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Da Vinci Code
« on: November 26, 2005, 11:14:33 am »
I'm reading it right now... it's similar to Brown's other famous work, Angels and Demons. Personally, the latter seems better, but I haven't finished this one yet, so I have to see.
If you have read both books, tell me which one you think is better. I'll post my opinion once I'm done.


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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 06:52:05 pm »
I just finished the book, and I have to say, Dan Brown has definitly done his research and made a thought provoking book that have relased at "the right time", just like the mission of the Priory Brotherhood (have to read the book to understand what I just said)

The book is not long, but on the contrary, a must read in my opinion. It could help you to define your purpose in life, since in this day and age, many people are losing faith in their religion and not being able to find the purpose of life.

In the Da Vinci Code, Brown makes a reference to history, that it is written only from the winners Point of View, that things are being biased unknowingly. It mentions how back when the Bible was first put up by Constantine the Great, that he killed heretics. The word "heretic", which eventually translates to the people who chose, in latin, were the ones who honored other gosples of the bible that were purposely destroyed by Constantine to impose this patriac dominace by popularizing a male-over-female religion. Thus, the winners won, and a society like today eventually evolved. I think Angels and Demons compliments this book, in terms of describing how people are turning to science, because there are no "winners" or "losers" because the truth is the truth. But on the contrary, the "truth" of science doesn't answer questions like why are we here and what is our purpose.

These are just some provoking thoughts of a 15-year-old, which I find could be applied to people who are mature enough to understand what I'm saying.
I still belive in God, but I do not think Jesus is divine, or that strict rules should be followed accoriding to the Bible, or that God had made a prophet. I believe that something or someone out there made this wonderful would possible, and that we should all enjoy it while we can. And I thank God for that cause right now, it's the only explaination I can give.
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 12:37:09 am »
Lots of great ideas and filled to the brim with controversy, but the writing sucked.

Giant murderer albino monk? Typical attractive female heroine that has a secret past?

Some of this stuff is absolutely absurd.

Common. Giant Murderer Albino Monk.

Life of Pi is a way better book.

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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 03:11:07 am »
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But on the contrary, the "truth" of science doesn't answer questions like why are we here and what is our purpose.

not wanting to turn this into another religion thread but were here by random chance and our purpose in life is to selfishly pass on as much of our DNA to the next generation while ensuring the survival of the race as a whole.

Regarding the book, I havent read it just because it so hyped. It seems like everyone has to have read it. Maybe when everyone forgets what it was about I'll pick it up.
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2005, 06:15:36 am »
You know, I have this book with every intention of reading it but it sits on the shelf because I haven't been in reading mood in a very long time. :P However, I watched some specials on TV about it.
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2005, 10:47:23 am »
Life of Pi is a way better book.

I've actually read life of Pi, it just didn't keep me interested long enought for some reason...
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 09:54:46 am »
The Da Vinci Code was truly an exciting book. The "Each-Chapter-Another-Cliffhanger"-style workd pretty well but as Pir0 already stated.... the writing really sucks! The characters are really too 2D to be taken seriously and the story has some implausible twists and turns.

It was an enjoyable read though! The reason it was enjoyable is because the story is extremely thrilling and fast-paced. That's probably all that was good about the book but because it's so well done it really works...

Curious about the film though...
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2006, 01:03:27 pm »
not wanting to turn this into another religion thread but were here by random chance and our purpose in life is to selfishly pass on as much of our DNA to the next generation while ensuring the survival of the race as a whole.

also not wanting to start a debate, but what if you had a wife. (assuming you don't for some reason) Would it then be OK for some other man to selfishly spread his DNA through your wife in order to keep the race surviving? Science doe not explain morality.


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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2006, 01:38:14 pm »
You misunderstand. The purpose of life is for ME to pass MY genes to as many people as possible. From that viewpoint I f I commited adultery then I would be fine with that, but anyone sleeping with my hypothetical wife is out. (hence selfish gene)
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2006, 01:51:52 pm »
so the purpose of life is all about you...


