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« on: April 21, 2005, 10:55:25 am »
One of my favorite books of all time.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2005, 02:46:50 pm »
Haven't read it, but it is in consideration. I'll be interested to hear what other people thought of it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2005, 07:23:51 pm »
I haven't read it since ... 1985. Damn, 20 years ago?!? I am freaking old...

I need to reread it but I actually remember lot of things from that book. I remember the scene where Ender kills the troll, the big fleet with "the planet" at the end, the entire concept of the Internet, and lots more.

I never read the sequels, but I should reread that book.

On a sidenote I just saw Ben Bova speak a few weeks ago at the Icon convention on Long Island. Ben Bova was the person who first "discovered" Orson Scott Card and was the first person to read Ender's Game (it was submitted to him when he was an editor). Very interesting man Ben Bova, he had a great speech where he talked about witnessing technology change over the past 70 years and how it has helped mankind. Freaking amazing when you hear him talk about life in the 1930s and just how different the world is today.

But perhaps the saddest part was right after his speech the same room was showing pictures of vehicles and creatures from the original Star Wars and the new series and comparing them. What was sad was that 10 times more people interesting seeing that stupid show than wanted to hear Ben Bova speak, I had to fight a freaking mob to get out of the room.

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Re: Ender's Game
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2005, 06:32:49 am »
havnt read it but my friends say they like it
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Re: Ender's Game
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2005, 11:27:24 am »
I really liked Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead.  My girlfriend has read more of the series and enjoys the Ender's Shadow series as well.  She'd be the one to ask about but she is too busy being productive and Canadian. -leeman

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2005, 08:33:36 pm »
Ender's Game is incredible.

...but you guys should read Card's other books as well. They are all amazing. I suggest reading the Alvin Maker series, and the Homecoming Series. And then grab Pas****ch: The Redemption of Christopher Colombus, and Enchantment. And you might want to read Treason and then...

Ah, what the heck, just read all of his books!  :)

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Re: Ender's Game
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2005, 04:46:48 pm »
Well, I also read Ender's shadow (it has a series!?!?!?), SFTD, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind. In addition, I own several others of his books- I won't bother listing them.

Are the rest of his books anywhere near that good?
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2005, 05:41:08 am »
Ender's Shadow has a series. Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, and the newest one is Shadow of the Giant.

Hm...it's hard to compare his books to each other, but they are all very good.

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Re: Ender's Game
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2005, 12:51:27 pm »
I've read (of the series)
Ender's game
Speaker for the dead
Xenocide
Children of the mind
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Ender's shadow
(Haven't gotten around to reading the rest of the alternate series)

Imho, extremely good books, though I thought xenocide was a little dry...
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2005, 11:49:29 pm »
woohoo enders shadow

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2005, 05:04:43 pm »
This is the book I always recommend to someone who doesn't "get" science fiction.  OSC is a really good author.  He's writing columns online at www.HatrackRiver.com and www.ornery.org.  (the column up right now about parenting is a classic).  Today, I found that he's got his own cafepress shop, but I don't get the Dragon Army reference - then again, I haven't read Children of the Mind or any of the alternate Ender series books.  And I haven't read the last few Alvin Maker books.  Man, this is going to be a busy summer between all the reading I've got to catch up on, a new Harry Potter book, movies, etc...

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 08:03:13 pm »
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This is the book I always recommend to someone who doesn't "get" science fiction.  OSC is a really good author.  He's writing columns online at www.HatrackRiver.com and www.ornery.org.  (the column up right now about parenting is a classic).  Today, I found that he's got his own cafepress shop, but I don't get the Dragon Army reference - then again, I haven't read Children of the Mind or any of the alternate Ender series books.  And I haven't read the last few Alvin Maker books.  Man, this is going to be a busy summer between all the reading I've got to catch up on, a new Harry Potter book, movies, etc...

