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[RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« on: November 05, 2011, 09:18:39 am »


Made the RG 10,000 ly to make the numbers even at save me hours calculating the coordinates system.





The Galactic Core.

The line is a height indicator for a star system.





Close up of the star system with galactic disk at background.





The system.









Space is... big.




Will explain more tomorrow.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 04:09:09 pm »
Cool! Alright, so the galaxy is 10% Milky Way size, 5% Andromeda size, and 20% Triangulum size. I'd say all our activities take place in a region 900 by 900 ly. In the Mid Rim for convenience and slight realism, why not? Au (the Naucean star) should probably be at the center, seeing as how they're basically the ones who ushered in the Golden Age of the modern era. (The Kratair and Graidient have been around longer, but Kratair progress slower than others due to their reptilian physiology and Graid aren't too intested in other stars.)

I've actually been working on a 10x10 grid map for quite some time now, mapping out the galaxy's known species. Maybe you could wait for that to be finished until you start putting star systems everywhere, please? Oh, and the reason I chose 900 ly instead of 1,000 is because I accidentally made that map of Perrachi space in 9x9 squares. I could fix that if everyone wanted it, but it would take a while and the multiple of 3 thing works a lot better on grid paper.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 06:05:06 pm »
I'd say all our activities take place in a region 900 by 900 ly. In the Mid Rim for convenience and slight realism, why not?

That's gonna cause some very troubling discrepancies, I think.

Not that I'm personally for or against it, but there're several Silver Age civilizations that are explicitly stated, both in story and in their profile, to have originated from, occupy or are heavily involved with the inner rim.

Aside from that, there are also numerous Words of Veterans that explicitly state that the majority of the Golden Age races are centered on the outer rim.   :-\


I've actually been working on a 10x10 grid map for quite some time now, mapping out the galaxy's known species. Maybe you could wait for that to be finished until you start putting star systems everywhere, please?

Actually, I was gonna start asking people where they want their star systems to be.

That grid map would plenty, though. I might use it to get the coordinates of the Golden and Silver Age civilizations.   :)


I could fix that if everyone wanted it, but it would take a while and the multiple of 3 thing works a lot better on grid paper.

Sure thing.   :)




Hey, other guys out there, what do you think?

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 06:49:47 pm »
Well, I could do a multiple of 5 map if it's rectangular. Say, can you give some specific examples of Inner Rim species? Nothing springs to mind...Nothing I can regard as really canon, that is. (I'm making a timeline too, if you weren't aware.)
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 07:40:36 pm »
Say, can you give some specific examples of Inner Rim species? Nothing springs to mind...Nothing I can regard as really canon, that is. (I'm making a timeline too, if you weren't aware.)

The Folicans are near the outer side of the border of the Inner and Middle Rims, with a considerable portion being involved in piracy there.

The Hairy Sneegles are also near the border, but on the other side.

The Blargbells reside in the Inner Rim proper.

The Spieroirs are quite near the Inner Realm.

While not a species per se, REDSTAR (Space Commies FTW!) was involved in the Inner Rim.

The Barroc Confederacy (Awesome Faceless are Awesome! ^_^) both live in and pretty much own a not-so-small number of illegal operations in the Inner Rim. The Yurohuihli, an alien species that became part of the Confederacy, also reside there.

The GalEx Intragalactic market commonly sells products from the Inner Rim. The same thing happens in most slave markets.

The Huvonians are residents of the Inner Rim. One of them in particular, Farkal, was the one who killed Axon's father, ultimately triggering the young boy's rise to heroism, and piracy.

The Mon-Krai have a lot of business deals, both legal and illegal, in the Inner Rim.

Lastly, there's the Communicants who, while not really from the Inner Rim, did use it to stage their invasion.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 08:14:15 pm »
I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm not nearly as... generous in the treatment of species as you may be. I've done extensive research for the past month or so on all the races I could find, systematically judging which were actually important and involved with galactic history. Suffice to say, a very large portion of those made immediately after Spore's release in 2008 and 2009 (the Silver Age?) did not qualify. Neither did many species in the Golden Age who had little to no bearing on galactic events whatsoever.

As far as I'm concerned, of your list I'm only dealing with REDSTAR, GalEx, Mon-Krai and Communicants. Heck, all of those save GalEx are technically extinct as far as anybody knows! The Folicans are unoriginal in biology, the Hairy Sneegles never went anywhere, the Blargbells are too stereotypical with their "awesomeness", the Spieroirs I like but never went anywhere either, the Barrocs are horridly unimaginative, and there's no data on the Huvonians except a single post. To boot, almost all of them committed the unforgivable sin of having a single culture, a sterotypical culture, or both!

