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« on: July 17, 2010, 02:01:55 pm »
Saw Inception last light. I liked it. It starts off a little rough because they throw a lot of stuff at you, but once things get going, it's get good. It's defiantly the kind of movie you need to see a couple times if you want to grasp everything. Lot of stuff going on.


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Re: Inception
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 02:40:39 pm »
I really loved this movie!

I found myself having to explain it to my friends. ;D
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2010, 03:13:43 pm »
I'll be seeing it soon, hopefully. Need fodder for reviews.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 03:56:12 pm »
I closed that after the spoiler warning. Sounds like I can go and expect this to be good.

That said, it always annoys me when people say something might be "too smart". That's pretty condescending and pretentious. I know he wasn't saying it, I'm not referring to him. Just saying, in general.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 05:51:50 pm »
Condescending to who? The stupid people? They can take it.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2010, 08:54:42 pm »
This movie was fantastic!

You'll be explaining it to your inferior friends every time it's played over the next three years.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2010, 09:54:32 am »
This is the Titanic meets the Big Giant Head movie, right?  ;D

It's actually more Shutter Island meets The Matrix.

I have a review for it now, by the way.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2010, 02:04:19 pm »
And it is awesome! Like, really awesome.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2010, 06:50:53 pm »
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Inception had hype? I didn't see any of it....huh.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 04:45:40 am »
Yeah, this movie wasn't that hyped.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 10:31:41 am »
Was for me.

Now I need to get to doing today's review.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2010, 11:35:52 am »
I guess by hype he means that a lot of people he knew said it was really good.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2010, 12:44:37 pm »
Most people I knew said something along the lines of "What the hell is Inception?", "Leo is a worthless actor," or "Oh, that's that dumb looking movie with the bending city."

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Re: Inception
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2010, 06:17:26 pm »
Really cause Leo has been in some pretty awesome movies over the years.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2010, 07:12:05 pm »
Nice base for a plot, they could have done a lot with it, but just... didn't. It had the potential to be more up to "The Matrix" standards, but unfortunately it ended up as more of an "ExistenZ." There is some eyecandy, some interesting moments, but it is all pretty thin on the ice, and the little plot hooks they throw can be guessed a mile away by anyone who watches the occasional movie. Not bad, but not something i'd really watch again. Missable.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2010, 07:47:24 pm »
I can't think of a Leo movie that wouldn't have been improved by having a casting change.

Catch Me If You Can? Shutter Island? He was awesome in those.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2010, 10:51:36 pm »
I can't think of a Leo movie that wouldn't have been improved by having a casting change.

Catch Me If You Can? Shutter Island? He was awesome in those.

I guess he doesn't get out much
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Re: Inception
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2010, 11:41:26 pm »
I can't think of a Leo movie that wouldn't have been improved by having a casting change.

Catch Me If You Can? Shutter Island? He was awesome in those.

I guess he doesn't get out much

I find it sad you can't think of someone who could have done a better job.  :P
Guess you've never heard of Zac Efron or Justin Bieber!  ;D



Plenty could. That is the case for most movies though, so its really not a point for any sort of argument
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Re: Inception
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2010, 01:34:14 am »
Yes, if the primary demographic for those films were teen/tweenage girls. Plus, isn't Justin Bieber a singer? And so has no acting ability whatsoever?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shutter Island certainly wasn't aimed there.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2010, 04:43:51 am »
The departed was also awesome.

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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2010, 07:04:29 am »
Indeed. DiCaprio's a pretty good actor. Perhaps a little type-cast, though.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2010, 07:08:50 pm »
I have to say, I really liked it!

But I mean, there's a cliff hanger ending, and then there's just plain cruelty.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2010, 11:32:16 pm »
It's not a cliff-hanger. It's ambiguity, or uncertainty.

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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2010, 04:06:03 am »
Yeah... A load of my friends and people I know evidently don't know what ambiguity is. They just thought we were meant to see that it hadn't fallen. :/
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2010, 06:44:42 am »
It's not a cliff-hanger. It's ambiguity, or uncertainty.

