Topic: The game just got worse

[DarkDragon]

DarkDragon, I looked into this to make sure you aren't hitting a bug in SporeMaster 2, and It Works For Me.  Unpacking the 11/10/2008 Spore_Game.package, searching for "symmetry", modifying editor_setup~/creatureeditorsetup.prop.xml to <bool name="editorUseSymmetry">false</bool> and packing yields an apparently functional creature asymmetry mod, and nothing disappears.  Nor do I see any change in this file between the august and november game packages.  Is it possible something else in your mod (or some other mod you have installed) is the problem?  Can you post a package exhibiting the problem somewhere? (I suggest the Mod Discussion forum at sporemods.org, which allows attachments)

I tested it with no other mods, I compared the files and you're right, there are no extra lines.

I'm using SporeMaster 1.0 beta though, didn't know 2.0 was out already. Gonna download it and then try it again.

EDIT: Tried it again, same problem. I think it's because of the Cute&Creepy pack.

[Lucky]

I did a little checking around, and it sounds like this was unintentional.  Sorry for any inconvenience it is causing for you guys.

-caryl

[DarkDragon]

I did a little checking around, and it sounds like this was unintentional.  Sorry for any inconvenience it is causing for you guys.

-caryl

Thanks for the heads up 
Maybe, just maybe (I hope) you guys could fix it on the next patch and (again I hope) add a button in-game for it. At least for the creature editor. 

[vonboy]

ya, a button to turn symmetry on and off in-game would be a great idea for a patch *hint* *hint* 

[Hydromancerx]

Glad to see you got an answer DarkDragon.

[Slife]

I don't think this is universal.

I have patched to v1.3, and I am still able to use an asymetry mod with some success. I don't have C&C yet, though, which might be why.

You're using the one for the old version, the files of the new version (1.3) have new settings (probably because of the new limbs and stuff) and as soon as I change the "true" to "false" on the asymmetry parameter it no longer shows the creature body in-game.

You can always go back to editing creatures the old school way - in hex!

    <blockref>
      <blockid>0x40626000, 0xf8de5c52</blockid>
      <transform>
        <basemusclescale>0.892807</basemusclescale>
        <scale>1</scale>
        <position>-0.520817,-0.0804159,1.523056</position>
        <triangledirection>0.898876,0.436141,-0.0424569</triangledirection>
        <trianglepickorigin>0,0,0</trianglepickorigin>
        <orientation>
          <row0>0.273941,-0.961685,0.0108020</row0>
          <row1>0.961046,0.273297,-0.0412070</row1>
          <row2>0.0366760,0.0216697,0.999092</row2>
        </orientation>
        <userorientation>
          <userorientation_row0>0.852868,0.150383,-0.5</userorientation_row0>
          <userorientation_row1>-0.173647,0.984807,0</userorientation_row1>
          <userorientation_row2>0.492403,0.0868239,0.866025</userorientation_row2>
        </userorientation>
      </transform>
      <snapped>true</snapped>
      <symmetric>9</symmetric>

Just change what's inside the symmetric tags and you're moderately good to go.


Oh, and Lucky, was it intentional that the game stores creature data as raw xml in pollination.package, or is it a mistake?

[Blulightning]

It's entirely possible that they didn't do it on purpose. Both of you (Bluelightning and DarkDragon) know programming, right? Then I'm sure you realize that sometimes a new bit of code will affect an old bit of code or disable something that you didn't realize changed, like assymmetry.

I don't know much about coding, but that just makes sense to me.

Given how complex the coding must be for Spore, it's possible.

If it IS intentional however, they'd better have a valid reason for it.

Yeah, what you said is 100% correct. Changing bits of code very often has unknown impacts on other code.
Programmers have to extensively test all changes made to a system before letting something go live.

What I said was mostly out of anger and frustration towards Maxis/EA. Which I still think is entirely warranted.

Anyone else notice no patches have been released since the C&C pack to fix the remaining problems?
I seriously think that now all they care about is new customers and fresh cash.

I'm hoping that it just means a BIG patch is coming, and not just another rip-off expansion scam....

[smjjames]

The C&C hasn't caused any major problems that I'm aware of. The only major problem is the holoscout issue, which is more like highly annoying than game-breaking and is not something essential to the workings of the game, although the bug is affecting the workings of the game, it's reverseable.

After doing that small patch thing, it's going to have to be a huge patch. They could be working on making sure the patch doesn't cause any further issues and investigating the C&C issues.

I would REALLY like an answer on the holoscout thing, I've PMed Lucky at least twice (not in one week) and I have PMed Maxispuzzle. Mainly so that I know they are aware of the problem and working on it.