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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #660 on: February 20, 2016, 07:34:51 am »
lol

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #661 on: February 20, 2016, 10:32:18 am »
Bern it all down.


Trump it all down.
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #662 on: February 20, 2016, 10:33:15 am »
Mmmmm.  Whether The Onion is in the tank now for Hillary or not, that was some amazingly bad timing.  Their articles about her campaign's war march from state to state have been fantastic.
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #663 on: February 20, 2016, 02:56:43 pm »
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #664 on: February 20, 2016, 03:07:06 pm »
Why it's not like it's a government institution?
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #665 on: February 20, 2016, 08:28:02 pm »
Isn't free speech I'm regard to public institutions?

If someone walks into a movie theater and starts praising ISIS, the movie theater can surely escort him out if they want. Hell if the guy starts advertising for another theater they can be bounced
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No, no, he did. In the everything else section, at least. Officially, this makes him king.

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #666 on: February 20, 2016, 09:24:17 pm »
Just to clarify your example, erops. A private business/location/whatever can enforce its own speech or what-have-you so long as that speech does not infringe on the rights of someone else.

Add in a dash of freedom of religion/expression and you've got a powder keg of jerkwads that don't want to bake cakes for gay people.

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #667 on: February 20, 2016, 10:10:57 pm »
RIP Jeb! Bush Campaign

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #668 on: February 20, 2016, 10:23:51 pm »
Probably not a Goat, either.


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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #669 on: February 20, 2016, 11:20:47 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGV6QjtdulY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGV6QjtdulY</a>

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #670 on: February 21, 2016, 02:42:37 am »
Twitter has begun banning Conservatives for being conservative.  That is a real issue.

Do you have any evidence for this?

Add in a dash of freedom of religion/expression and you've got a powder keg of jerkwads that don't want to bake cakes for gay people.

While I am broadly in favour of businesses not discriminating I think people should actually be allowed to not make whatever cakes they want. Saying homophobic Christians are obliged to make gay cakes for paying customers also implies the following:

Gay bakeries have to make cakes with anti-gay marriage slogans
Vegetarian bakers are obliged to make cakes that say "eat more beef"
Democrat bakers have to make cakes that say "Trump for President"
Republican bakers have to make cakes that say "Bernie 2016"
Jewish bakers have to make swastika cakes for neonazi skinheads.

Educating people and trying to change their views as individuals is more effective than forcing businesses to do things which conflict with their beliefs.

Now, refusing to make *any* cake for someone because they're gay, black, jewish, a nazi, etc. That's discriminatory. But essentially forcing people to take money to help propagate a message they disagree with is just plain coercion and it's not right. 

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #671 on: February 21, 2016, 04:23:01 am »
I never said 'free speech'.  If Twitter is enforcing editorial control over its content, then they become responsible for any defamation and other civilly actionable content on their site.  Twitter cannot both claim no legal responsibility for the content and claim editorial control.  They can't have their cake and eat it too.

Not remembering that word is really annoying me.  What is that term for hosting companies and services not being directly liable for the legal transgressions related to the data of their users?

I think the term you're looking for is an accountability clause (the company has none), though it's not specific to a ToS.

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #672 on: February 21, 2016, 04:43:08 am »
Yep, if that wasn't clear enough, Jeb! is out.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jeb-bushs-path-to-defeat-began-a-year-ago/

Surely it began sixteen years ago?

Optimistically, it began about twenty-seven years ago.
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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #673 on: February 21, 2016, 07:47:58 am »
Now, refusing to make *any* cake for someone because they're gay, black, jewish, a nazi, etc. That's discriminatory. But essentially forcing people to take money to help propagate a message they disagree with is just plain coercion and it's not right.

The gays have no right to push their agenda on the religious. More at eleven.

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Re: 2016 Elections
« Reply #674 on: February 21, 2016, 08:01:55 am »
On the whole Safe Harbour situation when it comes to Internet Media. As there is no requirement of Editorial control there should not be any such practices willy nilly by the content hosters. The exception being that the content host may set up there own rules which the uses need to abide. And they may need to help law enforcement when there actually is legal grounds.

In the end like I have said before. Free speech does not mean that someone else have give you a soapbox to stand on. It specifically is meant to protect the individual rights to express them self in a public forum. Not a private one.  If you feel a service is not treating you with respect then you are free to use a other one.

Of course there is a trouble with some media like YouTube and Twitter being so dominate. But that a issue with media being monopolised and we need other ways to actually combat that.
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