Meh, that's pretty much what I meant.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2010, 07:00:39 am »
Yeah... A load of my friends and people I know evidently don't know what ambiguity is. They just thought we were meant to see that it hadn't fallen. :/

But It was falling wasn't it?
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Re: Inception
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2010, 07:21:14 am »
It was starting to wobble.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2010, 09:24:03 am »
It's meant to leave you questioning a number of possible options.

1. Was he still in a dream? (Unlikely, as the top never wobbled in a dream)
2. Was he in reality?
3. Is Michael Cane really good at spinning tops?
4. Was his wife right and is his reality just another layer of the dream? (This is my bet. Too many hints towards it throughout the film)


They could never give you a definite answer, though. That'd ruin the whole point of the film.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2010, 06:20:22 pm »
I believe that he was in a dream at the end, and the top was starting to wobble because it's his totem, and he knows how it feels and stuff. I believe it would also start to wobble if he was 100% convinced it was reality, and the dream physics are only really based on the conviction of the dreamer.
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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2010, 07:56:28 pm »
What evidence is there to support that? It would have played out exact the same way if he was not dreaming.
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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2010, 09:34:45 pm »
And thus you realize why this movie could end no other way.
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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2010, 07:43:37 am »
I think that the fact that his kids are still in same place (and that the whole place looks similar to his memory of it) is more indicative of being in dream state than a wobbly top.

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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2010, 10:41:30 am »
What evidence is there to support that? It would have played out exact the same way if he was not dreaming.

In the movie they talk about the fact that you can't touch someone else's totem because then you can use it to convince someone they're in reality, by perfectly simulating it. Since Cobb was both the architect and the dreamer, he knew what the totem felt like and so his mind perfectly simulated it. As the dream points out, you don't normally realizing you're dreaming until it's over.

In one sequence, we see that all it took to convince Mal that she was in reality was planting the fallen top into her subconscious.

And yeah, as Gungnir just said, it was exactly like his last memory of the house.
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« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2010, 02:59:39 pm »
Yes, but that still isn't enough.

The reason the place looks similar to his memory, is because its his house which is the place that his memory is based off, so of course It will look exact the same. That provides no proof that he is in a dream.

Unless you are saying that the whole time he was assembling the team together, he was dreaming and Mal was actually right about committing suicide, then I have no real reason to believe that he was.

(Sorry if that made no sense.)
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Re: Inception
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2010, 03:54:36 pm »
So much for avoiding spoilers.

I choose to think the top was going to tip over, because that's the happier ending.
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2010, 05:32:49 pm »
Unless you are saying that the whole time he was assembling the team together, he was dreaming and Mal was actually right about committing suicide, then I have no real reason to believe that he was.

(Sorry if that made no sense.)

That would make even less sense, as the top did topple a few times during the movie

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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2010, 10:48:00 pm »
Unless you are saying that the whole time he was assembling the team together, he was dreaming and Mal was actually right about committing suicide, then I have no real reason to believe that he was.

(Sorry if that made no sense.)

That would make even less sense, as the top did topple a few times during the movie

As was about to at the end of the movie
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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2010, 01:54:16 pm »
Let's not forget that the entire movie is dotted with hints that DiCaprio is dreaming, such as his father saying "Come back to reality, son", or that Ariadne was the name of the Greek Goddess of mazes (not to mention other cast members having mildly mythological names), etc.
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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2010, 02:39:51 pm »
I wouldn't put too much into the characters' names.  Characters often get names that are meaningful or reference something just because the writer feels like it.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2010, 03:28:50 pm »
Good film.

Its like Oceans 11 meets the Matrix :D
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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2010, 03:29:51 pm »
I heard someone pose the question - why is Mal sitting on the ledge opposite their hotel room when she's about to kill herself.

