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Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« on: January 30, 2006, 10:06:03 am »
So guys and galls,

A quick search on the forums didn't give me too much hits on this topic so:

What do you think of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series?

My own opinion (and I am only up to book 4 or so) is that it has some great highlights, cool setting and some cool characters and "races" (the word race isn't really applicable here I know) but that it has it's serious flaws as well. I do enjoy it though.


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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 12:33:43 pm »
well i am currently reading them as well, I'm on book 6. My favorite character is Perrin, but i wont say much about him as i can't remember what happened exactly where you are at. I do like his struggle between being a blacksmith and an ta'veren.

Rand is a jerk, and for the story being centered around him, he is my most hated main charatcer ever in a book. Morraine has her moments of being a human, but mostly just is annoying. Nynaeve and Elayne are kind of disappointing too, as they act too similar. Ever notice that Robert Jordan uses the same things to describe stuff the same way all the time. Sweat seems to be a huge thin for him too.

The Trollocs are a neat variant/ replacement to trolls and ogres in most Sci Fi/Fantasy series.

I am going to finish this series out, and am mostly enjoying it despite a few complaints of repetition. However, when you think about writing 12 books each being around 1000 pages, you are bound to repeat yourself a few times. This is allowing for the slight recapping that happens in every book and is understandable.


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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2006, 03:00:02 pm »
I kind of like Rand.... probably because he is a jerk ;)
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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 06:38:02 pm »
I think I stopped at book 9.  The series quickly goes downhill after book 4.  Like one entire book seems like it's 1000 pages about how silly women are....and that's it.  I kept reading the new ones hoping that it would pick up again, but I've pretty much lost all faith in it now.

"The Wayfarer Redemption" series by Sara Douglass and "A Song of Fire and Ice" series by George R R Martin pretty much smoke The Wheel of Time nowadays.  In fact, one of the reviews on the back of "The Wayfarer Redemption" (the first book) sums it up pretty nicely: "There are few absolutes in making judgments of commercial fantasy, but let's just say it's a bit better than anything by Robert Jordan." (Australian Book Review).

Back on topic though, I really enjoyed Perrin and Faile (I think that's his wife's name, right?) and the events surrounding them in the Two Rivers.

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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2006, 04:13:54 pm »
The Wheel of Time series is a waste of time after the fourth book.

This is the series that never ends, it goes on and on my friends, once you started reading you can never really end, cause it's the series that goes on and on my friends.
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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2006, 05:35:30 pm »
crippits:  yeah, i've read halfway through book ten, and in the latter half of the series they ALL turn into *******s.  to sum up (SPOILERS): rand becomes more and more of a jerk; that's it.  egwene gets brainwashed by the wise ones and now she can chuckle childishly while putting hits on her political rivals.  elayne and nynaeve are now sucking up to her. perrin accepts his role of leadership and accordingly he becomes a jerk also.  we lose the whole dynamic of him using a weapon only as long as he can keep hating it, and now he comes to like killing; at the same time there's no sense of him having a moral failure as the narrative seems to approve of his actions.  Moiraine is replaced by someone bitchier than herself.  with these main characters rising to promenance, we get a view of what life is like under their rule... suffice to say, it's utter fascism, but again the narrative approves.  institutional coercion, systematized treachery, stalinesque purges are presented as entertainment.  a significant portion of one of the latter novels involves a member of the black ajah being slowly broken and mentally enslaved by the shaido, for no apparent reason beyond gratuitously revelling in her suffering.  it occured to me a while ago that robert jordan might not be entirely well.
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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2006, 11:55:32 am »
I've never read any of them, but I did manage to find a signed paperback copy of the first one in a secondhand bookshop for a pittance.

I keep hoping the author will die so i can sell it on Ebay for a small fortune.


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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2006, 08:46:42 pm »
well i am now on book 7.... trudging along. They do decrease in fun as you go. my only hope for intrest lies in Perren and Mat...