What next? Do you want me to include the likes of the Globiens and the Xajorkithians? Perhaps we'll reserve a seat for the Raptorian Empire! I really don't want to hate or anything, but some things you've just gotta let go - especially when they didn't even do anything, or at least did nearly nothing. Or were totally abandoned.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 08:46:09 pm »
I find it interesting that you guys seem to view the older species as still having a place, instead of assuming extinction. Unless I'm wrong? Assuming they're still there presents a number of problems, but eh. An interactive 3D map would be too much to ask for :P

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 09:12:40 pm »
Honestly? Most OG species are extinct as far as I'm concerned. Beyon City is basically the center of it all, but only the Nauceans, Sombrerons, Kratair, Torpals and Quillarans remain. Most Nauceans are ascended but some are still on Beyon and famous for driving bubble taxis. Sombrerons are tricky now that Gec's gone, maybe they'll be wiped out somehow. Torpals are basically in the process of destroying their former empire. It's been established that the Nauceans led several expeditions to Quillaris, so I'm betting they're primitive but still actually alive and known in some circles as a good tourist destination.

All other canonical races either ascended or were killed off by the Communicants or Torpals. Oh, I'm certain that a handful of each still remain, but they're probably content just living on Beyon or wherever. The reconstruction of the multifaceted culture of an entire species is too big a project for only a few people...As this forum has undoubtedly proven. ;)

Say, when it comes to territory shapes which approach are we using? Will we use the Star Wars method and have blobby outlines that look like land-based countries? Or will we take the Star Control method and have literal spheres of influence? Well, oblate spheroids if they get big enough.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 09:29:31 pm »
-snip-

But still, they're a part of canon, regardless of our personal literary preferences.

Removing or outright mangling other people's works just because we don't like it or the creators aren't here to defend themselves is a bit too ingenious considering that some of them have been here for far longer than all of us.

We have to respect their history, at the least.

Imagine if some complete stranger in the future removed or retconned the Ni'Calls or the Gradient because he/she felt it wasn't "quite right" to his standards or preferences.



Also, the Mongol(ian)s hasn't been really involved in today's politics, yet I'm quite sure that they aren't extinct. Same for Macedonia, Romania and many other formerly badass but now just obscure countries.

Just because a country is not actively participating in the stories that we tell doesn't mean they don't exist anymore. I mean, having filler races are okay but maintaining canon races who participated in 90% of all major events in the galaxy is a huge resounding no?

A lot of African countries are basically clones of each other, just with different names. Doesn't mean that a hypothetical future historian is in the right to deliberately erase some of them from the records.



The fact is, we shouldn't tamper into other people's creations willy nilly, because it's a part of Galactic History.

If we're gonna remove a large chunk of it to suit a specific worldview, we might as well do a reboot and leave this one be to at least show some respect to the people who, while not really original, still put effort into their works.



 :-\







Say, when it comes to territory shapes which approach are we using? Will we use the Star Wars method and have blobby outlines that look like land-based countries? Or will we take the Star Control method and have literal spheres of influence? Well, oblate spheroids if they get big enough.

The Spore approach seems the most reasonable approach, each owned system has a spherical area of authority around it which forms an overall blobby appearance.

I'll just have people post their main colonies, I guess.

Still, it would be nice if someone other than the three of us would care to post on this thread. >_>


Well, oblate spheroids if they get big enough.

Oh you!  :D
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 10:55:57 pm »
Also, the Mongol(ian)s hasn't been really involved in today's politics, yet I'm quite sure that they aren't extinct. Same for Macedonia, Romania and many other formerly badass but now just obscure countries.

Just because a country is not actively participating in the stories that we tell doesn't mean they don't exist anymore. I mean, having filler races are okay but maintaining canon races who participated in 90% of all major events in the galaxy is a huge resounding no?

A lot of African countries are basically clones of each other, just with different names. Doesn't mean that a hypothetical future historian is in the right to deliberately erase some of them from the records.
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Okay, let me just get this out of the way: That bolded statement is damn wrong. It's implying that the most diverse continent is full of unoriginal, primitive people...And that's borderline racist at least. I hope you weren't being serious.

Moving on topic, I think you've misunderstood me. A lot of those species that I've disregarded were marginally or entirely unimportant on the galactic scene. If you insist I'll throw some of the not-so-good OG races back in because they had an actual impact on the galaxy, but the useless and/or wildly unimaginative will have to go. Keep in mind that the likes of the Yunimius and the Oifan-Umtag will still be canon - but extinct. You're not seriously suggesting we accept the Fungoidians or Crocs, are you? Or heaven forbid any of pie's stuff?

EDIT: If we go with your approach to the influence thing, that's kind of... well, here's a map of all the stars just within 20 ly of Sol. It could easily be either Star Wars or Star Control style once the scale gets large enough, which I'm sure it does. Besides, drawing it would be kind of a pain even if the spheres only extend from major military centers. I'm personally very fond of the Star Control look and feel, but not sure if the hyperdrive makes it realistic.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 11:28:22 pm »
the Iavolg are a brown skinned race of mindless slaves to this super smart white guy. doesn't help that I used vague elements of Ashanti folklore as a framing device.

