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Offline Krakow Sam

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2016, 11:52:32 am »
What if there were girls in Lord of the Rings?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2016, 12:01:25 pm »
what if Sam was as cranky as he was smart

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2016, 12:09:54 pm »
What if the One Ring was a girl?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2016, 12:12:48 pm »
magical rings can't have genders silly

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2016, 12:37:50 pm »
Did Iluvatar know that Melkor was going to cause Discord? Was this part of the plan?

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2016, 12:56:57 pm »
Iluvatar likely knew,but he had to go long way around in ensuring that he lost.When Sauron lost his ring it wouldn't surprise me if  Iluvatar knew how to  get the ring into Bilbo's,then Frodo's hands

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2016, 02:20:27 pm »
Did Iluvatar know that Melkor was going to cause Discord? Was this part of the plan?

Well God is omniscient right?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2016, 02:32:37 pm »
Only if his angels are.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2016, 07:38:33 am »
I agree with you that God probably knew how it was all going to go down. Maybe the struggle that would ensue was the destination.

As for the Ring, I don't think God had anything to do with getting the Ring into Bilbo's hand in a direct sense. I think that was the Ring's doing.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2016, 10:35:59 am »
Well the ring was essentially the essence of Sauron,so it probably worked against Iluvatar's influence,making him rely on his agents like Gandalf,who ensured that it was passed on to Frodo.The greatest risk with something like the One Ring is that is corrupts whoever tries to wear it,in many ways Iluvatar made  Frodo's and Bibbos lives a misery just to make sure that no one else (like say,one of the Maia) could become corrupted and cause an even greater discord.Saruman is corrupted by Sauron anyway and it's difficult to say wheather  Iluvatar sacrificed him because he knew he would fail,or because did not forsee another of the  Maia being corrupted by sources like the palanti.I think Iluvatar knew he could afford to lose Saruman,but not Gandalf,without another agent to help guide the ring bearers his plan to destroy the ring would fail.

Long story short,if ttoo many Maia become corrupted its game over,but he needs one agent standing in order to win.

It's difficult to say who was who  Iluvatar could influence,certainly there are many forces which are working against what he wishes(like Sauron and the ring itself) and those he most likely has no influence over like Tom bombadil,either because Tom too important to risk or because Tom doesn't pay too much attention to Iluvatar and he's prepared to leave Tom alone,but that does't mean he's not watching him closely through Gandalf.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2016, 12:40:56 pm »
Jesus christ, I actually understand all of this.

I spend way too much time reading histories on wikis for shows I've not watched and books I've not read.

The fact that dwarves were given sapience by a different entity than elves or humans was a fun fact to learn.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2016, 01:01:49 pm »
Kinda neat, right? :D

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6yzxcv0Ps" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6yzxcv0Ps</a>

Best part in any of the books concerning Middle Earth.