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Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« on: September 19, 2008, 05:23:37 am »
I've kept a clean posting record ever since I joined the GS forums, so allow me this one, okay?
Let it sink if you must, but... im'a venting my E-RAGE.

Anybody remember Luminar? Ex-poster here?
Yeah, well i'm still in touch with him, got him on my friends list in Spore.
Turns out he just recieved a 7-day ban from Spore. No uploads, no downloads, no logging in, no forum access.
What did he do? He made a comment in relation to a gooey monster : "God damn that looks unpleasant. Downloaded!"

Yeah. A non-vulgar, non-explitive, common public-use phrase got him a 7 day ban. It wasnt even "god damn", it was just "damn". Which, now I checked, is even wordfiltered in the official spore forums. He got punished, for a common non-offensive phrase, and used in the positive. When not so long ago, on those very forums, the word "retard" or "retarded" wordfiltered to "downs-syndrome". Isnt that a little more beyond the boundary of taste and offense? Yeah. Thats what I thought. Seven days isnt exactly a crippling length, but being treated like you're one of those disruptive, nasty little comment trolls? Disabling some of the key features of the game? Preventing him from logging in, so stuff he makes doesnt even get stamped with his username?

Not cool.
It reminds me of City of Heroes, who also decided to wordfilter the word "fist", and the word "facial", simply because of the fringe pornographic terms. A passing aqquaintance I made in City of Heroes, a martial-artist by the name of Flaming Fist, would appear to those who kept the default wordfilter on, as "Flaming ****". Many chuckles were had.

Still, the word "damn" has long since been a passive non-negative, non-explitive, non-vulgar, common use word. Often used as a simple enhancer. I could understand a little more if it was because of "god damn", but it was for the word "damn" on its own. Even then, the phrase "god damn" is not a singular religious statement or inherantly offensive, as that too has long been common use, and even then, the better part of those who would find it offensive are more likely to be only the christian folks.

So... I dont think I really had a point, here. I wont lock the topic to let it sink, because posting a thread and locking it would be even worse. Thoughts? Similar experiences?
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 05:36:48 am by Uroboros »



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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 05:32:39 am »
Wow... That's kind of a shock to me. didn't have such experiences but I will sure be on the lookout when I post comments in the future...

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 05:34:52 am »
Man, that sucks. Lets all go to Luminar's profile and give him a few thumbs up for when he returns, shall we?

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 05:42:01 am »
In related news, Spore Creatures DS seems to have stranger censorship troubles. Looking into the subforum, I read about someone else who had their username "Grumps" censored to "G***ps". Either its censoring "rum" or its blocking all but the P in "rump". Whats worse, is they changed a creature from "Oogie" to "Woogie", and it got censored to "Wo**i*". I cant even BEGIN to fathom that one out. :/

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2008, 05:42:20 am »
God Damn! That really does suck.
I'll have to be careful of what I write in comments now.

I have Spore Creatures on DS.
I just tried renaming my Oogie into Woogie and it worked okay if I deleted the whole name and then wrote Woogie.
However, if I tried to edit Oogie into Woogie, I deleted the O, leaving me with ogie, and then when I added the W, making Wogie it censored Wog, giving me ***ie, then I typed the o to get Woogie, but the censoring is permanent so I got *o**ie.

Looks like as soon as it sees an objectionable word it replaces the letters of that word with the * character. It doesn't just cover them up, but actually replaces them and doesn't undo the replacement when you type more letters in between.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 05:52:52 am by spiritofcat »

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 06:02:32 am »
Wog?
*facepalm*
So if I tried to recreate my Woggle, it would be a ***gle.
Come on, all this is doing is teaching the young audiences they're trying to protect, about new slurs and such. xP

Edit, update :
After having sent an email for support on the issue, he was told that he was banned for the 7 days because of this section of the rules :
“Strong vulgar language, racial slur, crude or explicit sexual references … are always inappropriate Content for EA Online.” Please review section 2 “ONLINE CONTENT” for complete details.

The word "damn" is not vulgar, isnt a racial slur, isnt crude, no form of sexual reference, and is often used in common, public conversations. Did the reply email just essentially admit that he did nothing wrong? I think it did. Yet he's still banned.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 06:15:42 am by Uroboros »

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 06:19:35 am »
"Damnation" (or, more commonly, "damn", or "goddamn") is widely used as a moderate profanity, which originated as such from the concept of punishment by God[citation needed]. Until around the mid-20th century, damn was a more offensive term than it is today, and was frequently represented as "D--n," "D---," or abbreviated to just "D."
So according to Wikipedia, it is a profanity, but a moderate one.

It gets censored in Spore Creatures.
Maybe just to be safe, whenever we're going to post a comment in Spore we should first type it into Spore Creatures and make sure none of the words get censored...

Here are some other words you can't type in Spore Creatures because part of the word gets turned into stars:
homogeneous, farther, japan, snigger.

Also, apparently the word "owner" is not allowed either. Although owned, pwned and pwner are all okay.

