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Political Correctness going too far?
« on: December 06, 2005, 02:18:52 pm »
Everybody's afraid to just say "Merry Christmas" for fear of hurting other peoples' feelings. I don't believe in God, or Jesus for that matter, but I don't get my panties in a tither when I recite the pledge of allegiance in the morning (If people don't know, it includes the words "Under God" in it). Anybody else feel that we need to cool it with this PC BS?



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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2005, 02:30:44 pm »
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2005, 10:15:56 am »
It's actually the reverse for me....I've gotten chewed out for typing "Xmas" in instant messages or irc simply because it's shorter.

Gay marriage has left center-stage, so the new thing to whip people into baseless hysteria is "they want to take Christ out of Christmas!" - I think that campaign started last year...at least that's the first time I became aware of it.

I don't really care about the words in the pledge (even though they weren't there originally), or that they're on the currency, except in relation to the pretext that church and state are supposed to be separate - that's the only argument I'd pose for taking them out - otherwise, don't have that pretext anymore.

(Though I do think the pledge every morning in school from kindergarten on is really strange - I can think of no other first-world country that does something similar.)

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2005, 10:37:15 am »
Funny enough, Target is being boycotted for saying "Holidays" or something PC like that instead of "Chrsitmas".

People get mad if you say Christmas and get even madder when you don't. I personally think saying "holidays" is better anyway. If I owned a buisness, I would want my campaigns to be for anyone, not just the majority.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2005, 11:02:51 am »
Funny enough, Target is being boycotted for saying "Holidays" or something PC like that instead of "Chrsitmas".
But saying "Holidays" isn't merely for the sake of political correctness. It's more than one holiday.
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2005, 11:28:43 am »
It's actually the reverse for me....I've gotten chewed out for typing "Xmas" in instant messages or irc simply because it's shorter.

Gay marriage has left center-stage, so the new thing to whip people into baseless hysteria is "they want to take Christ out of Christmas!" - I think that campaign started last year...at least that's the first time I became aware of it.


This is actually not new, its been around for awhile. I personally don't have a problem with it. Happy Holidays usually can be used to cover all the Hoidays like new year. But to change something like what you call a Christmas tree is going too far. It is a Christmas Tree !! Not a Holiday Tree.
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2005, 11:54:06 am »
Since human society has (For the most part) put a halt to beating each other senseless we have had to find other ways to bother people or prove that we are right.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2005, 11:54:40 am »
except in relation to the pretext that church and state are supposed to be separate - that's the only argument I'd pose for taking them out - otherwise, don't have that pretext anymore.

It doesn't actually say that anywhere in the Constitution. It says that the government won't do any favors for the church and the church shouldn't expect anything. It never says that they are completely seperate.

Since human society has (For the most part) put a halt to beating each other senseless

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2005, 12:00:09 pm »
Funny enough, Target is being boycotted for saying "Holidays" or something PC like that instead of "Chrsitmas".
But saying "Holidays" isn't merely for the sake of political correctness. It's more than one holiday.

That's what I meant by PC. Something that displays the holiday season without be exclusive to one holiday.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2005, 12:31:17 pm »
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2005, 01:02:01 pm »
One thing that irks me is when people call them holiday trees instead of Christmas trees. Don't. Just don't. Call it what it is. Its not my holiday, and it certainly isn't secular...
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2005, 01:19:49 pm »
No...it's Pagan!  ;D originally.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2005, 02:04:27 pm »
That's what I meant by PC. Something that displays the holiday season without be exclusive to one holiday.
Oviraptor is a person. So is Leng. Jayce is, too. Oviraptor has more posts, but together, they are not "Oviraptor," they are "people." Proper nouns and all that.
Christmas is a holiday. So is חנכה. Kwanzaa is, too. More people celebrate Christmas, but together, they are not "Christmas," they are "holidays." Proper nouns and all that.
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2005, 02:20:33 pm »
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One thing that irks me is when people call them holiday trees instead of Christmas trees. Don't. Just don't. Call it what it is. Its not my holiday, and it certainly isn't secular...

Following that argument you shouldnt call them Menorahs, they are "Yiddish celebration Candle holders" although I think the religious connotations of that are all too obvious.

