Also, comparing WoW to Pong? I haven't played Civ5 yet, but I find that to be a highly exaggerated comparison. Comparing Civ5 as a crudely programmed video game during the dawn of home entertainment system is quite a far cry when considering all the effort put into the presentation of Civ5. It just doesn't have nearly as much the content, sure. But you're forgetting this game is still fairly new with a possible expansion in the works. The modding community still has yet to grow accustomed to the new environment. Obviously the amount of available mods for Civ4 make it all the more appealing, hence why you conclude Civ5 sucks.