You can't type porn, but you can type pron.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 06:32:56 am by spiritofcat »

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 06:38:15 am »
I hate to say it, because i've never liked it... but... wikipedia isnt always exactly accurate.
Damn, for instance, isnt wordfiltered here. Nobody is ever cautioned, warned, or banned for its use. It is frequently used in public in many places, without any attached ill-meaning. A singular exclamation, or an enhancer. It isnt vulgar or crude, it isnt a sexual or racial remark, and the grand majority take no offense from hearing it. Those who consider it profanity tend to be in a small margin of people, and that margin seems to be located exclusively in america, in modern day. Typically the strongly religious sort, but the word has evolved into a far more passive use these days.

For what supposed reason he was given for why he was banned, he hasnt done anything wrong.
And if they were going to start considering common-use non-explitives as bannable offenses, they could at least give us a little heads up, y'know?

A thread I made in the EA feedback subforum got a reply from another user. They used "wh---", as in, you know, a 'harlot' I guess. They only got a warning, no banning. Funny that.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 06:42:58 am by Uroboros »

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 06:42:59 am »
"Damnation" (or, more commonly, "damn", or "goddamn") is widely used as a moderate profanity, which originated as such from the concept of punishment by God[citation needed]. Until around the mid-20th century, damn was a more offensive term than it is today, and was frequently represented as "D--n," "D---," or abbreviated to just "D."
So according to Wikipedia, it is a profanity, but a moderate one.

It gets censored in Spore Creatures.
Maybe just to be safe, whenever we're going to post a comment in Spore we should first type it into Spore Creatures and make sure none of the words get censored...

Here are some other words you can't type in Spore Creatures because part of the word gets turned into stars:
homogeneous, farther, japan, snigger.

Also, apparently the word "owner" is not allowed either. Although owned, pwned and pwner are all okay.

You can't type porn, but you can type pron.

Damn is only consered a mild explitive if anything in the US, everywhere else its just a word.

When I still went to church long long ago, 12 or 13, I used damn in a sentence, and these American kids (our church always seemed to import a token american family, Mormons ey?) were all like ":O".


Silly muppets.




In short, lol at EA and Spore's crud.

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2008, 06:52:21 am »
The sad fact is that the small minority of people who do care about it are also the loadest and most persistent when it comes to compaining about these sorts of things, and thereby end up getting what they want.
The internet can just about be considered another state of america since such a large percentage of the user-base are american and so many american laws and regulations are applied in most areas of it.

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2008, 06:56:02 am »
Actually i'm thinking more along the lines that the person who filed the ban against him was just being heavy-handed (see also : an incompetent jackoff). It seems inconsistant that one person gets only a warning for "wh---", and another gets a week-long ban for "damn". It might just come down to the individual staff member who did it.

Yet getting the ban lifted will be another matter entirely.
Likely impossible.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2008, 07:04:59 am by Uroboros »

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2008, 07:00:53 am »
The sad fact is that the small minority of people who do care about it are also the loadest and most persistent when it comes to compaining about these sorts of things, and thereby end up getting what they want.
The internet can just about be considered another state of america since such a large percentage of the user-base are american and so many american laws and regulations are applied in most areas of it.

The internet can not be owned by anyone. It, in many ways, falls under international territory. The backbone servers lay mainly in the US, but the internet does not fall under any US laws. US Laws concerning the internet always concern a user, server or company, if they're based in America. That's what makes it so hard to fight Spam and Hackers... since a good portion of those act outside the US and thus are relatively immune to US laws. This means that inevitably, such things as "Freedom of Speech" are complete illusions. You're speech is as free as site admins/forum admins allow it to be. They are treated as a company and your sign an agreement when you join to follow it's rules. This means you often waiver your right to free speech. That's another issue though. It just makes me agitated when people insist that the internet allows for Free Speech. Technically it doesn't. Anonymous doesn't mean free (and you're not really anonymous anymore either).
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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2008, 07:14:18 am »
The sad fact is that the small minority of people who do care about it are also the loadest and most persistent when it comes to compaining about these sorts of things, and thereby end up getting what they want.
The internet can just about be considered another state of america since such a large percentage of the user-base are american and so many american laws and regulations are applied in most areas of it.

The internet can not be owned by anyone. It, in many ways, falls under international territory. The backbone servers lay mainly in the US, but the internet does not fall under any US laws. US Laws concerning the internet always concern a user, server or company, if they're based in America. That's what makes it so hard to fight Spam and Hackers... since a good portion of those act outside the US and thus are relatively immune to US laws. This means that inevitably, such things as "Freedom of Speech" are complete illusions. You're speech is as free as site admins/forum admins allow it to be. They are treated as a company and your sign an agreement when you join to follow it's rules. This means you often waiver your right to free speech. That's another issue though. It just makes me agitated when people insist that the internet allows for Free Speech. Technically it doesn't. Anonymous doesn't mean free (and you're not really anonymous anymore either).
Yes, you're right. When I said that american laws and regulations are applied I meant the ones that restrict what you can do, not the ones that are meant to protect your rights and so on.

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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2008, 07:16:41 am »
Could someone tell me what the hell a Wog is?
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Re: Urge to be unconstructive, rising...
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2008, 07:27:39 am »
It is an offensive racist term. I believe it was used as a reference to a blacked up doll, a 'Golliwog'. Here in the UK it is still a very offensive term, up there with the 'n' word. I don't know how offensive it is anywhere else.

I apologize in advance if my answer causes offence to anybody, but it is best to answer these questions so that mistakes won't be made.
As usual this is just my opinion which has about as much factual content as the average episode of Red Dwarf.