The solution is not to not mention christmas, but to give mention to all the religious festivals which always happen around this time of year.
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2005, 02:28:22 pm »
Have a good Chrismahanakwanzaka!

And a happy Festivus for the rest of us!

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2005, 02:30:28 pm »
I'm shocked you could be so exclusionist! A happy Chrismuhanurammakadonakwansa to you sir!
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2005, 02:58:25 pm »
I think they should be called Christmas trees, if it wasnt for the concept of christmas then they wouldnt even exist. I really dont see how people can be in any way offended. It isnt the members of religious minorities that mind, its members of the majority trying to tell the minority what they should and shouldnt mind.
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2005, 03:05:59 pm »
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2005, 03:55:27 pm »
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It's actually the reverse for me....I've gotten chewed out for typing "Xmas" in instant messages or irc simply because it's shorter.
X=Crux
Xmas=Crucemas~Christmas
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2005, 04:29:08 pm »
I think it's going too far, personally. I agree with KS when he said "It isnt the members of religious minorities that mind, its members of the majority trying to tell the minority what they should and shouldnt mind." I've said this before, but I don't mind saying "under God." If you do mind saying that, it's either because you're hypersensitive or you're a jackass, or maybe you're just trying to sympathise with people who don't give a ****.

We should be open and accepting with people who celebrate different holidays, but we shouldn't make everything so vague that we strip everyone and everything of what makes it unique. America is 80% Christian, but God "the powers that be" forbid saying Christmas in public schools.

I mean, come on! Who are you trying to kid?! It's Christmas break. Notice how Hanukah usually falls outside the break, but for some reason Christmas always falls inside? It's just insulting.

And I think the problem that a lot of people have with Target and Christmas is that Target has ads that feature reaths (sp?) and red and green, but still say "Happy Holidays" when they obviously mean "Merry Christmas."

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2005, 05:20:08 pm »
wreaths? Did you forget about the spell check?

But yeah, all these bozos complaining about saying Christmas in pubic and "Under God" in the Pledge really rubs me the wrong way. If someone came right up to me and starting saying how great Kwanzaa (I think there is 2 A's in there) or Hanukah was, it wouldn't offend me in the least, not one little scrap of offendedness. I might even join them in celebrating, if they insisted.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2005, 07:21:05 pm »
And a merry solstice feast to you, too.
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2005, 08:46:12 pm »
They can't take away my Christmas Tree! I won't let them!

Maybe they should combine all the religious symbols together....

Like... a menorah with burning christmas trees in it in place of the candles and you can put the menorah in a bowl of fruit and the bowl can be grey to show how everything is melding together to form one bland culture and BAM!

Merry Holidays!

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2005, 08:57:21 pm »
I wish we'd just get back to the sacrificing of virgins - now that would be an entertaining holiday season!  Problem is, there are too many football games on at the time, so unless you did it during the halftime of every bowl game.....heeeey! - something to get people to watch halftime!  Throw band members into a burning pit!

We'd be honoring our ancient heritage :)

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2005, 09:00:31 pm »
Ahem.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2005, 11:53:12 am »
so if Christmas can be shortened to Xmas, does that mean that Christians can be shortened to Xians? thats just something I've always thought about.

anyway heres an article entitled "PC slowly suffocating Santa" its about how all the fun is being taken out of Xmas.

http://stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3505358a11,00.html

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2005, 01:46:16 pm »
Ont hat point, send all your virgins to me! I will deal with them accordingly!
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2005, 03:38:40 pm »
Ahem.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2005, 03:48:51 pm »
Have a good Chrismahanakwanzaka!
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2005, 03:49:23 pm »
Have a good Chrismahanakwanzaka!
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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2005, 03:57:14 pm »

" ::)" meant that I was being sarcastic.

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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2005, 03:58:20 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2005, 04:06:30 pm »
Atleast now you know.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2005, 04:37:03 pm »
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2005, 10:29:38 pm »
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2005, 03:07:54 am »
Well as my avatar icon pic thingy shows I am a fan of Foamy. Last years Christmas themed cartoon was reposted last week. It's still up on the home page at www.illwillpress.com. Foamy's opinions pretty much reflect my own and most of the forums here but still check it out its worth a good chuckle. Beware of Foamy's foul mouth though but I'm sure most people here don't mind the odd profanity being thrown around.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2005, 06:25:49 pm »
I hate ignorance.  I'm Bahai, and we don't really have a winter holiday... People are like, "OMG you dont celebrate anything in december!??!".