Actually, it's just www.hatrack.com, not hatrackriver.com. ^_^

Anyway, you guys should check out his forums over there. Some pretty neat people. (And OSC actually visits and posts there quite often!) I'm on as aragorn64 there, so if you guys see me be sure to say hi.

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Re: Ender's Game
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2005, 04:42:40 pm »
Oddly enough, I just bought the book today. If it's as good as all of you say it is, I should have it read by the end of the month, if not sooner.
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2005, 08:53:17 pm »
Probably one of my favorite books of all time.  I reread it just a few months ago.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2005, 08:14:39 am »
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Re: Ender's Game
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2005, 06:57:41 am »
I've read (and own):

Ender's Game -------> Children of the Mind
Ender's Shadow -------> Shaddow Puppets

I have read all the above books twice, and Ender's Game Several times.

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2005, 01:01:55 pm »
I read Ender's Game in a single sitting. It's the only book I own that's not dog-eared because of that. I read the rest of the quartet over the next week. So glad I bought them all at once.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2005, 02:42:08 pm »
I read Ender's Game in a single sitting. It's the only book I own that's not dog-eared because of that. I read the rest of the quartet over the next week. So glad I bought them all at once.

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Can't think of anything else to say except, the Ender/Bean series is the best ever.

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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2005, 11:06:54 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2006, 06:44:32 pm »
the only thing i dont like about his books is I have to go to the young adult area to get them
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2006, 10:35:54 pm »
omg, are you phicik or sumthin! 
 :o I was just about to say that that was my fav. book of ALL TIME!!! i just got finished reading speaker for the dead an loved it.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2006, 06:35:49 am »
I really enjoyed this book. I read it after reading the Halo books and it almost made it seem like Ender was John. The stories seemed to kind of mesh and it was really cool. Havent bothered to read the other ones because I get confused on the order of them.

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2006, 04:38:53 pm »
I really enjoyed this book. I read it after reading the Halo books and it almost made it seem like Ender was John. The stories seemed to kind of mesh and it was really cool. Havent bothered to read the other ones because I get confused on the order of them.

Okay, here is the order:

Ender's Game
Speaker for the Dead
Xenocide
Children of the Mind

And Bean's series:

Ender's Shadow
Shadow of the Hegemon
Shadow Puppets
Shadow of the Giant

The Ender and Bean ones can be read independently of each other, but having read one will greatly enhance the other.

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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2006, 10:03:53 pm »
My thoughts on enders game

You gotta love reading about six year olds decking their buddies.

I read this when i was about 8(seriously, belive it or not, im not totally stupid), probably the first book i read that had actuall human emotion in it, i mean, sure the cat in the hat has great characters ::)...

i havn't read any of the other books in the series, and the only other thing i've seen involving Card was The Iron man stuff.
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2006, 05:36:01 pm »
I've herd people love the 1st book, but hate the sequals. Why do you think they feal that way?

I've only read the 1st one, but I liked it. I'm not sure if I want to read the others

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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2006, 05:42:02 pm »
I've herd people love the 1st book, but hate the sequals. Why do you think they feal that way?

I've only read the 1st one, but I liked it. I'm not sure if I want to read the others

Well, that's your loss then. I happen to think they are great. Well worth a read. (In my opinion)

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2006, 05:48:43 pm »
I didn't say I wasnít going to read them. I'm just hesitant to because of what I herd about them. Do you know if they are different in some way to turn off fans? If not, I might end up reading them if I find time

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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2006, 05:51:06 pm »
I didn't say I wasnít going to read them. I'm just hesitant to because of what I herd about them. Do you know if they are different in some way to turn off fans? If not, I might end up reading them if I find time

They are more complex, and Ender is not a child anymore. I guess those might turn someone off.

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2006, 05:34:06 pm »
Nah, I think there increased complexity makes them far more intriguing than if they were still put from a child's perspective, plus it wouldn't be able to convoy the transition from Xenocide to Speaker as the same person.