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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2006, 02:31:16 pm »
thou shalt not covet krakow sam's wife..

seems accurate, there are always flukes though


come to think of it, that whole dynamic may be one ongoing dysfunction.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2006, 02:36:55 pm »
come to think of it, that whole dynamic may be one ongoing dysfunction.

especially if Krakow Sam's genes are allowed to spread, now that's dysfunction.  <--note sarcasm


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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2006, 02:45:37 pm »
You clearly missed the point that from your perspective the purpose of life is to pass on your own genes and i'm the one who shouldnt be allowed to. Thats how life works.
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2006, 10:38:38 pm »
hmmm... sounds disappointing if that's all there is...


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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2006, 11:51:37 pm »
there's evolution.. EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2006, 06:43:00 am »
Joy!! i get to spread genes just so in a few million years our descendants have a third arm. Go evolution!


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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2006, 10:43:05 pm »
The Da Vinci Code is insane, period.

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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2006, 06:17:55 am »
i had heard that the theories and information that was used was long since proved bunk, anyway. Or the sources that were used in research were discredited.


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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2006, 09:13:47 pm »
Discredited? It's a novel. And not a very good one.

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2006, 07:31:49 am »
yes discredited. He had to do some research, and the ideas he chose to write about weren't legit. However, this wont stop tons of people from believing it.


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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2006, 08:46:22 am »
If people believe what they read in a novel, they have larger issues to deal with.

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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2006, 08:52:22 am »
The problem is that the book states that everything is based on "facts" (whatever those are ;)). This is offcourse complete nonsense. The books really exciting though. As a novel... not very good... As a couple of hours of entertainment.... damn fine!
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2006, 09:06:13 am »
I just looked over the entire book and don't see anywhere that it proclaims it's "based on facts." About the closest thing to that is the statement that it was "meticulously researched" which I'm certain it was.

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2006, 09:54:07 am »
I am not at home right now so I can't check which page it is. I checked it this afternoon though and it's a page before the first chapter.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2006, 10:32:46 am »
I have my still very new, unread copy of the book right in front of me. I believe it's classified as fiction... "All of the characters and events in this book are fictitious and any resemblance to actual persons living or dead, is purely coincidental."

However, it does say before the first chapter: All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in the novel are accurate.

I take that to mean that he used accurate art and documents to make up a good novel. I guess I really should read this book soon.  :-\

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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2006, 11:40:21 am »
However, it does say before the first chapter: All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in the novel are accurate.

Which can be very misleading.  Also if someone has "meticulously researched" a topic, to those people who haven't Meticulously researched said topic, they are going to take his word for it nine times out of ten.


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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2006, 12:24:55 pm »
Every novelist researches their topic. Just because Chuck Palahniuk meticulously researched 12-step programs and how to make soap, that doesn't make me think Fight Club is supposed to be a true story.

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2006, 12:35:47 pm »
then you are certainly above the rest...

Because he researched, it is strange to see the "facts" that he chose to write about.


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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2006, 07:15:00 pm »
well if he writes about england, and turns out to be completely bogus (as some english people have said) and then writes about mary magdelene...
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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2006, 07:17:15 am »
While in Japan, it was hard to find English language books but there were Dan Brown novels everywhere so I ended up picking up DaVinci Code based on hearing so much about it. I completed the book despite the fact that I feel Dan Brown isn't a good enough writer to produce his premise to its fullest potential. Because the premise of the book is really good; the premises behind many of his books tend to be good. But that doesn't save the fact that he is terrible with characters and dialogue. There are moments of cleverness scattered throughout the book that keep you with it, but so much of what he's actually written takes you out of the story entirely because, quite frankly, it reads like a high school play.