Actually, I still celebrate Christmas, and my Hindu friend does as well... so... Screw you all.

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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2005, 06:27:46 pm »
Actually, I still celebrate Christmas, and my Hindu friend does as well... so... Screw you all.

Well, that was a little bit random and impolite... But, I guess, I don't know...

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2005, 06:43:23 pm »
Yes.  I have no tolerance for the ignorant.  That's why I am rude to them.

About the randomness... Often I post replys to things when I am thinking of a totally different topic, such as ignorance.  To make it more on topic... sorta... I made it about holidays.


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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2005, 06:45:01 pm »
Actually, I still celebrate Christmas, and my Hindu friend does as well... so... Screw you all.

Well, that was a little bit random and impolite... But, I guess, I don't know...

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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2005, 06:48:43 pm »
Screw you all.

But nobody was being ignorant. Nobody said "OMG YOU DON'T HAVE A DECEMBER HOLIDAY OMG!" on these forums, so I don't know why that was necessary or pertinent.

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2005, 02:20:36 am »
the fact is that people will celebrate whatever local customs exist as well as their own. If I moved to China i'd celebrate chinese new year as well as western new year
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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2005, 10:25:36 am »
And why is it 'Merry' or 'Happy'? Why are wishing our will towards any group or individual? How insensitive is that? Maybe someone doesn't want to have a 'Happy' or 'Merry' encounter. What right do you have to impose that kind of personal pressure on them? Perhaps you willing them to be happy is in fact making their situation worse.

Want an example? If a cute blonde smiles at me in the wrong way/right way and wishes me a 'Nice Day',"Merry Christmas','Happy Holiday' my world gets darker, not for her direct action, but the the end result of the jealous wife wondering what is going on and trying to read in to the inflection and body language of the blonde. This woman's commentary just ruined the next two hours of my day... how dare she. She should have stopped, asked me to remove my glove, check for a wedding ring, verified that the wife was around or not, verified with the wife (if present) that it was OK to speak to me, then chosen something that was not as emotionally improper to say and perhaps dress in something less provocative as well. I mean really, that is the last time I go shopping with the wife at a strip club. Geez...

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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2005, 10:59:00 am »
OK i just had to comment on one thing. someone said something about joining all the religious symbols together. This, i think would offend anyone from any of the religions. Each religion believes it is the true religion, and to have their symbol joined with one of the other false religions would be an insult. just my thought on that.


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Re: Political Correctness going too far?
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2005, 11:03:26 am »
Not neccesarilly. Islam, Christianity and judaism are all essentially the same thing. They all evolved from the original religion founded by Abraham and they all consider Moses, Noah, Jesus and others sacred. i doubt they could be integrated easily with any other world religions though. Except possibly budhism.
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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2005, 11:08:23 am »
Not necessarily. Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all essentially the same thing.
I think that if you said that to a person who really follows each religion, they would really disagree with you. Yes they each have ties to each other, but if you look at the God who is worshiped in each religion, you would find a huge and irreconcilable difference. Jews believe in the same Old Testament god as Christians, however totally reject Jesus as being God, as the Christians believe. Allah, is totally not the same as the Christian God through character and how he treats humanity. Non educated followers of each religion might think they are the same God, but if you really looked at each religion closely, you would find them very different.

Buddhism is a very accepting religion, they believe that there are many ways to God, or enlightenment, but that some people choose to go the slower ways. I.E. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all other religions. So Buddhism is very welcoming, and i think would have the least problem with it.
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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2005, 01:04:37 pm »
Not neccesarilly. Islam, Christianity and judaism are all essentially the same thing. They all evolved from the original religion founded by Abraham and they all consider Moses, Noah, Jesus and others sacred. i doubt they could be integrated easily with any other world religions though. Except possibly budhism.

no. jews just think jesus may have been some guy who was alive at the time a bunch of people were claming to be the messiah. we in no way whatsoever think he was at all sacred, let alone the messiah. We're very diffrent from christianity and Islam. Very diffrent... Jewdiasm is the orignal religon founded by Abraham!

ok now were getting into the crazy business of what different sects within religions believe. Jesus is definitely a prophet of islam but they dont believe he was the messiah either.