I agree totally, I actually like the last books more than the first (not that the first is by any means not good). But some people don't read it before they decide. :-\ Those people don't know what they are missing.

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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2006, 05:45:50 pm »
Ender's Game was great, and the sequals to that one definitly gave some provocative thinking about concepts I normally don't address. Now, Bean's series, those are freakin' awsome. I love the manipulation of global politics, plus Bean is just cool. I just picked up the soft-cover of Shadow of the Giant and I'm almost done reading it, I'm loving what's going on. If you like Ender's Game, but aren't a fan of the sequals to it do yourself a favor and pick up the ones about Bean, you don't be dissapointed in the least, they take place imidietly after Ender's Game and they finish up that part of the story. Plus you get to read about all your favorite Battle School kids.
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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2006, 08:10:26 pm »
It's only at the end of the Saga cause those are the last ones he wrote. Aside from Ender's Shadow they don't reveal anything meaningful about the other series. Ender's Shadow and Ender's Game are the same book written from different points of view, this might sound dumb but he does it very well and it's worth it to read both of them.
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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2006, 01:12:49 pm »
I loved ender's game loved xenocide. Beans' books i liked but got turned off by the last on, seemed to be more about Pro-life vs. prochoice issues. What gets me the most about the bean books is that the made peter stupid. Everyone is smarter then Peter, it drives me crazy. In EG Peter was Smart and Evil, now he's just a ***** cat. >:(
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2006, 06:32:32 pm »
Everyone IS smarter than Peter. Peter's not dumb, but if it came to working a military any of the Battle Schoolers could beat him. As for the whole pro-life thing, yeah I noticed that too, but hey, the author's a mormon, and Bean was raised by a Catholic NUN. I think I can make some lee-way.
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2006, 12:25:31 pm »
I enjoyed Ender's Game quite a bit, and it is actually my best friend's favorite book of all time. I cannot speculate as to how many times he's actually read the thing -- at least a hundred. The sequels weren't worth reading, IMO, simply because he stopped being Ender due to the events of the 1st book. Ender's Shadow and the resulting offshoot series has actually be remarkably good, however, and I would recommend them to anyone that enjoyed Ender's Game.

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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2006, 11:29:41 pm »
I just finished Ender's Game. Great book and I wasn't quite expecting the twist at the end.  I'm starting the 2nd book now, Speaker for the Dead.

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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2006, 03:04:05 pm »
I really enjoyed this book. I read it after reading the Halo books and it almost made it seem like Ender was John. The stories seemed to kind of mesh and it was really cool. Havent bothered to read the other ones because I get confused on the order of them.

Okay, here is the order:

Ender's Game
Speaker for the Dead
Xenocide
Children of the Mind

And Bean's series:

Ender's Shadow
Shadow of the Hegemon
Shadow Puppets
Shadow of the Giant

The Ender and Bean ones can be read independently of each other, but having read one will greatly enhance the other.

Are you sure thatís the right order? My mom got me Xenocide and Ender's Shadow for Easter. She says that she got her info from his site. Did he write them in a different order or something? Thanks

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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2006, 09:48:47 pm »
Are you sure thatís the right order? My mom got me Xenocide and Ender's Shadow for Easter. She says that she got her info from his site. Did he write them in a different order or something? Thanks

yes the list looks right to me. I just relized I never read shadow of the giant, I need to get reading!
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2006, 12:53:35 pm »
Oh boy... I'm reading Speaker for the dead, but I keep getting lost. All these wired names that make it hard to remember who is who, and then it switches languages with out warning.

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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2006, 09:30:56 pm »
Thats the book I am on, Speaker for the Dead. It is different than Ender's Game and I wish it didn't have so much language changes but the story is good. I'm more than half way through now. And the order according the the front cover is just as Oviraptor said.

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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2006, 10:15:03 pm »
Have you guys read this. Mainly the part about the controversy around enders game.

Also, on that note. What is the difference between xenocide and genocide? Or is it the same thing?

