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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2008, 04:44:34 pm »
It's doubtful.
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2008, 04:46:06 pm »
My calculations assume you take 20 minutes to explore each of them and do something there, of course when you get to a new solar system you find like 5 planets but you still have to check them out.

It's pretty foolish to assume something about a game we've never even played. For all you know it could take 5 minutes to check out a planet.

I'm just gonna let this pass since the last time you said I shouldn't assume anything about anything else it went the wrong way. People make assumptions, it's human nature so live with it, I'm not saying it will be like that but I'm pretty sure most people wont spend their time just flying around looking at planets. Also, to contradict my assumptions you have to assume something yourself.

It seems that you got my post wrong, I wasn't saying it will take 20 minutes to check out every planet, I'm saying that for it to take 70 years to check out 2 million planets, each planet would require you to spend 20 minutes on it (that if you took no time at all to find the next planet). We all know most people will either look at a planet in less than 1 minute and decide if they stick with it or move on, now I'd appreciate you stop nit picking all of my posts.

I guess I wouldn't nitpick as much if you knew basic arithmetic before assuming whatever you assume.

2 million planets over 70 years leaves 28571 planets to explore per year, that makes 78 planets a day, 3 planets an hour which makes it 1 planet every 20 minutes.

1 planet per 20 minutes.
1 hour = 60 minutes.
60/20 = 3. That's 3 planets an hour.
3 * 24 = 72. That's 72 planets in one day.
72 * 7 = 504. 504 planets in a week.
504 * 4 = 2016. 2016 planets a month.
2016 * 12 = 24 192. 24 192 planets per year.
This would result in 82.6 years in order to visit 2 million planets.
By your calculations it would take ~17 minutes per planet in order for it to take 70 years.

This is all assuming(Which is a ridiculous thing to do) there even is 2 million planets.

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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2008, 04:53:07 pm »
Just saying, noone will ever see all planets!

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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2008, 04:55:51 pm »
you forgot something, or dont you need sleep n food n all that stuff?

No, the Will Wright quote was "If you played for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week." Or something like that.
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #64 on: May 31, 2008, 05:41:26 pm »
My calculations assume you take 20 minutes to explore each of them and do something there, of course when you get to a new solar system you find like 5 planets but you still have to check them out.

It's pretty foolish to assume something about a game we've never even played. For all you know it could take 5 minutes to check out a planet.

I'm just gonna let this pass since the last time you said I shouldn't assume anything about anything else it went the wrong way. People make assumptions, it's human nature so live with it, I'm not saying it will be like that but I'm pretty sure most people wont spend their time just flying around looking at planets. Also, to contradict my assumptions you have to assume something yourself.

It seems that you got my post wrong, I wasn't saying it will take 20 minutes to check out every planet, I'm saying that for it to take 70 years to check out 2 million planets, each planet would require you to spend 20 minutes on it (that if you took no time at all to find the next planet). We all know most people will either look at a planet in less than 1 minute and decide if they stick with it or move on, now I'd appreciate you stop nit picking all of my posts.

I guess I wouldn't nitpick as much if you knew basic arithmetic before assuming whatever you assume.

2 million planets over 70 years leaves 28571 planets to explore per year, that makes 78 planets a day, 3 planets an hour which makes it 1 planet every 20 minutes.

1 planet per 20 minutes.
1 hour = 60 minutes.
60/20 = 3. That's 3 planets an hour.
3 * 24 = 72. That's 72 planets in one day.
72 * 7 = 504. 504 planets in a week.
504 * 4 = 2016. 2016 planets a month.
2016 * 12 = 24 192. 24 192 planets per year.
This would result in 82.6 years in order to visit 2 million planets.
By your calculations it would take ~17 minutes per planet in order for it to take 70 years.

This is all assuming(Which is a ridiculous thing to do) there even is 2 million planets.

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot to mention I rounded the numbers since there is no such thing as 1.0871928680147858230050010871929 planets and so on ;) [/sarcasm]

2,000,000/70 = 28571.428571428571428571428571429 -> round(28571.428571428571428571428571429) = 28571 as a whole number.
28571/365 = 78.276712328767123287671232876712 -> round(78.276712328767123287671232876712) = 78
78/24 = 3.25 -> round(3.25) = 3
that makes 3 planets an hour therefore 1 each 20 minutes.

But if you want me to make perfect calculations of non-existent planets here it goes:
1.0871928680147858230050010871929 planets each 20 minutes

And I'm not assuming there are 2 million planets, that's the last figure we got from a trustworthy source so get your facts right.
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #65 on: May 31, 2008, 06:06:13 pm »
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #66 on: May 31, 2008, 06:20:23 pm »
Regardless of all the planets... I wonder if everyone will have the same galaxy, and if there are valid coordinates.