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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2005, 01:10:56 pm »
right, and jesus was also supposed to be a prophet according to judaism, although sgore's rabbi seems to think differently.  they might've included some version of the gospels that didn't say he was the son of god, but then they had that whole identity crisis thing (admit it).
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« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2005, 01:17:08 pm »
Would anyone be interested in converting to atheism? :P

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« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2005, 01:18:52 pm »
sgore, you just emphasized my point, religions do not mix well at all. there are too many inconsistencies between them. Much of the differences revolve around the role that Jesus plays. In Judaism, he plays nothing, apparently, and no sacredness is applied to him. In Islam, he was a prophet only, some sacredness, but surely not the Son of God. In Christianity, Jesus is God, and therefor, holy and revered. You cannot reconcile these tree views, just on the basis of who Jesus was. There are obviously other views too. Eating habits among them, also what role actions of aggression to wards unbelievers of the faith takes. (yes Christians did kill and force conversions, but that is not what is taught in the Bible.)


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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2005, 01:55:48 pm »
right, and Jesus was also supposed to be a prophet according to Judaism, although sgore's rabbi seems to think differently.  they might included some version of the gospels that didn't say he was the son of god, but then they had that whole identity crisis thing (admit it).

No seriously Leng, Jesus has nothing to do with Judaism. The Islamic Faith believes he's a prophet. Jews do not. We don't. My Rabbi has nothing to do with it. Check out anything you want to check out. Look in any Jewish religious books, anything. Jews do not believe in Jesus. We seriously don't. Any Rabbi, or educated Jew will tell you that. (and like i said, don't use Jews for Jesus as a reference. Jews for Jesus isn't really Jewish.) And one last time for emphasis WE DON"T BELIEVE IN JESUS. Sorry if my tone came across as rude in any way, but That's the really offensive thing, When people say stuff like that without any apparent knowledge of our religion. 
Please read up on Judaism. There was no whole Identity Crisis thing. We have no Gospals (we have songs, but no gospals) especially not ones that denounce him as the messiah or anything else. We just don't mention him in our religion. He has nothing to do with it.  >:(

sgore, you just emphasized my point, religions do not mix well at all. there are too many inconsistencies between them. Much of the differences revolve around the role that Jesus plays. In Judaism, he plays nothing, apparently, and no sacredness is applied to him. In Islam, he was a prophet only, some sacredness, but surely not the Son of God. In Christianity, Jesus is God, and therefor, holy and revered. You cannot reconcile these tree views, just on the basis of who Jesus was. There are obviously other views too. Eating habits among them, also what role actions of aggression to wards unbelievers of the faith takes. (yes Christians did kill and force conversions, but that is not what is taught in the Bible.)
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« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2005, 03:05:58 pm »
I know a jew that believes in Jesus.




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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2005, 03:35:10 pm »
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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2005, 01:24:46 pm »

Let's be like Arnold and put aside our differences and get along.
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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2005, 02:08:13 pm »
no problem getting along, I was just clearing up some misconseptions about jewdiasm.
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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2005, 02:35:05 pm »
It's spelled Judaeism.

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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2005, 02:39:40 pm »
It's spelled Judaeism.

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Though actually spellcheck spells it as: Judaism

Still, I did spell it wrong...
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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2005, 03:04:24 pm »
Not neccesarilly. Islam, Christianity and judaism are all essentially the same thing. They all evolved from the original religion founded by Abraham and they all consider Moses, Noah, Jesus and others sacred. i doubt they could be integrated easily with any other world religions though. Except possibly budhism.

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« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2005, 03:05:19 pm »
It's spelled Judaeism.

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Though actually spellcheck spells it as: Judaism

Still, I did spell it wrong...

