time.

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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2006, 01:40:50 pm »
Does anyone think that the movie iRobot was a rip off from the 1st & 2nd Renaissance?

It just seemed to similar for me, although it is a pretty overused storyline in alot of sci-fi movies, with the robots turning on humanity and all.

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2006, 01:51:48 pm »
I,Robot was inspired by the Robot books from Isaac Asimov (one of the best Sci Fi writers ever). The robots in I,Robot were trying to protect humans from themselves, because of a logic "flaw" in the three laws of robotics. However the robots did so in a pretty fascist way.

While in Matrix the robots were just trying to kil or enslave the humans, because the humans tried to kill them. The concept of a robot committing a crime and having feelings is in both and in both it sets of a chain of events (though in I,Robot it was gonna happen anyway), but the Matrix has ripped of a hole lot of sci fi stories. So the Matrix did it first, of the two, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they invented it.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2006, 07:29:30 am »
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2006, 08:11:43 am »
I,Robot was inspired by the Robot books from Isaac Asimov (one of the best Sci Fi writers ever). The robots in I,Robot were trying to protect humans from themselves, because of a logic "flaw" in the three laws of robotics. However the robots did so in a pretty fascist way.

The film "I, Robot" is more about the "0th law" - which technically speaking cannot exist unless deliberately built into the robots in question (though I believe Asimov wrote that the robots developed it themselves through self-modification in combination with telepathic abilities). The film's events are a bit of a sham, really - VIKI would be totally incapable of disregarding the 1st law even if she could see the logic of the 0th, because of the fundamental manner of the laws' integration into all robots.

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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2006, 06:43:53 pm »
Actually I think Azimov intended that the 0th law be an emergent property of the 1st law.  Any sufficiently intelligent robot would naturally extend the principle from individual humans to humanity as a whole.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2006, 02:35:52 am »
Actually I think Azimov intended that the 0th law be an emergent property of the 1st law.  Any sufficiently intelligent robot would naturally extend the principle from individual humans to humanity as a whole.

"In the final scenes of the novel Robots and Empire, R. Giskard Reventlov is the first robot to act according to the Zeroth Law, although it proves destructive to his positronic brain, as he is not certain as to whether his choice will turn out to be for the ultimate good of humanity or not. Giskard is telepathic, like the robot Herbie in the short story "Liar!", and he comes to his understanding of the Zeroth Law through his understanding of a more subtle concept of "harm" than most robots can grasp. However, unlike Herbie, Giskard grasps the philosophical concept of the Zeroth Law, allowing him to harm individual human beings if he can do so in service to the abstract concept of humanity. The Zeroth Law is never programmed into Giskard's brain, but instead is a rule he attempts to rationalize through pure metacognition; though he fails, he gives his successor, R. Daneel Olivaw, his telepathic abilities. Over the course of many thousand years, Daneel adapts himself to be able to fully obey the Zeroth Law."

Most robots would not be capable of determining the zeroth law, even in terms of probabilities. An effect on humanity as a whole is a nebulous concept, sufficiently so that no person or robot would really ever be able to determine it themselves and be totally sure that this outweighed the first law. Besides which, it is doubtful that any normal robot that was not telepathic would be able to grasp the concept of different types of harm. Let's also not forget that any robot would be rendered completely inoperable before it could come near to deliberately breaking the first law in any way and only through self-modification would this be possible. I doubt VIKI was nearly intelligent enough for the necessary metacognition, she was certainly not telepathic, and should not have been capable of self-modification to the point where she could engineer out the first law entirely.

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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2006, 02:42:47 am »
Okay, this is going off topic.

...Who else thinks the black storm is actually working as a giant photovoltaic panel for the robots?
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2006, 05:24:11 am »
That would be right you start talking about some zeroth law so i go wikipedia it to find out what it is about 15 minutes later after reading the article getting side tracked and ultimately reading an article about the simpsons I find a bit down the page someone has linked to the 3rd law anyway.

To the origional topic I liked the 2nd movie I thought it was cool. the 3rd one however sucked.

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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2006, 07:31:47 pm »
Ahem.  Black cloud.  Also I like Gaiman's idea he advenced in the matrix comic he did.  He said the humans were actually being used as computer banks for the machines, which makes a lot more sense than using us as batteries.
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2006, 10:09:24 pm »
2 and 3 were so awful  :'( Although I did like the Animatrix.

According to Wikipedia (so I cna't say how certain I am). They say the Wachowski brothers were going to pick Brandon Lee as their first choice. I wish he was still around so he could have done a much better job the Keanu Reeves.
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2006, 12:14:44 pm »
The dialogue of the two sequels was awful. They let the critics praise of their good dialogue in the first movie go to their head. Consequently they tried to be "deeper" and more meaningful than they should have, basically trying to explain all the philosophical questions raised, rather than leaving it up to the viewer.


And someone(didn't want to spoil it) had a deathscene near the end that lasted WAY WAY TOO LONG.

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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2006, 11:45:23 am »
It really irked me how the movies moved from focusing on The Matrix to focusing on Zion.. I don't know why but I really didn't like that.
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