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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2006, 05:54:13 am »
Have you guys read this. Mainly the part about the controversy around enders game.

Also, on that note. What is the difference between xenocide and genocide? Or is it the same thing?


Xenocide is when you kill the unknown (like killing the buggers, they knew of them, but did not know them). Genocide is when you kill an entire race, culture, nationality, etc.

Well, here is it straight from Orson Scott Card's own mouth: (or his hand, I guess) http://www.hatrack.com/research/questions/index.shtml You'll have to browse a while to find what your looking for though.
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2006, 02:16:22 pm »
Have you guys read this. Mainly the part about the controversy around enders game.

Also, on that note. What is the difference between xenocide and genocide? Or is it the same thing?


Xenocide is when you kill the unknown (like killing the buggers, they knew of them, but did not know them). Genocide is when you kill an entire race, culture, nationality, etc.

Well, here is it straight from Orson Scott Card's own mouth: (or his hand, I guess) http://www.hatrack.com/research/questions/index.shtml You'll have to browse a while to find what your looking for though.

http://www.hatrack.com/research/questions/q0122.shtml

Lol, I forgot he was LDS like me. And he's right; none of our beliefs are any where in the books.

They have hated us for years. If you didn't know, we were forced out of sever states early on because of what we believed in. Freedom of religion?! HA!

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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2006, 07:25:03 am »
I'm going to say this for everyone's benefit. Speaker of the Dead and Xenocide are not terribly good; they spend so much time on bizarre scientific theories and sort of lose track of the amazing qualities that Ender possesses. I trudged my way through them. Children of the Mind is an improvement over those two, but you can't understand what's happening in it if you haven't read the 2nd and 3rd books. Even so, it's still sub-par after the stellar Ender's Game. In truth, I've felt the greatest successor to Ender's Game was Bean's series. It feels like Ender's Game, or at least a straight continuation from it. Spending more time with Peter, who is possibly my favorite character from the series apart from Ender, is awesomely fun. The series really runs with Bean most of the time, but Peter stands out in every scene even when he's being made to look like an idiot.

And I disagree that Peter isn't as smart as the Battle School kids. With the exception of Ender and Bean, Peter's the smartest person around. He doesn't know as much about military tactics and the like because he never went to Battle School. Otherwise, he's tough to beat. [There is actually one person smarter than Peter other than those two, but it's sort of surprising who that is if you've only read Ender's Game and I don't want to spoil it for anyone; it's a great scene.] In fact, I'd say all the Wiggins children compare very favorably with the vast majority of Ender's jeesh in terms of intelligence.

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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2006, 02:17:53 pm »
Can someone with Enders shadow grab there book and help me out.

I'm listening to the book on CD so I can't re read this very easily. I'm at the part were bean is like struggling with his school work, and ends up putting something like 2+2=BS+N. I know thereís a joke in there somewhere, but I don't see it >_<

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« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2006, 04:48:35 pm »
Ender's Shadow is the only one of those books I don't own  :-\ I checked it out from the library to see if it was any good, and I have a hard time buying a book I've already read.
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Re: Ender's Game
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2006, 06:03:11 pm »
Ender's Shadow is the only one of those books I don't own† :-\ I checked it out from the library to see if it was any good, and I have a hard time buying a book I've already read.

If you buy it, you can reread it whenever you want. I have read the four Ender books three times. Only once each for Bean's though.

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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2006, 06:44:04 pm »
I'm working my way through them, and have been alternating back and forth between Ender's series and the Shadow series. I actually thought Xenocide and Speker for the dead were quite good. I think Xenocide would make an excellent movie.
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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2006, 04:44:19 pm »
Yeah, well if I want to reread it I can always go buy it. Usually though I like to wait a few years between reading books so I forget all the little details and can be suprised all over again.
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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2006, 04:47:45 pm »
Yeah, well if I want to reread it I can always go buy it. Usually though I like to wait a few years between reading books so I forget all the little details and can be suprised all over again.