Things make sense in a dream, and only after we wake up do we realize anything was strange!
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« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2010, 03:34:36 pm »
She booked two hotel rooms, that way he couldn't stop her.
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« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2010, 04:15:18 pm »
Saw it last night, was able to whisper the my girl friend That they would end the movie before we found out if the top fell, I like the idea of it being reality (for the reason of it being a nicer ending to) having said that the top being simulated theory works being it his own totem in his own dream.

The rest of the whole movie I treated like watching Pyschonaughts: the movie. Just had some cool parallels the strange gravity effects the mind fighting back against intruders etc.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2010, 08:17:57 pm »
I loved the action sequence where Yusuf's van was tumbling and Arthur is fighting projections in the hotel.
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« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2010, 09:05:44 pm »
I half expected that to act as a "kick", but yeah that whole scene was awesome.

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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2010, 09:35:44 pm »
The zero gravity fight was awesome.  But I would laugh out loud every time they cut back to the van slowly falling, for what felt like 45 minutes.
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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2010, 10:21:37 pm »
The idea being they were falling for about 45 mins depending how many levels down in the dream you were.

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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2010, 04:30:53 am »
It didn't really sync up with what they said earlier though. It was something like...

An hour = Several days = Several months = 10 years in the third dream level.

So the van should have taken much longer to hit the water.
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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2010, 07:06:48 am »
I'm guessing they are only really estimating the time speed difference seeing they dont really have a reiable point of reference while in the dream.

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« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2010, 02:03:58 pm »
Actually, they were pretty good about the time. It was factors of 20. 10 seconds of the van falling is 3 minutes in the hotel room, which is an hour in the level below that, which is twenty hours in the level below that. Meanwhile, 10 seconds of the van falling is half a second in actual reality.

After that, it was all about using a "jump" to go up a level too. It timed up nicely.

Also, it makes one wonder how long Cob and his wife were under for, since an eight hour sleep cycle at the lowest level translates into 8hrs*20^4, or roughly 146 years (rounding down).
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« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2010, 04:01:52 pm »
They were under for about 50 years.

He says as much in the movie.

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« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2010, 11:32:58 pm »
I'm guessing when it is just the 2 of you 50 years is more than enough time to spend in the ultimate Gmod ever.

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« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2010, 11:24:15 pm »
Saw it!

I say it was all a dream. There are too many repeated lines and sequences (such as his kids not aging at all when he returns home and them doing the exact same thing, leap of faith, 'half a dream', etc). His father telling him to come back to reality. The fact that getting out of 'limbo' was never fully explained. The fact Saito just shows up at the most convenient time in India. His wife was actually RIGHT when she killed herself. And finally, the audience has no totem. When were we show 'reality'? When they're on the train, do you remember how we the audience got there? The film makes it a point to say that if you don't remember how you got there, you're in a dream. Does the film show us how we got anywhere? Or are we just, there.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2010, 04:59:45 am »
Uhh.. Pretty sure no movie shows how the characters get to all their scenes in any movie
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« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2010, 05:09:14 am »
Yeah but the common allegory is that all movies are a shared dream.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2010, 11:02:33 am »
My theory: He woke up. It's very simple. In the beginning of the movie we see the movie title but it's just a bunch of mish-mash letters, because we all know that you can't read in dreams. At the end of the movie we see the tile and can read it clearly, therefore he is awake. Nevermind the fact that most signs in the "real world" are in foreign languages
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Re: Inception
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2010, 11:40:20 pm »
Firstly you can read in dreams I dont know who has been perpetuating that but I have seen and perfectly read text in my dreams before. Secondly the small text thing we brought the spoiler roll over box to avoid that putting small text in the tags is both annoying and redundant.

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Re: Inception
« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2010, 05:37:07 am »
Also, ilikesanta, I think it's possible that the drugs they take to have shared dreams help stabilize the dreams, since in general, the dreams make more sense and are more stable than real dreams.
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Re: Inception
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2010, 08:23:35 am »
Great movie, just finished watching it.

A bit complex, but it's not as bad as that one James Bond / 007 movie I watched a few years ago.

Actually pretty great.