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« on: January 17, 2009, 08:02:04 pm »
is awesome.  Who watched last nights season premier?



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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 08:08:43 pm »
I did. It should be really interesting to see how they wrap things up in the remaining nine episodes. Also if Kara isn't a Cylon, then what the hell is she? Also, you realize that according to the show, all of us are Cylons???

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 12:06:49 pm »
Also I think I just realized a massive plot hole. Gaius tested Ellen way back in either Season 1 or 2. So how did he not know she was one of the final five? I mean, he was completely obsessed with knowing who they were, so I hardly believe he would just forget she's a Cylon.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 05:12:33 pm »
To sum things up, they have a hell of a lot to explain with the new plot revolutions. It's all pretty convoluted right now.

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 07:52:13 am »
I think Gaius was pretty out of his gourd and after Boomer was just faking the tests.  What bothers me is the numbering of the Cylons leaves the final five as numbers 7, 9, 10, 11, 12... but they are two thousand of years old.  They better also explain why the new Cylons even knew enough about the ancient Cylon survivors to number them.

I'm gonna go with they already had Cylons 1 through 6 when they found 7, made 8, and then found 9 through 12.  Remember, this isn't the same Cylon civilization as earth's, until a few decades ago they were still developing human Cylons.  Hell, for all we know the arrival of the five triggered development of human Cylons in the first place and those not from earth are just prototypes made in the process of building bodies for the five.

Which brings me to my theory on the huge time gap:  It just took this long for the resurrection signal to reach the colonies.  We've never once seen an FTL signal, to get a message out faster than light they always take it on a ship.  Earth didn't even have FTL when the nukes dropped, so whatever resurrection facilities were on earth just had to send the signal the long way.  For all we know everyone who ever lived and died on Earth was on that signal and the Cylons could only figure out those five.  It also explains the how the final five are nearly deified by the other human Cylons, the five are the whole reason for their existence.


Of course, this is all moot if there's a greater entity manipulating this all for some reason and is just doing whatever the hell it wants with Cylon numbering and downloading and all that.  I'll be a little disappointed if the ending boils down to "God did it."
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 04:31:43 pm »
Well now that the coup is over it will be interesting to see where they take the story. They have a hell of a lot to wrap up in a few episodes. It's going to be really sad to see the best show ever come to an end :-\

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2009, 07:25:39 am »
Well, that episode explained a lot.  So much that I'll have to watch it again before I catch everything.

But they finally cleared up something that was bothering me:  The whole resurrection hub thing.  If the Cylons were behind resurrection it would have been a huge weakness, but since the five did it and didn't share the secret it makes a lot more sense.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2009, 08:42:25 pm »
That explained a ton. Also John's speech about the supernova was amazing.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2009, 11:55:10 pm »
Of course, this is all moot if there's a greater entity manipulating this all for some reason and is just doing whatever the hell it wants with Cylon numbering and downloading and all that.  I'll be a little disappointed if the ending boils down to "God did it."

Not tying up loose ends and simply proclaiming "god did it" would be the ultimate cop out.  They keep touting that the truth will be revealed, so I have faith that all loose ends will be tied up.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 04:35:52 am »
I keep wondering where Baltar will end up in all of this.  Regardless of whether he is good or evil, he is comedy gold:

Baltar:  All we need is strength, and strength comes from within!
Imaginary Six:  And guns.
Baltar:  And guns!


And I can't tell if Helen is being a terrible person or genuinely did all of that by accident.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2009, 05:38:20 pm »
Baltar is by far my favorite character.  I love how, no matter what happens to him, he can just bounce back into power.  It's getting to the point where I don't even care what happens to everyone else, I just hope hes ok.  And I don't think Baltar is evil.  Flawed, sure, but he means well.  Felix on the other hand I've always thought of as evil after he lied during the trial. 

As for Helen, she didn't mean for the baby or for caprica to get hurt, but she did intend to hurt sol.  She was being a huge bitch and she knew it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2009, 08:24:25 pm »
Actually, her name is Ellen, not Hellen..

I was glad with what happened to Felix. I couldn't stand that little weasel.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2009, 08:22:19 pm »
So the final episode is up next. Seems like they got a pretty awesome set up for it. I fully expect an epic battle, epic speeches, characters dying, sad moments, and finally a "new beginning" sort of ending to leave it open for sequels.

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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2009, 08:40:20 pm »
I'll be a little disappointed if the ending boils down to "God did it."

It did and I am.

In other news, that was an awesome fight sequence there.

Did anyone else have sympathy for Cavil?  He was a crazy bastard intent on the destruction of the human race because of a poorly founded vendetta, but once you get past that he was right. His species needed resurrection to survive, and he was short changed of his potential.  Having him off himself hardly seems fair.

Well, at least there's a group of self improving machines out there who don't have the option of going back to their tribal roots.  In my opinion, their story is the one that ends happily.

And who knows, after 150,000 years they might have advanced enough to challenge this "god" fellow.  He has no right meddling if he's going to keep siding with the Luddites.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2009, 08:43:39 pm »
It was a huge cop out for them to just say "god did it".  They could have and should have come up with something better than that, I guess **** everyone that watches the show and doesn't believe in god.  The fact that they threw the ship into the sun also angered me.  We have thousands of years of accumulated knowledge in those ships, lets run it into the sun!  It's so idiotic it's almost amoral.  I'd also like to know how many died from them not building a city and attempting to support a hunter / gatherer society of 30,000 people.  Them zooming to modern day was also insulting of the audiences intelligence.  Did they not think we would get it?  Whatever. 