I get the trophy of shame for being the most accidentaly racist.



-snip-

But still, they're a part of canon, regardless of our personal literary preferences.

first i'd just like to say http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=2225.0


and not so. we are here now. they are not. As titans we walk in the timeless garden of stars.

we can take out anything we want to. for example, i had a thing called Shilopherous. it was a blob of semi-sentient green stomach acid, inspired by a crazy dream I had (Fu Manchu and Ronald Weasly were in a bathouse and a genie's turned into a bag of dried leather, so I don't know.). I hope Shilo will never be referenced again.  some stuff is just stupid anyway and doesnt matter.



Hairy Sneegle

what.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 11:53:59 pm »
the Iavolg are a brown skinned race of mindless slaves to this super smart white guy. doesn't help that I used vague elements of Ashanti folklore as a framing device.

I get the trophy of shame for being the most accidentaly racist.
Hey, that's not what I meant. Don't mistake me for some uber-PC person! Yuu directly talked about African nations.

Feh, I don't want this to degenerate into a flame war over Africa. On topic, Crazen's got a point. The dasofpapodaugpodvpuaojpaodoapfdhoapvnhaophvpoahvfdzorz may be a joke, but the Shilo and Hairy Sneegles? No way.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 12:13:51 am »
What is with your obsession to convert the long established history of stuff here.

Seriously, ever heard of posterity?

They may be crap but they're historical crap.

You don't just go and delete stuff from fanfiction.net if it doesn't suit your tastes. The same thing here.

Just reboot the darn thing instead of wasting your time killing off and retconning everything.

You're making this far more complicated than it ought to be.

Just start with a clean slate then move their everything that you like. It's far less ethically questionable compared to butchering established canon.




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Okay, let me just get this out of the way: That bolded statement is damn wrong.

Go out of your house today and ask anyone you come across the street to name ten African nations (that isn't either Egypt, Somalia, South Africa, the DRC, or Libya) and how each one is extremely unique.

They can't.

Is it right to remove them from history because of that, certainly not.

I'm not being racist, I'm just echoing the general knowledge base of most lay folk on this planet who don't give a damn about the culture of "non-Hollywood" countries. Seriously, have you ever seen Lesotho being specifically identified as Lesotho in any non-obscure movie yet?

If you've got beef with cultural bias, take it to the education system.


and not so. we are here now. they are not. As titans we walk in the timeless garden of stars.

You know, that kinda implies that you're in favor of the whole "history is written by the victors" thing.

Rather unsavory, that.



first i'd just like to say http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=2225.0

wat


You're seriously going to compare the Barroc to a joke race?

Just because they're "unoriginal?"

If I recall, the Barroc were more active, hence contributed more to the story, than your Gradient.

Starwars is unoriginal, guess they're not good enough for this Retcon-Verse standards?

Even the Nauceans, yes the Nauceans, are just a mix of dolphin, squid and bipedal lizard. Before all the futuristic stuff, their history was a thinly veiled allegory to human development, with water-sih themes tacked in. Hydro admitted this himself.

Heck, UFO accused most of my races of being caricatures without asking first whether I had something in store for them that I just hadn't gotten into because, you know, I have a life.



some stuff is just stupid anyway and doesnt matter.

I agree with that.

What I don't agree is that races should be removed because they are "unoriginal."

As for stupid, the Graid are highly improbable to anyone who knows biology.

Guess we should remove them too.

Let's face it. If we're really anal about this, nothing much would be left.




Hairy Sneegle

what.

Just leave them as a filler race. There's no need to resort to drastically nuke everything to extinction, which is what's happening here.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 12:27:01 am »
( I would say if nobody can name anything about something and we aren't taught about it at all, then as a matter in general it has effectivly been removed from history. just a thought. has no bearing)

oh, and this is totally a reboot. just keeping a few old bits and bobs we found in the attic.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2011, 12:53:07 am »
Alright Yuu, I get what you mean now. Thank you for the further explanations. (I guess Manila and Seattle are about the same distance from Ouagadougou.) So yeah, this is pretty much a reboot. We're keeping only a few OG species, but the history is something I most definitely want to keep! The wars against Halcyon, REDSTAR, and the Communicants had a great deal of impact on the galaxy, especially the Communicants since they annihilated a mess of OG races.

My axis of crap and non-crap is actually 2-D unlike yours; I have added the dimension of importance. Thus, I cut off the square of non-important crap from my grid and keep the rest, including the important crap that you love.