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« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2005, 03:45:47 pm »
Not neccesarilly. Islam, Christianity and judaism are all essentially the same thing. They all evolved from the original religion founded by Abraham and they all consider Moses, Noah, Jesus and others sacred. i doubt they could be integrated easily with any other world religions though. Except possibly budhism.

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« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2005, 04:16:38 pm »
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« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2005, 04:29:28 pm »
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« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2005, 08:07:50 pm »
Woah, did I start that religious debate?  Neato.

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Hmm... Sorry for mentioning ignorance again, but I swear it's on topic.

Most people I know say they are open minded and people should be too.  Then they do things like say Happy Holidays is taking Christ out of Christmas.  I just don't get it.  People tell me (aw no, I'm doing an off topic speech again!) that I'm not open minded for considering their religion.  In truth, I have considered most everything.  Except for Scientology.  And a few other weird-ass things.  (Sorry for offending people, its my nature.)  They haven't.  I rest my case.

(Though seriously, I'm having some doubts about religion.  How could God be all that great if he can't even get his people to stop bickering?  Oi!)

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« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2005, 08:29:39 pm »
I think its pretty sad that people were boycotting Wal-Mart because Wal-Mart insisted on saying "Happy Holidays". Now, I celebrate Christmast, but we can't center ourselves over one holiday! There are people who (shock!) don't celebrate Christmas. I think we need to respect their beliefs too.

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« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2005, 08:52:55 pm »
Anymore, there's someone out there who wll get offended no matter what you do.  The part I don't get is how such a small percentage of us manage to create such a stir over silly things like this.
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« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2005, 12:06:37 pm »
Anymore, there's someone out there who will get offended no matter what you do. The part I don't get is how such a small percentage of us manage to create such a stir over silly things like this.

the minority seems to have the louder voice.


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« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2005, 12:49:59 pm »
How about other forms of political correctness? Airline security: Airport security steers away from screening middle eastern men because they are afraid of being racists, even though a vast majority of hijackings are done by middle eastern men between the ages of 25 and 40. I'm not racist or anything, some of my best friends are Muslim. Just an example. Discuss away.

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« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2005, 02:20:23 pm »
"Vast majority" in this case meaning exactly 3?
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« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2005, 02:52:47 pm »
I don't know, I heard somewhere that it was all of the hijackings within the last 10 years on American soil. Nevermind. If this is completely false, I'm sorry. I don't remember the source and I probably couldn't find it.

I was just trying to open the discussion up to different types of political correctness, and now I look like a racist jackass. :'(

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« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2005, 03:51:29 pm »
in principle i agree with you 762, but i'm opposed to any screening at all.  in my opinion it would be worth have 1 or 2 9/11's every year to be free.  then again we can't forget about the alleged government coverup, so maybe next time a plane flies into a building it won't collapse....
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« Reply #72 on: December 22, 2005, 03:56:03 pm »
in principle i agree with you 762, but i'm opposed to any screening at all.  in my opinion it would be worth have 1 or 2 9/11's every year to be free.  then again we can't forget about the alleged government coverup, so maybe next time a plane flies into a building it won't collapse....
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« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2005, 05:57:06 pm »
OK i just had to comment on one thing. someone said something about joining all the religious symbols together. This, i think would offend anyone from any of the religions. Each religion believes it is the true religion, and to have their symbol joined with one of the other false religions would be an insult. just my thought on that.
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« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2005, 06:46:35 pm »
so maybe next time a plane flies into a building it won't collapse....
Then we're talking a tiny plane, a hell of a building, or a glancing hit.

In my opinion it would be worth have 1 or 2 9/11's every year to be free.
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« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2005, 07:04:53 pm »
OK i just had to comment on one thing. someone said something about joining all the religious symbols together. This, i think would offend anyone from any of the religions. Each religion believes it is the true religion, and to have their symbol joined with one of the other false religions would be an insult. just my thought on that.
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« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2005, 08:30:58 am »
so maybe next time a plane flies into a building it won't collapse....
Then we're talking a tiny plane, a hell of a building, or a glancing hit.