I still like the show, I just wish they didn't go for the huge cop out of god orchestrating the entire thing.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2009, 04:17:34 am »
I wish they would have had them become the mythical gods of old. For instance Saul would have made a great Odin since he has a missing eye.


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Re: Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2009, 06:36:56 am »
WARNING: SPOILERS

I thought it was a reasonable ending that I enjoyed. Though I agree with the posters above me on how some of it was executed. One of my personal criticisms of the finale was how quickly they changed from the first half to the second half, in the first hour or so we are treated to some of the most violent scenes in the entire series and then all of the sudden jump to "Earth" and several of the surviving characters sitting on a lush, grass covered hill observing the natives with some of the most peaceful music aired in the series since the time when Pegasus was introduced, while also appearing to forget about what just happened 12 hours prior. A little to abrupt for me.

The rest of it I thought was handled quite well (unnamed Supernatural entities aside). Plus, was that the original BSG theme playing when the fleet ran into the sun?

Also, What happened to the Basestar? I don't remember seeing it in the final fleet scene.

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2009, 09:05:20 am »
You color it beige, like so:

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The original Battlestar theme was fantastic.  It was the best way they could have done it.

As for the base star:  They gave it to the remaining Centurions, and they left for parts unknown with their freedom.  That's why I say the Cylons had the real happy ending, they have everything they ever wanted and a chance to rebuild their civilization and improve upon it.  They broke the cycle, humans just set themselves up for a late return to it.

Speaking of the Cylons, how did the fleet decide it was safe?  They blew up the gigantic space station that acted as their central base, but weren't there dozens of base stars still out there?  And several hundred skin jobs on the twelve colonies?  All of which now have a legitimate reason for wanting revenge?  The Galactica could have at least acted as a defensive craft in orbit.

Really though, the whole thing was amazing right up until Cavil shot himself.  I could even accept the new alliance breaking up, but this is a man obsessed with surpassing humanity and gaining immortality.  I can't see any reason that he wouldn't fight to the last.


Well, there's another two hour special later this year, which will apparently reveal the first few seasons from the Cylon's point of view and tell us what their plan actually was.  Maybe we'll get some closure there on the whole "god" thing.  After all, Angel Baltar's "you know he doesn't like that name" comment suggests an entity that he can be related at a human level.  And their banter at the end suggests that they weren't just god's radio and have independent will.  I will be a little upset if they never resolve that.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2009, 10:31:09 am »
The situation with Galactica and "Earth" wasn't really one that endangered the settlers. I don't think the Cylons know where "Earth" is, in fact I don't think they know where the original Earth is. If Galactica was put into orbit around the planet, it might actually attract the attention of Cylons since it would be a single technological entity in an otherwise low tech solar system.

The Cylons themselves (well at least the humanoid models) Might not last long enough to form some sort of "strike force". Remember that the Cylons have a extremely centralized society, the destruction of their main base/ settlement may have been devastating to the remaining baseships. Also remember that the single reason why Hera was so valuable to them is because she held the secret to Cylon procreation without the use of resurrection ships. With her gone, the now scattered Cylon forces have no means to go on. With the destruction of the Colony (Which I'm going to assume carried their main research centers) it would be rather hard to try to re-invent resurrection ships.     [/color
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Re: Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2009, 03:02:37 pm »
Personally, I thought the ending tied the entire series together very well. Of course there were still a few loose ends, but that's to be expected. Overall, a great end to a great series.

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2009, 11:39:59 pm »
I thought it was a poor cop out ending myself. They still never explained what Starbuck was though? A Ghost? An Angel? What? That totally sucked that she just vanished. I felt like washing my mouth out with soap to get the bad taste out of my mouth. It almost seemed like they had no clue how to end it and just came up with a quick ending. Also, I could have sworn that they showed the continents on the first earth they visited that looked like our Earth. I need to go back and watch it over I guess. How could 2 planets be exactly the same? If they were that is. Still need to check on that.
I will watch the special from the Cylon side, but I still feel cheated.

I did like how they worked in the visions with reality. How we thought all along that Baltar and 6 were kidnapping Hera, when it worked out that they were actually helping her. That was a nice touch. It was also great to see the 5 all together up high like in the vision. Very cool.
Did anyone else catch Producer Ronald D. Moore's cameo at the end? He was the one holding the magazine that Baltar and 6 looked at. I thought that was pretty cool.
I really think the series should have gone another year to work the story out more. This last season the story felt too rushed.
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2009, 09:07:02 am »
I remember the original Earth Being covered by Clouds when it showed up in the series, continents were hidden. There were a few times Earth 2.0 was shown as well, once in "Crossroads" and another in the penultimate episode.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2009, 04:55:21 pm »
I think it be awesome if sci-fi (err.... "Syfy" )decided to make a TV movie dedicated to the Centurions who went off in the baseship to make their own civilization. It would be a very different sort of sci fi to watch. What would a civilization made from the ground up by non-humanoid robots be like?

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2009, 08:33:09 am »
I'd like this show more if it wasn't so...Lifeless ???
I'm not talking about depth or characters, this show is great with those two.
But I simply can't believe that planets like New Caprica or other coloney's like any Fauna.
Where are the colonists getting food? There's got to be some indigounoues(?) animal/plantlife out there.
I haven't watch that much of the show, so correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2009, 11:44:59 am »
BSG never really gone into detail about the science behind the show. I don't think any organisms were shown except the various pets the colonials took along with them. The same thing with some of the technology, I don't think they ever explained how FTL or DRADIS worked, only what they could do.
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