I've got this idea for the Torpals that explains both how their empire faded and a lot of other species were wiped out: A few (Perran) decades after the Communicants were destroyed, the Torpalian Empire got fed up with the remaining species and their own government's ineptitude. They overthrew it and installed a very militaristic one that embarked on a massive campaign against the rest of the known galaxy. This moment of success was short-lived, as the species that hadn't been eradicated after a year or so mobilized and launched a huge counteroffensive. This outside pressure coupled with splintering and side-taking within the Torpals disintegrated their Empire into a gigantic civil war and left a whole lot of collateral damage to say the least. Most Torpals were killed or fled, and both Tjorn and Cardotyrannus IV were erased from the charts. Nowadays the remnants of the empire's core are off-limits and still plagued by warlords and pirates.

Sound good to you all? Well... Yuu, Raz, Tripod, Kitkat, GG, Crazen, Necro, Badger, Octagonapus... You nine?

EDIT: Oh, and how does this sound for the dimensions of a rectangular grid of the known galaxy?: 1,000 x 750 ly. The long part is corewards.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 12:58:13 am »
( I would say if nobody can name anything about something and we aren't taught about it at all, then as a matter in general it has effectivly been removed from history. just a thought. has no bearing)

The descendants of the tribesmen who got kidnapped and put in a zoo by late twentieth century Americans would just love to meet you, just sayin'.


oh, and this is totally a reboot.

Is this true?

If so, move on.

What I was against was the razing of the OG and RG.

What initials are we gonna use as markers "[  ]" ?

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 01:12:24 am »
Every single time anyone has ever tried to make a new galaxy with special initials after the RG they failed and their projects died. I suggest we avoid this curse and continue with [RG], because what I'm trying to do here is just give the main timeline a really good polishing. It could count as a reboot, but let's not attract the wrath of the initial gods by breaking their Seventeenth Commandment or whatever. Besides, this is the Reborn Galaxy being reborn. What the heck d'you call that?
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 01:16:15 am »
Or we could forego initials. The RG is dead now and a new galaxy is being made. Wouldn't it be easiest to have no initials like they did in the OG before the RG and the RG before the NC and NG and all that other crap?
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 01:26:20 am »
Hrm, hmm, mmrnmhrm. You make a darn good point!
So how about those dimensions I proposed, and the Torpals? Eh?
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 01:28:28 am »
I'm fine with the dimensions and torpals, maybe a bit more outer-mid section of the galaxy so my species can remain in an outskirty type region. So long as everyone else is fine with it that is.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 01:21:39 am »
So how about those dimensions I proposed, and the Torpals? Eh?

The Communicant War-Era Torpals don't strike me as one who would do that kind of thing. There'd have to be a clear military threat for them to riot or go to war with their allies.

Maybe you can make it something more along the lines of the Union get thrown into a civil war, again. As usual, this is gonna spill out and affect everyone else. One of the factions could be reasoned to have Anti-Torpalian tendencies, and proceed to wage war with the Torpals, with the false idea that the Communicant War crippled them enough to be easy pickings.

Surprise, they aren't and the Torpal gets drawn into the whole conflict as well.

On the other end of civilization, Communicant stragglers, the Mon Krai and other Communicant Allies are rebuilding their military. Seeing the whole mess in the outer rim as an opportunity, they strike, mutually annihilating each other for the most part.

As for the Wexxians in the Shadow Station that were left to watch over the galaxy, they could only assassinate so many people, and at this state there really isn't anything that can be done without slugging it out with the others using traditional armies, something which the Shadows just aren't numerous enough for.

This also easily explains why the Galactic Senate doesn't exist anymore.

Basically, Space-OP Unthinkable gone terribly, terribly wrong.



As for the dimensions, sure.

How this could be translated to a radial system for the 3D map I'm not sure, but I'll try. After all, different projection types exist in real life, so it wouldn't be much of a problem. Maybe we could just explain it off as different map companies, which kinda makes sense, actually.

Also, for those wondering about stuff like colony ships or deep-space patrol/exploration fleets, I might also include them, seeing that most Kratair actually live in ships instead of star systems.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2011, 01:25:58 am »
maps are hard. lets go hiking.



The descendants of the tribesmen who got kidnapped and put in a zoo by late twentieth century Americans would just love to meet you, just sayin'.

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I AM a descendant of the tribesman who got banished and massacred by early 19th century Americans.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2011, 01:38:57 am »
I AM a descendant of the tribesman who got banished and massacred by early 19th century Americans.

You're an Igorot?

The First Philippine Republic lost to the US and that's why these things are never heard of anymore, which is my point.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2011, 01:50:41 am »
Yuu, I think he means Native Amerindian.
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2011, 02:27:40 am »
Yuu, I think he means Native Amerindian.

I am quite aware of that.   :)

My point was that there have been a lot of victims of society-tolerated abuse throughout history that have unfortunately been covered-up because the victims lost the conflict.