Same here. It's one of the only books I've read over again. The only problem is that I tend to hyperfocus on reading once I start, so I don't get much else done.

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« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2006, 09:07:04 am »
Just read Ender's game. Very good I must say. The translation(my library seems to be allergic to English language sci-fi) left something to be desired but I was hooked pretty much the whole time. (How do you translate such an expression as "the buggers" correctly. :P) What fascinated me the most was the idea of the "nets". I mean, we're on one right now!  :D Everything else was fantastic too, the whole psychological take worked very well. I have no idea how to get the sequels... I reckon I'll have to buy them. I really look forward to the movie too(2 years wait, sigh).

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« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2006, 01:56:05 pm »
Just read Ender's game. Very good I must say. The translation(my library seems to be allergic to English language sci-fi) left something to be desired but I was hooked pretty much the whole time. (How do you translate such an expression as "the buggers" correctly. :P) What fascinated me the most was the idea of the "nets". I mean, we're on one right now!† :D Everything else was fantastic too, the whole psychological take worked very well. I have no idea how to get the sequels... I reckon I'll have to buy them. I really look forward to the movie too(2 years wait, sigh).
Keep waiting, my friend. I'll be shocked when Hollywood allows a movie featuring people under thirteen years of age beating one another to death.

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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2006, 02:05:57 pm »
Just read Ender's game. Very good I must say. The translation(my library seems to be allergic to English language sci-fi) left something to be desired but I was hooked pretty much the whole time. (How do you translate such an expression as "the buggers" correctly. :P) What fascinated me the most was the idea of the "nets". I mean, we're on one right now!  :D Everything else was fantastic too, the whole psychological take worked very well. I have no idea how to get the sequels... I reckon I'll have to buy them. I really look forward to the movie too(2 years wait, sigh).
Keep waiting, my friend. I'll be shocked when Hollywood allows a movie featuring people under thirteen years of age beating one another to death.

If you listen to Enders shadow on CD you get a really cool moment with the author about the movie. Everyone he went to wanted to change ender to 16, and maybe give him a love interest or bring his brother into space  ::)

Eventually he found someone who would do it with the kids at the right age.

Also, it turns out he found some kids around the right age who did a play of pettier pan. Supposedly they are really good actors

Oh, and they are going to combine Enders game and Enders shadow into one movie. So bean an ender will talk a lot more so they can get the emotions on screen

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« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2006, 08:13:29 am »
Just read Ender's game. Very good I must say. The translation(my library seems to be allergic to English language sci-fi) left something to be desired but I was hooked pretty much the whole time. (How do you translate such an expression as "the buggers" correctly. :P) What fascinated me the most was the idea of the "nets". I mean, we're on one right now!† :D Everything else was fantastic too, the whole psychological take worked very well. I have no idea how to get the sequels... I reckon I'll have to buy them. I really look forward to the movie too(2 years wait, sigh).
Keep waiting, my friend. I'll be shocked when Hollywood allows a movie featuring people under thirteen years of age beating one another to death.

If you listen to Enders shadow on CD you get a really cool moment with the author about the movie. Everyone he went to wanted to change ender to 16, and maybe give him a love interest or bring his brother into space† ::)

Eventually he found someone who would do it with the kids at the right age.

Also, it turns out he found some kids around the right age who did a play of pettier pan. Supposedly they are really good actors

Oh, and they are going to combine Enders game and Enders shadow into one movie. So bean an ender will talk a lot more so they can get the emotions on screen

I'm just saying. I think it's possible to do an Ender's Game film; I really do, even keeping the kids the right age. But I think they're going to massively tone-down or outrightly take out the fight at the beginning and the one in the shower. Which to me are two pivotal moments in Ender's life and should not be cut out or edited; they are important to his mindset.