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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2006, 08:09:08 am »
I've done some reviews of the prequel book and the first two books as I am still in the middle of book 3.  http://hgamerreviews.blogspot.com/  <--- Link to my reviews blog.

Now I like the books and post on a couple WoT boards.  I don't believe they are second only to Lord of the Rings as a lot of people push them off as.  Jordan (who I've met and lives within 30 minutes of my current living space) is great at fleshing out a world.  What he is horrible about is heaping details onto details that make parts of his books dry as all can be.  Now that is something you notice in the first three books no doubt.  Now if you go and read the prequel, New Spring, the story is faster paced and I actually enjoyed it a lot more.

The dry material aside Jordan really knows how to kick it in gear.  For example the ending to book 2 was some of the best fantasy reading I've done in a while, but there is a good chunk of that book that is just flat out boring.

So Jordan is a writer you have to be patient with.  You definately get a COMPLETE world which is a failure of a lot of fantasy writers.  You get rich characters with varying plotlines(Mat is by far my favorite character so far).  Jordan is not shy about fleshing out a characters storyline and making it a large part of a book ignoring the main plotline all together.  But you also get a lot of dull filler :/

Now Jordan is writing the last book as we speak.  He has already stated thats the end of the story he envisioned.  Now he will be going back for 3 (or maybe 2 not sure) prequel books like New Spring which I honestly think may be the best of the series :)

I think after book 3 I will be taking a break from the series for some Song of Fire and Ice since all I hear is absolute LOVE for the series.

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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2006, 09:44:57 pm »
wow, you put a lot of thought into that. I like the series, and Robert Jordan is a good author. As i am an author as well, or trying to be, i know how hard it is to bring  life into it. He does do that. However, have you noticed that many characters are just carbon copies of others with just a slight twist?


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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2006, 09:52:40 am »
wow, you put a lot of thought into that. I like the series, and Robert Jordan is a good author. As i am an author as well, or trying to be, i know how hard it is to bring  life into it. He does do that. However, have you noticed that many characters are just carbon copies of others with just a slight twist?

Have you noticed a lot of people in real life are the same?  When you just glance at them they are John Doe #118324.  Now if the books revolved more around them you would probably pick up on a lot of their differences.  The main characters are all quite diverse IMHO, but not to the point where they don't fit.

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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2006, 10:01:39 am »
the reason that i brought it up is that Nyneave and Elayne are very similar. Granted one is all for Lan, and the other for Rand. But they are both very arrogant, and childish. The act so much alike they could be sisters. Yes their backgrounds are different, one, the Daughter-heir of Andor, the other a former Wisdom. But they both are used to things their way, bot expect it their way and both have the same ideas of the other. If it weren't for Aviendha's involvement i don;t think things would have changed.


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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2006, 12:25:12 pm »
I'm in book 3 right now and Elayne is more like an admirer of Nynaeve and I've noticed more of a "big sister/little sister" relationship forming.  Granted I don't know how it changes over time and later in the series, but early on it feels very much like Elayne wants to be "just like Nynaeve".

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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2006, 12:38:44 pm »
sorry i should be a bit more non spoilerish. looking back though, the characters really do change quite a bit. I am currently re-reading the first of the series, Trying to regain some of the adventure and the feel of the danger and ominous menace of the Dark One.


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Re: Wheel of Time series: What do you think?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2006, 08:36:23 pm »
I'm on book nine right now. I can understand why some people hate them; it takes a lot of work to read them only to discover it may not be what you had been hoping for. Thankfully I'm not one of those people. TWOT's plodding and sometimes meandering storyline is my cup of tea; yes I know that make me something of a freak/geek. A lot of people particularly hated Winter's Heart, the book I'm reading, but I've actually found this one particularly enjoyable so far. If I had to pick a favorite it would be a toss up between The Shadow Rising and The Path of Daggers. Oh, and Perrins my favorite character too.