My best friend and I came up with a solution to this problem: Dan Brown needs a co-writer. We don't care who. So long as they can turn a phrase, build in character moments that help define the characters to such an extent that you remember them and not just the situation they're in. Someone to take his plots, which are ordinarily quite good, and turn them into something really special. Because he comes up with stories that I would like to read if he didn't handle them so poorly. Here's hoping the film's screenwriter can interject a bit more humanity into the story's key figures.

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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2006, 09:43:37 am »
I think the important thing to walk away with this book has nothing to do with Jesus at all. More that things aren't always what they seem to be. a Pentacle can be a ancient pagan symbol, not a sign of satan. A swastika can be a holy symbol that was merely perverted by the Nazi's. The cross does not mean someone is christian. I could go on forever. The point is so many of us have it engrained in our head that certain things mean this. If this book at least opened they eyes for some people to view all kinds of symbols with a more open mind then I think all the better.
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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2006, 05:57:32 pm »
It's a good book, nice idea too.

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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2006, 07:41:22 am »
it may be a good book, but the movie was lackluster.


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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2006, 07:28:46 pm »
never read the book, never seen the movie, and probably never will, not into any religious things like this.
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2006, 08:19:47 pm »
it's honestly not as religious as i thought it would be. Though i can see why the Catholic Church is not pleased, but then again, anytime they are in the media, they usually are not pictured as wholly "holy".


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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2006, 10:45:25 pm »
it's honestly not as religious as i thought it would be. Though i can see why the Catholic Church is not pleased, but then again, anytime they are in the media, they usually are not pictured as wholly "holy".

Nor are they usually pictured as pleased. ;)

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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2006, 03:37:02 pm »
I'm reading it right now

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I'm at the part where they're flying to London with Silas tied in the back of the plane.

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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2006, 05:35:52 pm »
i hope i'm not spoiling it but the answer to the cryptex is too F-ing easy
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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2006, 08:14:21 am »
yeah i kinda groaned when they said what it was.


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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2006, 08:26:04 am »
i hope i'm not spoiling it but the answer to the cryptex is too F-ing easy

I don't think you're spoiling anything by saying that. It's like saying that the lava boss in Super Mario Galaxy is too easy. Okay. At least you didn't tell us why; that might be spoilerish.

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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2006, 04:15:44 pm »
I don't think you're spoiling anything by saying that. It's like saying that the lava boss in Super Mario Galaxy is too easy. Okay. At least you didn't tell us why; that might be spoilerish.


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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2006, 04:32:32 pm »
Yeah, it was way too easy. They're busting their asses trying to figure it out through elaborate measures, when the answer should have been fairly obvious since they got it.

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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2006, 05:05:12 am »
I'd also like a to point out that ONE OF THEM IS A @#!!()& CRYPTOGRAPHER and they STILL can't figure out basic riddles that any five-year-old would decipher with ease.

There's also the fact that the shocking twist towards the end makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the so-called "FACTS" at the start of the book aren't, the characters are utterly 2-dimensional and Brown's writing style is completely uninspired. I'm of the opinion that the crappiness of the books is actually the "greatest coverup in human history" referred to in the movie trailers.

The only good thing about the book is that it showed the world what a great marketing machine Catholic outrage can be, because if they hadn't been so offended by it, you can be damn sure it wouldn't have had the publicity necessary to make a bestselller out of a truly dire book.

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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2006, 01:08:27 pm »
I'd also like a to point out that ONE OF THEM IS A @#!!()& CRYPTOGRAPHER and they STILL can't figure out basic riddles that any five-year-old would decipher with ease.

There's also the fact that the shocking twist towards the end makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the so-called "FACTS" at the start of the book aren't, the characters are utterly 2-dimensional and Brown's writing style is completely uninspired. I'm of the opinion that the crappiness of the books is actually the "greatest coverup in human history" referred to in the movie trailers.

The only good thing about the book is that it showed the world what a great marketing machine Catholic outrage can be, because if they hadn't been so offended by it, you can be damn sure it wouldn't have had the publicity necessary to make a bestselller out of a truly dire book.

