Naucean - My New Creature

[Yuu]

Mathematicians can "see" nD figures using their minds, so I'm pretty sure even the flat-landers would figure that out eventually.

The only guy who I really doubt when it comes to figuring out depth through inference is the "Dot King" who lived in that 1D dimension of his.

Oh, and as for the quote...

I inferred that from one of hard predestination's critics, whose names eludes me right now, unfortunately.

How is my own quote in any way coming from you, though? Sorry, but I'm at a bit of a loss. 

[martyk]

Lush, you can't attempt to prove your own point using abstract arguments, and then say we're not allowed to counter it using other abstract arguments.

[Lush City]

There's no dephth perception without a living being capable of preceiving depth.

[martyk]

There is no living being there to observe the line either.

God, it's like talking to a wall.  A hypocritical wall.

[Lush City]

Okay here. Depth perception is an illusion. When you see an object printed on paper that is a 2D object that your eyes make look like 3D. So even if the image in question would apear to be an angle ring to a person, geometrically its still two elipsis(or a line segment). Do you get what I'm saying now?

[TimeMaster]

You are talking about width perception, not depth perception, Lush City. They would see width similar to the way we see depth.

[martyk]

Are you talking about looking at the circle from above, the way it would normally be seen?  Because that's what I'm kinda deriving from what you're saying, which is incorrect.  First of all, a circle is not just comprised of two elipses, and elipses aren't line segments in the first place.

The other possibility is that we're are on a theoretical 2d plane, looking at the circle from the side, in which case, keeping in mind that we are now looking at this from the point of view of some theoretical flatlander exsiting in the 2d plane, we should still be able to discern the curve of the circle and be able to differentiate it from a line.

Draw me a picture of what you're trying to say.

[Lush City]

Better yet, ill take a picture.

[Holomanga]

Well they may have depth perception, it depends on the number of eyes.

[Yuu]

Holo pretty much nailed it on the head.

[Jack Zetter]

Wow this thread sure got heavy with hypothetical thinking since I was here last!

Intresting thoughts everyone, but I don't think I will ever accept the idea of the "Infinite Loop". The laws of cause and effect still apply, even when Time-Travel is involved... its just more complicated. 

[Lush City]

If time is a dimension of space (as seen in Eisteinian Physics) than a "diagnol" circle could exist through it.

[Jack Zetter]

A diagonal requires at least two dimensions, time only has one. Anyway, that's besides the point. 

It is possible to create a loop effect by forcing events to occur again.

you can go back to the beginning of a planets lifetime and seed life there, then make the later inhabitants of the world return themselves to seed the same life themselves.

leaving out the fact that the same thing happening again is incredibly unlikely, to the point of being ridiculous...  then a 'unstable' loop effect could occur.

regardless how many times the loop repeats itself. The laws of causality still apply and the loop can never escape the fact that it had a starting point. A loop without a starting point cannot exist in a universe with only one temporal dimension... and we can't exist in a universe with more than one. 


Gaaah... my head hurt... If anyone finds temporal mechanics fascinating (Like I do) and likes to do fun thought experiments like this one. Then I strongly recommend trying the game; "Braid"! I STRONGLY RECOMMEND IT! It will blow your minds! 

[Lush City]

Time is the fourth dimension, what are you talking about?

[Kitkat]

Time is often considered the Fourth Dimension. You have to look at it like this. The first dimension is a line. That's it. It just has one dimension, and is indefinitely thin and short, you could say, because those dimensions don't exist that low. The Second Dimension is a step up. The same way that Dimension One takes Dimension Zero and stacks it to an indeterminately long length (Think that Dimension Zero is a slice of Dimension One) Dimension Two takes the infinitely long line of Dimension One and stacks or stretches it to a plane. It has length and width, but no height. Dimension Three, the one that we are perceiving the universe in right now, is a stacked up version of Dimension Two. In that same way, Time, Dimension Four, is composed of a line of three dimentional spaces. It helps to think of this as the Three Dimensional Universe as a point, and the Fourth Dimension as a line composed of these. Each one of the spaces is a bit different, and we supposedly move through the fourth dimensional line and experience it was Time. Time travel essentially brings up the Fifth dimension as a way that you could theoretically loop back time on itself and I AM REALLY BEING LONG WINDED ABOUT THIS!

JUST WATCH THIS VIDEO; THAT'S HOW I LEARNED IT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q_GQqUg6Ts