Crazen's comment earlier just happened to resonate with that so I just pointed it out as a reminder. The more you know, etc, etc.   :)

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 03:02:16 am »
Listen, Yuu... For what it's worth as a Pacific American, I feel total and absolute SHAME for the atrocities my ancestors committed against yours. The First Philippine Republic should have been the only, and... Well, I'm not too good with words so you can look up Mark Twain and let him express things in a much more eloquent manner. Seriously though, the black bow tie really should have laid in that wardrobe unworn forever. Go Philippines. And go whatever Crazen is.

*A-hem*

So!
So how about those dimensions I proposed, and the Torpals? Eh?

The Communicant War-Era Torpals don't strike me as one who would do that kind of thing. There'd have to be a clear military threat for them to riot or go to war with their allies.

Maybe you can make it something more along the lines of the Union get thrown into a civil war, again. As usual, this is gonna spill out and affect everyone else. One of the factions could be reasoned to have Anti-Torpalian tendencies, and proceed to wage war with the Torpals, with the false idea that the Communicant War crippled them enough to be easy pickings.

Surprise, they aren't and the Torpal gets drawn into the whole conflict as well.

On the other end of civilization, Communicant stragglers, the Mon Krai and other Communicant Allies are rebuilding their military. Seeing the whole mess in the outer rim as an opportunity, they strike, mutually annihilating each other for the most part.

As for the Wexxians in the Shadow Station that were left to watch over the galaxy, they could only assassinate so many people, and at this state there really isn't anything that can be done without slugging it out with the others using traditional armies, something which the Shadows just aren't numerous enough for.

This also easily explains why the Galactic Senate doesn't exist anymore.

Basically, Space-OP Unthinkable gone terribly, terribly wrong.



As for the dimensions, sure.

How this could be translated to a radial system for the 3D map I'm not sure, but I'll try. After all, different projection types exist in real life, so it wouldn't be much of a problem. Maybe we could just explain it off as different map companies, which kinda makes sense, actually.

Also, for those wondering about stuff like colony ships or deep-space patrol/exploration fleets, I might also include them, seeing that most Kratair actually live in ships instead of star systems.
I'm feeling a bit tired right now and I love the way you explain things so vividly, so would you mind informing me about what the Union was, who was in it, who in it was anti-Torpal, what the Shadow Station was, what and where the Galactic Senate was, what OP stands for, and whether we're using blobs or circles, preferably circles?

In the meantime I'll do that myself anyway, or perhaps more important stuff. I dunno.

Oh, and a good chunk of the map will be unexplored, giving us ample space for new species and areas!
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2011, 03:48:26 am »
While you guys are doing that... On the outer edge of the space we are using can we have my Quadratic Star system, the closest other stars to it being 6 LY away.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2011, 04:09:44 am »
Alright, sure thing! Howzabout I put the species in locations that correspond very generally to their places on the ex-map? Oh, and let's make location names for areas and nebulae, like the Classical Expanse or Outer Verge! You know, like in Mass Effect! Yeah!

So, circles or blobs? Again, I'm in favor of circles.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2011, 05:44:04 am »
the Union was, who was in it,

The Grand Union, Enlightened Republic/Union, Liberal Union, or simply, the Union is an old alliance of civilizations composed of many Golden and Silver Age nations.

While generally well-meaning, they have this unfortunate tendency to experience massive civil unrest between its members, for a number of reasons.

Not surprisingly, the term "Union" has been turned by some RPers into some kind of jinx.



who in it was anti-Torpal,

While no one is specifically Anti-Torpal as far as I can recall, the vast diversity of political opinion within the Union makes it the likeliest to foster a faction that is both Anti-Torpal and has the firepower to back it up.

Basically, the Union is always just one massive internal conflict away from becoming pretty much anything, politics-wise.



what the Shadow Station was,

The Shadow Station is a highly secretive militarized space station owned by the Shadows. The Shadows are an organization created for clandestine intelligence collection, intelligence analysis and covert tactical response. Originally founded by the Wexxian Avenger - Lord Axon after the Reclamation, the Shadows broke apart from the Wexxian Nation around the time of the Exodus and became their own faction, becoming the sole Wexxians left in the Galaxy until the Tri-Wexxians' return.

The station is hidden somewhere in the galaxy, its location known only to the Shadows. It acts as the HQ and home of all Shadows and Shadows in training. It is also completely self sufficient and capable of housing a lot of stuff.

Other than the cloaking shields, I think it also has a single large offensive weapon for emergencies, though I kinda forgot what it was like other than it operated via the latest Zero Point Technology they had at the time.

A little piece of trivia: The Shadows were originally, and are possibly still, purely Wexxian. However, Jack has stated that other races might get an invitation if their performance is good enough.



what and where the Galactic Senate was,

The Galactic Senate is basically a space station located somewhere in politically neutral space. It houses the Galactic Senate, a forum created from representatives of numerous races and civilizations.