QFT! Dan Brown's Digital Fortress came out in Sweden recently and recieved horrible criticism. The same critics loved Da Vinci though. Can't work that out... the books are almost identical!

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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2006, 01:09:20 pm »
Hint: the reviewers for the Da Vinci Code were brown-nosing. They thought both books were terrible.

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« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2006, 06:39:27 am »
I have read alot about the book but havent taken the time to read it or see the movie, for that matter. I am sure its an interesting STORY, piece of Fiction , and all i am looking for, when i eventually see the movie is to be entertained by it.
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« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2006, 07:34:43 am »
I have read alot about the book but havent taken the time to read it or see the movie, for that matter. I am sure its an interesting STORY, piece of Fiction , and all i am looking for, when i eventually see the movie is to be entertained by it.

The book is actually really interesting. It's got a lot of facts that tie into real-world things, even though the story itself is fiction.

I would recommend it if you're in to history or theology at all, this was a very interesting read. In 5 years, I'm not going to remember the story at all, but I'll still remember the facts that I learned from it.

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« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2006, 01:15:17 pm »
You mean the "facts" like that the Golden Ratio is the same as the ratio of male bees to females in the average hive?

I didn't even remember Langdom mentioning PHI in reference to bee ratios. That's very false. What is true about the ratio is it's inherent aesthetic nature and that it has been used throughout history in artwork and architecture to reinforce appeal in the average viewer. Another criticism on that page is that it's a gross approximation: Well, yeah, because stating the full ratio would make for an incredibly dull book since (like Pi) it has no end. However, it is usually shortened to 1.618 for the sake of brevity.

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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2006, 01:45:17 pm »
Where is Jesus in that picture anyways?

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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2006, 01:53:27 pm »
Where is Jesus in that picture anyways?
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« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2006, 09:59:18 am »
You mean the little toddler?

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« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2006, 10:53:33 am »
You mean the little toddler?

Yes. Call me retarded, but who are the other ones?

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« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2006, 06:21:35 pm »
You mean the little toddler?

Yes. Call me retarded, but who are the other ones?

You're retarded.

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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2006, 12:45:53 am »
I'm going to add to this. I just finished reading Dan Brown's 2001 book Deception Point.  Unless  a number of others have read it I don't really think it's worth a whole topic itself.

I've made a theory about Dan Brown. Similar to The DA Vinci code. Deception Point starts with a disclaimer stating that "All technologies described in this book exist." Now while some do exist, there was a large number I was skeptical of, and searching could find nothing. The wikipedia article on the book breaks down all the technologies that don't exist.

So I pondered, why put this? Is it some attempt to add flavour to the book? Making it seem more real by blending fact and fiction? Is it a kind of test to see how many people he could actually sucker into believing it?  I don't know what his reasons are but Dan Brown for some reason or others puts these in the start of his book, I'm sure knowing that they are all out lies.  The best guess I can come up with is he is trying to gage how gullible people can be. There was no real reaction to Deception Point but I think he got the reaction he wanted with the DaVinci code.  Definitely an interesting way to spend your time.


The book itself was good, some parts where it just seemed like he was really pushing the limits of "realistic fiction".  I haven't decided if I like it better then the DaVinci code or not. If someone asked me if it's a good book though I'd recommend it. That's if they weren't boycotting Dan Brown books  ;)
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2006, 04:49:46 am »
You mean the little toddler?

Yes. Call me retarded, but who are the other ones?
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Re: Da Vinci Code
« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2006, 12:10:50 pm »
I read both the Da Vinci Code, and Angels and Demons, in that order. Now i'm not afraid of reading pulp. I own all the originial DOOM novels.  I like these better than the crud that Brown manages to produce. Back in the 80ies I read Holy Blood Holy Grail (when I still was into these things). The Da Vinci code adds some pretty poor characters and a chase to that book, and that's basically it.  I hated them so much I gave both away. Hmm.. that sounds weird... At least the lady liked them. Then, I got Deception Point as a birthday present.  ::)