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Re: Games for Girls
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2006, 03:33:58 pm »
 Ah, the age old question. How do you please everyone? Now to be honest, if you tryed to please every gamer you would get such a messed up video game no one would like it. So most people either make a game for a certain audience or for a few audiences. Saddly, the base that has been tapped the most is the hard-core gamers. (of which I am a member) With this hard-core stereotype, you often see developers aim for male gamers as their primary group. Of course their are exeptions, as previously noted, there are scores of Nintendo games that are fun for everyone on average regaurdless of background. You see other systems make these games like Katamia, Sims, DDR, ect, but it is a bit rarer than with nintendo. The big question for myself is what we will see in this "next gen" war that is fast approaching in the coming months and years.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2006, 02:04:54 am »
I'll try to keep this short and sweet, as I have a tendency to ramble. I believe there are only a couple of generalizations that hold true (at least when reduced to stereotypes). The first, being that female gamers tend to enjoy the social aspects of gaming more than their male counterparts do. The second, being that females tend to become attached to their characters. This is probably derived from ones natural maternal instinct, which is why as children we took care of our dolls, while boys would be more inclined to blow them up. It isn't that we don't think blowing stuff up is cool, we simply came to empathize for our dolls.

Games that allow the player to socialize, and games that allow the player to grow or look after a character, are more likely to appeal to women. This is why a female presence has been well established in MMORPGs (despite not catering to female tastes, and often, posessing traits that repel them), but for the most part, not in any other genre. While the social aspects were missing, it is also why The Sims was such a success with female gamers (perhaps coupled with the freedom to explore and experiment, as well as there being very few ways to lose, which is something all new gamers like).

Empirical evidence suggests that games do not need to be designed specifically for women. In the past, these forays have failed. Games that offer a neutral gender approach, and avoid stereotypes that tend to turn female gamers off (like Lineage II's skimpy female outfits) are the ones that have the most success in attracting female players.

Finally, what is more pressing than who the game is designed to cater to, is the state of video gaming community, which has been traditionally, predominantly male, along with computers in general. Borogove hit the hammer on the head when he mentioned gaming cliques being primarily male. In the past women haven't played games, because it isn't the social norm. As more women have started using computers for other things, the face of computing has become a less stereotypically male activity, and this has made way for women to enter into the wonderful realm of gaming.

Now if only guys on the internet could stop turning so many of them away  ;) But that is another topic entirely.

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2006, 05:32:17 pm »
Borogove hit the hammer on the head when he mentioned gaming cliques being primarily male.
Thanks.  Next time I'll try to hit the nail on the head, though. :D

Experience with real-life girls keeps telling me that it isn't "girl games" that they like.  Girls just wanna have fun ;D
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2006, 10:25:47 am »
Nice post there Kaze! Knew most of it already apart from the non violence tendency things. I don't know, but I think that can differ per woman too.

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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2006, 02:02:57 pm »
Borogove hit the hammer on the head when he mentioned gaming cliques being primarily male.
Thanks.  Next time I'll try to hit the nail on the head, though. :D
Ah, I always mix up the simplistic things. Though, it still makes sense enough, nails have heads as well, so I don't look entirely like a retard :p

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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2006, 02:05:51 pm »
i guess it's also something like men want to conquer things. They want to beat things and be able to say that they did it. To put a notch on the side of their fighter plane for another "enemy" killed. Something to do with our manliness.

Girls seem to just want to enjoy the experience. Women, correct me if i am wrong. It doesn't seem like "epic" games, or games that you have to spend 100 hours on just to beat are really what you're after. Just give you the controls, and let you play around a lil, and you will totally enjoy the game.

I do agree with the social aspect though. I also find co-op games much more appealing than single player games though. The problem there is That you need to find people who are interested in games that are willing to spend time enough on them to play. The older you get, the smaller that number is, as life starts getting in the way.

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2006, 02:26:09 pm »
Interestingly though, I think women actually play games more than men nowadays, it's just we forget to count things like Bejeweled, Bookworm, etc.
You are correct, sir.Adult female gamers made up a larger percentage of gamers than male gamers who were between the ages of 6 to 17. Of all gamers combined, of any age, women make up 40%.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2006, 01:35:14 am »
Well from a marketing stand point it's simple logistics that they 'should' target female gamers first and men second and I'll tell you why. Well the simple truth is there are more women on this planet than there are men, period. This isn't much of a despute either as it's something like 60 percent are women and 40 percent are men. So really what is it that makes men the target audience when 60 percent is a much better target audience ? Still it seems everytime I see girls who are into video games it seems like more of a tomboyish habit. Maybe it's the fact women would rather spend 50-60 bucks on something else.

