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Offline Logan Felipe

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Re: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2010, 03:38:02 pm »
Scott was dumb and a jerk.
I keep hearing this from various people. Having seen the film multiple times, I'd argue that this gross generalization of the character not only doesn't do the character justice, but completely misses the point of the movie. For most of his life he's just impetuous. He's one of those individuals who's empathetic and sensitive, but after incidents of getting hurt or hurting others (through breakups, etc.) learned to distract himself from his problems rather than confront them. Which, unfortunately for Knives, is why he dated her in the first place. When he's in a relationship (prior to Ramona) he feels as though he doesn't have to face his problems. So when Natalie (aka Envy) breaks up with him, not only does he feel rejected for being dumped, but without a relationship, he starts reevaluating his decisions and getting introspective, which he's afraid of doing, because that would mean coming to terms with his prior actions and accepting responsibility. So he hooks up with Knives to distract himself from himself. Which is frankly the wrong reason to be in a relationship. Because, though he doesn't realize it (since he avoids introspection), he's using her.

His relationship with Ramona, along with his battles against her seven evil exes, serves as a complex and very well done visual metaphor, as Scott not only comes to terms with Ramona's baggage and learns to accept her as an individual despite her faults/baggage, but also comes to terms with his own faults/baggage (his poor relations with Envy, Kim, Knives, and in the books, Lisa, etc.), and mature into an adult.

One of several main plot points of the story is that Scott learns to confront his personal issues and take responsibility for his actions, culminating in the scene where he fights Gideon the second time, hence the line "I think I learned something...", and the whole scene where he apologizes to everyone and accepts responsibility for his actions.

Additionally, it should be noted that Knives is very much a star character in the film, along with Scott and Ramona. Knives' story is one of learning to move on, establish a strong sense of self-esteem and self-respect, and to reevaluate what she values in a healthy relationship.

The third plot is Ramona's, who in some ways is very similar to Scott. She originally agrees to hook up with Scott for the same reasons that Scott hooked up with Knives. She had just come out of a bad relationship, and, rather than deal with her past, she'd rather not talk about it, preferring to just pretend like it didn't happen. She keeps running away from her problems rather than coming to terms with them. Through her relationship with Scott, she's forced to revisit her past relationships, and grows skeptical that she can ever make a relationship work, citing that her past/baggage "keeps catching up with her". When Scott finally matures by the end of the film, he accepts Ramona for who she is, despite her baggage, establishing the foundations for a mature relationship.

The major theme of the film is best summed up in one of Ramona's lines: "No breakup is painless; we all have baggage."

The fact that the characters are so well developed and experience such powerful growth is one of the main factors that make this film worth far more credit than its been given.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2010, 08:05:19 pm »
i watched this movie last night,.. i really liked it

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Re: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2011, 06:28:24 pm »
I watched this on HBO yesterday.

This is definitely in my top 3 best movies I've ever seen. Soundtrack was cool, the visuals were GREAT, story was ridiculous, silly, and awesome, the characters were well developed, the action was stupendous, and to top it off the movie was hilarious. This movie is just pure fun wrapped with fun and given a sprinkle of fun.

Loved it.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2011, 08:53:52 pm »
The six comicbooks were far superior. They actually flesh Scott out to the point that he is actually likable. Yeah, he's still a jerk to begin with, but that is shown more clearly to be his immaturity, and Ramona is the catalyst that causes him to step his life up a notch, and straighten himself out. The entire thing is about the subtler parts of the transition to adulthood, kinda.

I really didn't like the film much. They had so much stuff to squish into a single film, that they made it feel really awkward and attention-deficit. Whilst that is kind of the style of the comics, everything has a better flow to it. The biggest instance of this is Scott and Ramona's falling out, where in the comics it is shown to be the result of emotional fatigue and small things mounting up, in the movie he just randomly starts taking verbal jabs at her that felt flatly jerkish instead of comical. Or how because he was the one to confess he cheated on Knives, and he only said so because he knew it was about to be revealed, they suddenly forgave him enough to fight beside him?

Condensing it to this degree just made it seem like it was trying to be LOLRANDUM, and all the finer, more upbeat tones were replaced with an overall feel of everyone simply being deadpan jerks. Besides, for some reason, Scott's actor just didn't really fit it, in my opinion. He seemed way too lethargic and timid, instead of perky-yet-childish. Kim just ended up seeming like a complete ass, too. Blegh. They just butchered the actual underpinning story to be able to fit in as many of the easier hitting gags, and I just think it really didn't work.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2011, 11:57:09 pm »
See I didn't read the books.

So I thought it was awesome. Cera was very likable in his own nerdy, not really getting it fashion. He was someone I did end up rooting for because I liked him. I didn't consider him a jerk so much as just oblivious to the consequences of his actions, ie a child. I like the whole growing up and learning something scene.

Sure the end started to feel rushed with Ramona and Scott's relationship never really being shown to have real chemistry on screen but idk I sort of just assumed they had some off-screen relationship building. Was a quirky, non-serious movie so I didn't dissect the relationships too much and just rolled with whatever the movie was giving me as the truth. This indian guy can fly and summon demons? Ok! This guy is Vegeta? Ok! This girl can teleport? Ok! Ramona can pull a giant sledgehammer from nowhere? Ok! Scott pulls a sword from his chest? Ok! Ramona and Scott are close? Ok! Hell with everything else movie just sort of goes, 'here, this is just what is'. I liked that. It was different and it was fun and no questions needed to be asked.

And to be fair I sort of 'got' his jabs at her; he was upset after being attacked four times, so it was understandable he would be frustrated and demanding answers the way he did.

Idk the movie was awesome. Loved it and too bad you couldn't like it either i guess.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2011, 12:03:42 am by eropS »
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Re: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2011, 12:25:06 pm »
The way I saw it was the movie was good in it's own right, but if you read the books first it was a bit of a let down, simply because the books set the bar so high.  Personally I think it would've worked better as an animated series.
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