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Offline Ultimatum

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Lord of the rings
« on: January 19, 2016, 11:01:02 am »
About time we gave Lord of the rings it's own thread (and so  we don't have to disrupt the fallout 4 thread))


So about  eagles flying to Mount doom.bunch of nonsense,am I right?

Also,what would have happened if Durin's Bane had obtained the ring from Frodo? (in this scenario Frodo is captured and tortured)

Also,do Balrogs have wings?

 No,I don't know about that reddit thread,do tell..
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2016, 11:44:48 am »
The problem with the theory that the dwarves would all ally with Durin's Bane in order to reclaim Moria for themselves is that dwarves are notorious for holding grudges and the balrog won't be exempt from this, six thousand years later or no. I could see dwarves waiting for the balrog to march with his army and then come in from behind to retake their ancestral home by force, but not an alliance. If anything, the dwarves or a subset of them might be more willing to join Sauron's invasion force in exchange for the promise of being vanguard troops in Moria. They won't trust Sauron, but that doesn't mean they'd think they could get rooted out of Moria a second time, not when Sauron's forces would be depending on the dwarves to guide them.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2016, 03:01:43 pm »
If memory serves, the Eagles didn't get along well with other races.  They had a habit of stealing sheep, so Men had a habit of shooting at them.  So they only helped when Gandalf called in a favor or there was extreme circumstances.  Mordor was heavily fortified and had the Nazgul, so they probably could've shot the eagles down with ease.
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2016, 04:04:41 pm »
Guys what if Farmer Maggot had acquired the ring?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2016, 05:05:36 pm »
He would have handed it over to the ring wraiths in short order.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 05:35:02 am »
Ok duly noted. But what if this piece of wood had acquired the ring?

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 09:04:45 am »
I don't know Sam

you truly have me stumped

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 09:10:46 am »
If you stick to your guns and get some other people to chip in it'll be plane sailing to timber bark decking redwood lumber sap IKEA.
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 09:57:39 am »
sam is clearly an expert

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 11:06:38 am »
Nah I think pat knows a lot more about Lord of the Rings than me.

I've just been to the pub Tolkein and CS Lewis used to hang out in a few times.
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 04:49:43 pm »
It's a pretty cool pub.  It's also where I first had a beer and actually liked it.
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2016, 09:49:49 am »
Seems a shame for this to die,anyone to argue about lord of the rings?

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2016, 11:32:36 am »
What if JRR Tolkein had found the Ring?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2016, 11:35:00 am »
the one ring is fictional you dummy

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2016, 11:51:25 am »
What if Bilbo was a girl?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2016, 11:52:32 am »
What if there were girls in Lord of the Rings?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2016, 12:01:25 pm »
what if Sam was as cranky as he was smart

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2016, 12:09:54 pm »
What if the One Ring was a girl?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2016, 12:12:48 pm »
magical rings can't have genders silly

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2016, 12:37:50 pm »
Did Iluvatar know that Melkor was going to cause Discord? Was this part of the plan?

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2016, 12:56:57 pm »
Iluvatar likely knew,but he had to go long way around in ensuring that he lost.When Sauron lost his ring it wouldn't surprise me if  Iluvatar knew how to  get the ring into Bilbo's,then Frodo's hands

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2016, 02:20:27 pm »
Did Iluvatar know that Melkor was going to cause Discord? Was this part of the plan?

Well God is omniscient right?
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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2016, 02:32:37 pm »
Only if his angels are.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2016, 07:38:33 am »
I agree with you that God probably knew how it was all going to go down. Maybe the struggle that would ensue was the destination.

As for the Ring, I don't think God had anything to do with getting the Ring into Bilbo's hand in a direct sense. I think that was the Ring's doing.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2016, 10:35:59 am »
Well the ring was essentially the essence of Sauron,so it probably worked against Iluvatar's influence,making him rely on his agents like Gandalf,who ensured that it was passed on to Frodo.The greatest risk with something like the One Ring is that is corrupts whoever tries to wear it,in many ways Iluvatar made  Frodo's and Bibbos lives a misery just to make sure that no one else (like say,one of the Maia) could become corrupted and cause an even greater discord.Saruman is corrupted by Sauron anyway and it's difficult to say wheather  Iluvatar sacrificed him because he knew he would fail,or because did not forsee another of the  Maia being corrupted by sources like the palanti.I think Iluvatar knew he could afford to lose Saruman,but not Gandalf,without another agent to help guide the ring bearers his plan to destroy the ring would fail.

Long story short,if ttoo many Maia become corrupted its game over,but he needs one agent standing in order to win.

It's difficult to say who was who  Iluvatar could influence,certainly there are many forces which are working against what he wishes(like Sauron and the ring itself) and those he most likely has no influence over like Tom bombadil,either because Tom too important to risk or because Tom doesn't pay too much attention to Iluvatar and he's prepared to leave Tom alone,but that does't mean he's not watching him closely through Gandalf.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2016, 12:40:56 pm »
Jesus christ, I actually understand all of this.

I spend way too much time reading histories on wikis for shows I've not watched and books I've not read.

The fact that dwarves were given sapience by a different entity than elves or humans was a fun fact to learn.

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Re: Lord of the rings
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2016, 01:01:49 pm »
Kinda neat, right? :D

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6yzxcv0Ps" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6yzxcv0Ps</a>

Best part in any of the books concerning Middle Earth.