They create and pass laws which must be obeyed by all members. Examples of issues that were discussed were laws on uplifting, foreign aid and the minimum budget for certain public services.

It's more or less a Space-UN.

There's an off-shoot of this called the Galactic Security Council or something to that effect, though it's not really something of note.



what OP stands for,

Operation.

Operation Unthinkable.

Churchill wanted to wage another war just after one of the bloodiest war in history.



and whether we're using blobs or circles, preferably circles?

It's kinda hard to explain using text.

This pic shows it best:



I'll use transparent spheres to achieve the same effect.


As for nebulae, I'll try and see what I can do. Haven't used SE in ages, so I'm still kinda relearning the ropes.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2011, 05:55:49 am »
Er, no. This map is on a larger scale than Spore, and even if you only draw circles from key systems it's still a pain to draw all of them! Besides, at a bigger scale it just gets all amoebic.

I'm just going with spheres of influence.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2011, 06:27:20 am »
Besides, at a bigger scale it just gets all amoebic.

Good point.

Still, I was kinda going for quasi-replica so people could do a fly by if they have the appropriate program(s), which is why I was pushing for spheres that coalesce if they overlap each other.

I'll try experimenting more in SE.



I'm just going with spheres of influence.

Exact spheres or metaphorical ones?

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2011, 11:25:40 am »
Probably exact spheres, unless they have a lot of territory, like the Kratair. A lot of spheres would overlap, but that seems appropriate. The overlaps would mean areas of major trade in peacetime and areas of major conflict in wartime. The only instances where an overlap would not occur would be with isolationist races who have closed borders. The spheres would merely push up against each other like a pair of...er...balloons.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2011, 08:08:21 pm »
Probably exact spheres, unless they have a lot of territory, like the Kratair. A lot of spheres would overlap, but that seems appropriate. The overlaps would mean areas of major trade in peacetime and areas of major conflict in wartime. The only instances where an overlap would not occur would be with isolationist races who have closed borders. The spheres would merely push up against each other like a pair of...er...balloons.

Indeed.

I tried it last night and it was actually pretty nice.

I haven't tried rendering it yet, but I'm sure it'd look better.


Hey, UFO, how about this for the 3D map:

Star Systems are circles, Colony Fleets are arrows and stations are squares.

We'll probably use a certain color for each nation.

For systems, fleets or stations with more than one owner, we could probably divide the markers using a line tool so that all colors are represented.

International places are probably white.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2011, 01:29:42 am »
Colony fleets? Pardon?

I guess you prefer stations more than I do. I always liked planets better. But what about the sites of extinct civilizations? We've got no shortage of those.

Say, who exactly is working out the precise locations of everyone? You or I?
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2011, 01:59:43 am »
Collaborate your vast intellects.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2011, 02:58:40 am »
Colony fleets? Pardon?

The Kratair, and depending on Crazen the Iavolg, among others.

The Kratair live in colony ships, which is part of the reason why Kratair marines, Kratair in general actually, are so good at spacebattles. Everyone is basically a born-sailor in their race, barring those on Ralston.

There's also the case of large fleets which travel far from their home port.

As for the stations, Kitkat might move the Talsenreave to elsewhere after its finished, and someone in the future might have plans to place plot-vital structures or locations in deep space.



Say, who exactly is working out the precise locations of everyone? You or I?

Depends on what everyone else thinks.

Though, personally, if it's fine with you, I'm okay with letting you plot out most of the stuff since you're the one currently doing the cartesian map. It'd be kinda confusing if we send locations back and forth when we have different coordinate systems.

I'm mostly just waiting for that map of yours so I could 3Dfy it.

In any case, if you haven't done it yet, you might wanna general PM everyone and ask them where they want to be, within reason (especially story-wise, ie. Perrawiih can't be excessively far from Khuris), on the cartesian map. Though, you might wanna remind them that the galaxy gets thinner as it gets further from the core.




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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2011, 03:30:34 am »
Alright then. I'm using the general locations as found on the galaxy-wide map, adjusting some species here and there. On the outer (upper) rim you've got the Sombrerons and Kratair, behind them the Torpal remnants, Nauceanica and Quillaris, not to mention the remains of all those long-gone alien civilizations. To their south are the races of the SPA on the right and the USSS on the left. South of the SPA is the Photos-Zeront area, and below the USSS is the Core Combine and the Vykusi-Milika area. Below that is speculative, i.e. I get to make up a ton of new alien lifeforms.

Does anybody mind if I post my prospective names for these regions a la Mass Effect? Also, how can I get a good grid with a transparent background fast?
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2011, 03:58:58 am »
I want to hear them.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2011, 06:08:26 am »
Go ahead with the alien names; perhaps the rest of us could help flesh them out as a side project >.>
No problem with region names either. For the good grid with transparent background, Photoshop or Gimp and use layers.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2011, 07:27:02 am »
To their south are the races of the SPA on the right and the USSS on the left. South of the SPA is the Photos-Zeront area, and below the USSS is the Core Combine and the Vykusi-Milika area.