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« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2006, 04:37:44 pm »
I'm just saying. I think it's possible to do an Ender's Game film; I really do, even keeping the kids the right age. But I think they're going to massively tone-down or outrightly take out the fight at the beginning and the one in the shower. Which to me are two pivotal moments in Ender's life and should not be cut out or edited; they are important to his mindset.

True, They'll tone down the fighting, and I bet they will be wearing somthing  :P

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« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2006, 10:37:41 pm »
I don't think giving them a pair of boxers/briefs is goign to infuriate any fans.
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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2006, 12:02:57 am »
I don't think giving them a pair of boxers/briefs is goign to infuriate any fans.

lol, I dunno, some fan boys are odd

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« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2006, 07:52:24 am »
Clothes isn't exactly what I'm talking about. And yes, some people are strange like that. Not sure we're looking to cater to those people, however.

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« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2006, 04:53:42 pm »
I may get flamed for this, but I really do think Ender's Game is totally overrated. It tends to be loved by 13 year old children who think "I'm just like Ender!" However, it isn't that great as a piece of literature. It's just a coming of age story, of which there are thousands more many of which better. I believe that the only reason it's liked so much is because people read it when they are young and never return to it with a critical eye.

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« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2006, 07:30:52 pm »
I just read it and I enjoyed it very much from an adult perspective. I'm still on the 3rd book though.

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« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2006, 07:39:24 pm »
It's in the adult section.

I couldn't think about reading this as a kid. Sure, it has the war game, but thatís just one point of the over all book. If you like it just for that part you didn't dive into his head well enough.

I still did like that part however. There was just more

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« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2006, 11:53:01 pm »
I read it when I was 13 years old and loved it.

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« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2006, 06:26:25 am »
It's in the adult section.

I couldn't think about reading this as a kid. Sure, it has the war game, but thatís just one point of the over all book. If you like it just for that part you didn't dive into his head well enough.

It may be in the adult section, but it's obviously a kid's book. Ender's character isn't really very deep as fictional characters go - there are several layers there but they're all pretty transparent. You could talk for a while about Ender, but it would be just that - talking about Ender. He's not a particularly complex individual.

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« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2006, 10:58:09 pm »
I may get flamed for this, but I really do think Ender's Game is totally overrated. It tends to be loved by 13 year old children who think "I'm just like Ender!" However, it isn't that great as a piece of literature. It's just a coming of age story, of which there are thousands more many of which better. I believe that the only reason it's liked so much is because people read it when they are young and never return to it with a critical eye.
Read it when I was 21 for the first time and thought it was excellent. And I would hardly consider it simply a 'Coming of Age' story; I think that's pretty far from accurate. But everyone has a right to their opinion, so I don't think you should be flamed.



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« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2006, 11:42:21 pm »
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« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2006, 03:44:23 am »
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« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2006, 12:03:48 am »
Anyway...

I first read the book when I was like 13 and ya, I too took homage with Ender.  Definatly drew some parallels with the things he went through (as I think many of the member here will also).  However, I reread it a few years ago (ya, I'm old) and still think it can stand on it's own as a solid book.  The characters were fairly well developed and was still a good read.   The later books kind of drag but, that's another topic.

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« Reply #67 on: June 13, 2006, 06:05:30 am »
The later books kind of drag but, that's another topic.

Which is why you go from Ender's Game to Ender's Shadow. The only true Ender book is Ender's Game. After that, his quartet become something else, something unconnected from my point of view; they're not necessarily bad books. They just don't feel like sequels to Ender's Game. The proper successor to Ender's Game is the Bean series.

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« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2006, 08:55:08 pm »
I'm reading this right now actually, I'm about 100 pages in. It's a very good book from what I've read so far; I now understand why all my friends have been telling me to read it. I can relate to how he feels on a few levels. I thinks it is pretty cool how he is beating people who are twice as old as he is at stuff. I think that's pretty funny.