When you really think about how much women spend on just about everything else. Do they really have extra money laying around to spend on video gaming habits without sacrificing in some other area that men simply don't worry about (like buying makeup, which isn't cheap at all). I'm sure I'm making such gross generalizations, but I think the main problem is and always will be that so many other markets have already grabbed the larger portion of the population (women) and that the dollar will only stretch so far.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2006, 01:29:52 pm »
Ah, you guys do bring up a grand point. My mother spends 1-2 hours a day in her spare minuites playing bejewled, and other AOL sponsored games that are fun and addictive. I joke with her that she likes those games simply because they sound like a slot machine (but she does tend to agree with me). My mom loves to play slots, so bejewled has a very similer appeal to her
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2006, 01:37:00 pm »
I think that the surveys and stuff are counting Girl Gamers as a female who plays one or two free, online games a lot.

Gamer Gusy, will generally have a lot more than that. Most of the girls I know play no video games, except for two or three online ones, or old games for N64 and that stuff.

Obviously, there are exceptions.
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2006, 01:45:31 pm »
I doubt there will be any games geared primarily for girls in the coming years, the market is to dominated by men for that to happen. Gamespot had a survey or some thing a couple of months ago, and it showed that most game developers are heterosexual males. Which is also the primary audience for games right now. Yes I know it is some thing like 55 or 60% males and the rest female, but that is mostly because the female part play small games like solitaire or teris. There is of course The Sims but that appeals to both men and women, but mostly women (or "girls") because it is, basically, a virtual doll house.

With that said, I do think there will be more games geared towards women in the future, because there are a lot of women who play games today and they may enter the gaming industry, as developers. And at some point they will probably make a game geared towards women.
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2006, 01:49:33 pm »
Its fun to imagine where the video game industry will go in the future. Im curious if we will see more games geared tword women in systems like the Revloution. I dout we will see too much of that coming from the PS3 or Xbox-360, but I could be wrong
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2006, 01:52:04 pm »
I think the DS and the Revolution probably will have more games geared towards women. Since they both (try) to appeal for every body, especially non gamers.

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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2006, 12:42:11 pm »
Now if only guys on the internet could stop turning so many of them away  ;) But that is another topic entirely.

I'd really like to know what you mean by that... I really wouldn't mind if you elaborated on it a bit more.

Anyway, I asked one of my girl friends what games she liked and disliked and here's the list I got:

Good:
Bomberman (Cute graphics and sound effects, upbeat music)
Street Fighter (you get to kick some ass but the controls aren't too complicated)
DDR (Visual stimuli & patterns to figure out)
Puzzle Games

Bad:
3D stuff (makes boring gameplay most of the time)
RPGs (takes too long to finish)
MMORPGs (you eat **** for the entire game without getting anywhere)

I'll have to ask her to elaborate more on some of these when I talk to her again.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2006, 12:50:13 pm »
My fiance hadn't played a game since Sonic, so I bought the Sonic Collection got GC. She really got into it, got better scores then me, and then decided to try something else. So after that was Animal Crossing, The Sims 2, and We Love Katamari. Katamari was a blast because I hadn't played it yet either, so that was a good bonding experience.

But she's getting used to 3d with is fun. Oh that reminds me, a month ago or so I went into Fable and was going to load up my game when I saw her name on the save list. It turns out that she made it all the way through the tutorial and beat a couple missions without any help. I know some of you think it's stupid, but I was seriously so proud of her because of that. I mean she went from Sonic where all you do is press right to beating parts of Fable, and not to mention her hand-eye has gone up considerabley from playing Katamari.

Anyway, the list that LadyM posted is pretty much my recommended list. Most of my female friends came in with Sims. My fantasy-reading friends fell for Baldur's Gate and other D&D based RPGs, and one friend actually got into gaming through Warcraft II.

Wow, this makes me realize how long it's been since I was an active user here.