Splendid.

This would do wonders for all those funky distance issues.  :)

Once we get a good feel for the distances involved, we could even try to at least get a semblance of a consistent FTL speed for each of our civilizations' systems. Previous RPs made us look like we were traveling through the Warp, in all honesty, what with the travel times which varied from a few minutes to entire months.  :S



Does anybody mind if I post my prospective names for these regions a la Mass Effect? Also, how can I get a good grid with a transparent background fast?

Fire away!

You might wanna add a third dimension to them, but only if it's okay with you. Wouldn't want to impose.




For the good grid with transparent background, Photoshop or Gimp and use layers.

I totally agree with this.

You can even simulate some depth with this.

If you have it already, Open/MS Powerpoint also works, though you might wanna turn off "snap to grid" after you've finished making the grid.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2011, 04:49:42 pm »
Allied Traverse
Agariki
Bino (Federal)
Fnarls
Goonals
Ishpali
Makal
Perrachi
Plikik
Qyooro
Rachak
Slakos
Weirg
Xinmayi
Shara Nebula
Ni'Calls

Arrowhead Nexus
Photos
Shadow
Ul'naja

Classical Expanse
Kratair
Nauceans
Quillarans
Sombrerons
Torpals

Decontacted Zone
Bino (Imperial)

Dead Zone
Iavolg

Graidient Threshold
Graidient
Thulithotle

Local Sector
Chivi
Choro Deidalus
Luzonians
Marakiri
Millgo
Pakuweinia

Outer Verge
Milika
Supara
Vykusi
Artificial Void
Caftain

Ragona Cluster
Arev
Corek
Harak
Rogyr
Skrall
Tirik
Xerga
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2011, 04:51:25 pm »
Are the Ul'naja someone's race or something you created as a placeholder? If the latter, may I go ahead and flesh them out?

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2011, 05:07:57 pm »
Sweet.


You could change the Imperial Sector to the Local Sector, I guess. That name was kind of an accidental one on the inhabitants' part that eventually stuck.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2011, 05:14:21 pm »
Are those actual races? Or just made up ones?

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2011, 05:40:37 pm »
I think most of those species are made-up. Also could the caftain, and I realize they haven't really been in the RP scene yet but, the outer region of the Outer Verge?
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2011, 05:53:40 pm »
Are the Ul'naja someone's race or something you created as a placeholder? If the latter, may I go ahead and flesh them out?
Dude, you MADE them! Also known as Para Minari, they're a race of symbiotic slugs that can attach to a Photos host and provide companionship. This turned out to be unexpectedly popular. Don't you remember?
Sweet.
You could change the Imperial Sector to the Local Sector, I guess. That name was kind of an accidental one on the inhabitants' part that eventually stuck.
Thanks, and will do.
Are those actual races? Or just made up ones?
The ones you don't know anything about indeed exist, but I haven't posted any info on them yet. The Ishpali, Agariki, Qyooro, Xinmayi and Fnarls belong to me, the Rachak, Weirg and Plikik belong to omegatripod, and the Xerga and Corek belong to SimplyNecro.
I think most of those species are made-up. Also could the caftain, and I realize they haven't really been in the RP scene yet but, the outer region of the Outer Verge?
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2011, 06:08:30 pm »
Oh. Derp.
Pardon, it's rather late and I've had a long day of school.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2011, 06:43:36 pm »
graid get there own sector? named after them?? they have one system.
and get referenced several times in one thread by people who aren't me? since when am I important?


oh, and if we are using filler races, might as well add Machy to the 'Ragona C.' and Thulithotle to 'Graidient Threshold.'


and depending on Crazen the Iavolg, among others.
they wouldn't work be a fleet marker
Hnangha (the soul collecting engine of blood and rust) never stops moving. and the Iavolg actually have hundreds of worlds including Hnangha(the planet), so maybe they should have marked territory (don't have a location yet. somewhere east) they just only live on them for a few months while then the planet gets wrapped up in skin and ichor, liquefied, and then pumped up through a tube (I'm taking the spider theme to it's logical conclusion. Hnangha drinks planets, Agnasi drinks babies)
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2011, 06:46:41 pm »
What could be done with the final map, is take nebula pictures and make viewer-facing models all around, making it appear more 3-dimensional.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2011, 07:39:45 pm »
Er, you all do realize that these are far from the only regions, right? You can easily make up your own if they're distinct. Heck, you can even make up sub-regions, like little nebulae! I don't mind!
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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2011, 07:48:57 pm »
In that case, in preparation for future species I will make, the caftain would be in The Artificial Void. >.> because their star, along with the other 6 in the region, are all artificially made by some ancient species.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2011, 08:05:49 pm »
Alright. Any more regions or sub-regions? Anyone?
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« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2011, 08:18:58 pm »
Probably at least one expanse full of ruined systems from the war that affected the OG, kinda like a ghost townregion?