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« Reply #69 on: June 15, 2006, 04:38:43 am »
Yes that was a good book, I wish I still had them, I loaned them to my Brother when he wnet to Juvey, and I never got them back  :'(

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« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2006, 05:48:18 am »
Yes that was a good book, I wish I still had them, I loaned them to my Brother when he wnet to Juvey, and I never got them back† :'(

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« Reply #71 on: August 25, 2006, 10:01:04 pm »
I read them in 3rd grade, or fourth..anyway. Since then I've read 23 books by him, and I found a text based RPG of ender's game as well. my favorite author of all time....*drum roll*...is...OSC!

www.ansiblemoo.org is the MOO/text based RPG thing, by the way.

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« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2006, 09:43:43 pm »
Thus far I've just read Ender's game (loved it).  I'm wondering if there's anything special about reading the same story twice (as in Ender's Shadow).  It won't have any of those FANTASTIC spoilers.

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WHY ARE THERE NO ENDER'S GAME MOVIES/GAMES?
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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2006, 06:43:47 am »
WHY ARE THERE NO ENDER'S GAME MOVIES/GAMES?

That would be up to Orson Scott Card.

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« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2006, 12:20:33 pm »
Actually, the movie script is being written by OSC himself.

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« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2006, 09:32:33 am »
Thus far I've just read Ender's game (loved it).† I'm wondering if there's anything special about reading the same story twice (as in Ender's Shadow).† It won't have any of those FANTASTIC spoilers.

I loved Ender's Shadow. It was a great book. Whereas I couldn't like the sequels to Ender's Game. I much prefer the Bean series as a true continuation of the story.

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Because OSC has been battling back and forth with studios for several years about how to do one. It's just a difficult book to translate into film for all sorts of reasons that don't have anything to do with the story. For example, there is some worry about having certain events involving serious violence on children by children in a film.

As for OSC writing the script himself: He posted online a long time ago some of the opening pages of his new script for it and honestly? I was surprised to see that he changed things and not in ways that I liked. But we'll see how it turns out, if it ever does.

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« Reply #76 on: August 28, 2006, 03:22:10 pm »
I doubt it not the sort of story a company like paramount or newline want to pick up.
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« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2006, 05:37:18 pm »
There is a game. Cept it's text based...but it's really cool. I recommend it to anyone who likes ender's game. It's that link I posted a few posts ago, http://www.ansiblemoo.org/

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« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2006, 04:07:15 pm »
At the end of Enders Shadow on CD. OSC talks about an Ender movie. He wanted Ender to be 12 (I think thatís how old he is in the book), and all of the studios want Ender to be around 16 or 17. So it's been hard to find a studio, and find actors that are good enough at that age

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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2006, 08:42:18 am »
At the end of Enders Shadow on CD. OSC talks about an Ender movie. He wanted Ender to be 12 (I think thatís how old he is in the book), and all of the studios want Ender to be around 16 or 17. So it's been hard to find a studio, and find actors that are good enough at that age

Yeah, he's discussed the issue on his website many times. Too bad we can't go back in time and get Christian Bale as a kid.

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« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2006, 02:58:38 pm »
I saw hims speak about the movie, and he said that the person editing the script or w/e wanted to make it revolve around a romance between ender and petra, and OSC's like, wtf. He also said that he would have trouble finding a GOOD actor who was young enough to play Ender.

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« Reply #81 on: August 31, 2006, 08:20:48 am »
I saw hims speak about the movie, and he said that the person editing the script or w/e wanted to make it revolve around a romance between ender and petra, and OSC's like, wtf. He also said that he would have trouble finding a GOOD actor who was young enough to play Ender.

Hmm. I hadn't heard about the Ender / Petra thing. And considering how things eventually turn out in the Bean books, it would seem a touch odd for the suggestion if it didn't blow to begin with. As for a young actor: We need to clone Christian Bale. I'm telling you. Clone him and raise his clone in a pseudo-similar environment to his childhood so that he acts the same way.

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« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2006, 11:53:05 am »
That'd be funny to see the guy who played mini-me as ender.