In my opinion it would be worth have 1 or 2 9/11's every year to be free.
Dear God.  Okay.  Screening based on ethnicity may be seen as not politically-correct, but it's not like we are imprisoning them for what they look like.  Our freedom is intact.  And the airline's freedom to refuse to allow you on a plane is intact.  They are a business and they have the right to refuse to take you anywhere.  There are all kinds of good reasons for them to NOT exercise that right too often, of course.  Anyway, I would never trade that many lives just to get rid of airport screening.  And I doubt the sanity of anyone who seriously would.

ok, to elaborate on my view, let's look at two versions of 911, the official and the conspiratorial.  we will ignore the question of which is correct in order to compare them logically.  in each case, i will ask you to take the person of the american public in general and evaluate how you would answer "the security dillema"

the official: islamic terrorists hijacked four planes - some of them having earlier infiltrated themselves as pilots - and flew two into the world trade center, another into the pentagon, and the fourth crashed when passengers tried to regain control.  the world trade center towers and some buildings nearby were destroyed in the attacks.  osama bin laden first denied, then admitted responsibility.  he and his network have been diminished but are still a real threat.

the security dillema: "we, the US government (group A) wish to prevent they, the islamic terrorists (group B) from launching additional attacks against you, the US populace (group C).  if security remains as it is, group B will be able to launch a major terrorist attack approximately every 6 to 18 months, killing several thousand in each attack.  however, if you allow us to intensify our security, we will be able to prevent such attacks.  you will be searched at airports and monitored in public places.  we will randomly note your financial transactions and other paper-trails you leave (there are quite a lot of these) although this should be noninvasive as it occurs without your knowledge.  we will investigate and detain suspected terrorists, also away from the public eye."  note that it is impossible for islamic terrorism to destroy or badly hurt the united states as they have no military or economic infrastructure.  they are limited to harrassing attacks.  also it is unlikely that the security threat will pass, even if al qaida and all other major islamic terrorist organizations are crushed.  the united states is under attack because it is a hegemonic power, and if the united states ceases to be a hegemonic power, it will face security threats from rival powers.  thus we are faced with the dillema as it stands and the answer will be relevent for the foreseeable future.

the conspiratorial: "the united states government flew cargo planes into the world trade center towers.  this alone would have been insufficient to destroy them, but the buildings were rigged for demolition ahead of time, as were nearby buildings not hit by planes.  the pentagon was struck by a cruise missile launched from a military jet.  at least one of the missing passenger jets was destroyed by a missile.  osama bin laden denied responsibility for the attacks.  at some point he was killed and all his later appearances (in which he admits planning the 911 attacks) are outright forgeries.  he thus becomes a figure alarmingly similar to that of emmanuel goldstein of 1984."

the security dillema: "we, the US government (group A) are establishing a police state.  you, the US populace (group B) will allow us to limit your freedoms and monitor you in public.  we will also randomly observe your paper trails.  there will be surveilance and detention of who we choose, but the numbers will be small for the time being.  you will allow us to do this.  otherwise we will create disasters/mass panics, killing several thousand people, every 6 to 18 months."  again the likelyhood of a violent overthrow of the government is nil, as the power structures (imaginary though they may be) are too entrenched.  at the same time, should the populace be largely opposed to security measures, the government position would be risked by proceeding with them perforce, and moreso by attempting any open suppression (the army will not support the government against the populace unless ambiguity can be maintained).  thus we are faced with the dillema as it stands and the answer will remain relevant for the foreseeable future.

we predict the average reader would comply with the first dillema and not with the second.  however:

consequences of compliance: identical in either case

consequences of noncompliance: identical in either case

again we do not judge as to the correctness of one version vs the other.
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« Reply #77 on: December 23, 2005, 08:35:28 am »
Sounds like Life of Pi.
It's pretty relevant to this topic.
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« Reply #78 on: December 23, 2005, 09:41:14 am »
Bit of a Catch-22, yes.

Regardless of why, we can see government getting more powerful and more invasive all the time.  With the system we have in place, it's hard for me to see how it could go the opposite direction, and congress isn't paid to sit there not making laws.

So it's going to change, and there's only one direction to go. :'(
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« Reply #80 on: December 26, 2005, 08:47:35 pm »
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« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2005, 06:26:09 am »
you read that strip too?
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« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2005, 07:06:20 am »
Where are the other book covers located? I saw another one that Pando posted, and they look funny.

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