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« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2011, 08:20:37 pm »
Deadzone
Iavolg
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« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2011, 09:03:30 pm »
Decontacted Zone
Bino (Imperial)
Various
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« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2011, 09:39:17 pm »
Probably at least one expanse full of ruined systems from the war that affected the OG, kinda like a ghost townregion?
That would be the Classical Expanse. I could make a graveyard sub-region, except nobody would inhabit it and thus I couldn't write anything down. :P
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Bino (Imperial)
Various
Decontacted? Imperial Bino...? Could you elaborate? I'm getting old, my memory's failing me.
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« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2011, 09:42:37 pm »
Due to somewhat religious/political reasons, the Imperial and Federal Bino governments (split halfway down the planet) refuse to contract each other out of fear. There is a large region of space occupied by the Imperial Binos and their allies they discovered, and the Federal Bino, in contact with the rest of the galaxy, absolutely refuse to even acknowledge their existence. They deny any contact in or out of the zone, basically like a demilitarized zone, hence the term "decontacted".
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« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2011, 08:23:58 am »
Space Korea, but with (presumably) equally competent governments?


That would be the Classical Expanse. I could make a graveyard sub-region, except nobody would inhabit it and thus I couldn't write anything down. :P

People who are in hiding, maybe?

Lots of dangerous stuff lying around, abandoned, ripe for turning into jury-rigged defenses.

It's the perfect place for setting up a secret base, especially if you have the time and patience to set up a metric ton of traps.

The only drawback is you're gonna have to have a lot of guts to even enter the place considering all the possible mines and booby traps one might trigger, which could also be explained as the reason for why it remains to be a ghost region in the first place.

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2011, 09:38:48 am »
By the way, what do you guys think of the general structure of the galaxy? Disc? Spiral? Barred spiral? How many true and false arms?

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2011, 09:23:45 pm »
I have never seen a work of good sci-fi that wasn't in a spiral galaxy. I'd love to see...

THE ANTENNAE GALAXIES! Or maybe the SOMBRERO GALAXY!! Or perhaps even HOAG'S OBJECT!!!

But we should keep it simple, so I'll say a spiral unbarred flocculent disc galaxy, 10,000 LY in diameter.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2011, 07:12:37 am »
The Fiikkal are not in the RG, BTW. Or at least they shouldn't be, since they are owned by a banned member (my dear brother). Also since the AC never took off, the Crystalion will be in there somewhere, isolated from contact (simply because they've had no RG type contact yet).
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2011, 10:52:31 am »
The Fiikkal are not in the RG, BTW. Or at least they shouldn't be, since they are owned by a banned member (my dear brother). Also since the AC never took off, the Crystalion will be in there somewhere, isolated from contact (simply because they've had no RG type contact yet).
What did Kenobro get banned for again? I don't remember hearing anything about it, really. Just one day heard he got banned >.>

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2011, 07:25:27 pm »
I'm pretty sure we aren't allowed to talk about banned people, but that might just be ones like Yannick and junk or something.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2011, 07:37:56 pm »
That not talking about banned people rule is rediculous. It's like we're scared to admit that people on the board actually misbehave and have to be banned sometimes.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2011, 09:34:56 pm »
I think Yannick got banned on purpose. He wanted to leave with 6666 posts, but since people delete threads sometimes his post count has slowly shrunk. Andrew Ryan and Necronomicon left on purpose but weren't banned. I think that's what happened to some ancient figure named werechicken too - back in the day you could delete your own account. Gec left because of some sort of dispute with PatMan33. Kenobro? I really don't know, but the dusty depths of my memory tell me that he left because he was busy with other things. I could be wrong, though.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2011, 07:20:51 am »
Kenobro got banned because he tried to hack accounts, including LadyM's. She saw "our" IP and I told her that it was all him and he was the only one who got banned, which also banned for a while my IP, so I was away for that reason for a while.
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2011, 08:11:37 am »
For curiousity's sake, why the bother did he try to hack accounts? Grudges/Revenge? Did he just want to be an @$$?
I'm just curious, I was away when this whole thing transpired (also I'm interested if he tried to hack mine >.>)

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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2012, 07:25:38 pm »
Wait, what exactly did I miss in this discussion?

Also, is the Kaivik star cluster on this map?
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Re: [RG] Three Dimensional Map of the Reborn Galaxy
« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2012, 08:51:48 pm »
We tried to make a 3d map of the galaxy.

I was waiting for UFO for that map so I could use it as a base.

We'll probably transfer this to the project later on.