For instance, one way they could have done things is that the starting planet, the player homeworld, is always located in the same place, even if the world itself is unique. Then as content is pollinated from a central server, the galaxy fills up on a first come-first served basis, according to some rule set. If they did Spore this way, and provided universal coordinates, then it would be possible for a player to tell other players that the 'super cool planet filled with awesomness' is at galactic coordinates 'X by Y by Z' and anyone would be able to seek it out and visit it.

This, would be pretty cool. But it might be hard to do.

However, I personally think it is far more likely that each player will be playing in their own, unique galaxy, with pollinated content tossed in ad-hoc, as they travel. If this is the case, only a handful of Maxis 'set-piece' worlds would be capable of being charted, with all other worlds being effectively random, unique to the given player. You might find a world of Awesome Awesomeness, but nobody else would ever be able to find it too, because it only exists uniquely to them. Everyone would have to find their own wonders.

We know that one set-piece exists for sure, the center of the galaxy. We have had a rumor that Earth's system, the Sol star system, exists in the game, hopefully it is not what is waiting at the center of the galaxy, that would be cheap (I think). I'd rather it was where it should be in the galaxy, but then... if it was, how would one find it, precisely, among 200,000 + stars? Possibly a quest, given through clues and guides and directions, would be one way.

I also, dearly hope, that they put something on the edge of the Galaxy. Some reason to go out that way. I guess we'll see.

I have a prediction for what will be done with earth, if it is truly in the game. I think it will not be earth in our time. My prediction is that it will be either a far past or far future earth, in either case an earth-without-Man, and if it is future earth without Man, I think that any robot race (if that rumor is true) will have been the human legacy. That is what I would do, anyway.

 
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2008, 05:35:50 am »
Oh, I'm sorry I forgot to mention I rounded the numbers since there is no such thing as 1.0871928680147858230050010871929 planets and so on ;) [/sarcasm]

2,000,000/70 = 28571.428571428571428571428571429 -> round(28571.428571428571428571428571429) = 28571 as a whole number.
28571/365 = 78.276712328767123287671232876712 -> round(78.276712328767123287671232876712) = 78
78/24 = 3.25 -> round(3.25) = 3
that makes 3 planets an hour therefore 1 each 20 minutes.

But if you want me to make perfect calculations of non-existent planets here it goes:
1.0871928680147858230050010871929 planets each 20 minutes

And I'm not assuming there are 2 million planets, that's the last figure we got from a trustworthy source so get your facts right.

Your math is really flawed. I already showed you that you were wrong by 12.6 years(The wonders of rounding numbers). You shouldn't try to divide on the amount of days in a year, not that you managed to do that right(It's not 365 days in a year, it's more like 365.242 etc..).

If you want I can show you that in order to visit 2 million planets in 70 years you would need to spend 16.9344 minutes on each planet. I decided to not include it in this post because I'm pretty sure most people are tired of this argument and probably don't want to watch more math.

Also, I didn't know that it was confirmed to be over 2 million planets. That's neat.

Regardless of all the planets... I wonder if everyone will have the same galaxy, and if there are valid coordinates.

For instance, one way they could have done things is that the starting planet, the player homeworld, is always located in the same place, even if the world itself is unique. Then as content is pollinated from a central server, the galaxy fills up on a first come-first served basis, according to some rule set. If they did Spore this way, and provided universal coordinates, then it would be possible for a player to tell other players that the 'super cool planet filled with awesomness' is at galactic coordinates 'X by Y by Z' and anyone would be able to seek it out and visit it.

This, would be pretty cool. But it might be hard to do.

However, I personally think it is far more likely that each player will be playing in their own, unique galaxy, with pollinated content tossed in ad-hoc, as they travel. If this is the case, only a handful of Maxis 'set-piece' worlds would be capable of being charted, with all other worlds being effectively random, unique to the given player. You might find a world of Awesome Awesomeness, but nobody else would ever be able to find it too, because it only exists uniquely to them. Everyone would have to find their own wonders.

We know that one set-piece exists for sure, the center of the galaxy. We have had a rumor that Earth's system, the Sol star system, exists in the game, hopefully it is not what is waiting at the center of the galaxy, that would be cheap (I think). I'd rather it was where it should be in the galaxy, but then... if it was, how would one find it, precisely, among 200,000 + stars? Possibly a quest, given through clues and guides and directions, would be one way.

I also, dearly hope, that they put something on the edge of the Galaxy. Some reason to go out that way. I guess we'll see.

I have a prediction for what will be done with earth, if it is truly in the game. I think it will not be earth in our time. My prediction is that it will be either a far past or far future earth, in either case an earth-without-Man, and if it is future earth without Man, I think that any robot race (if that rumor is true) will have been the human legacy. That is what I would do, anyway.

That would actually be pretty cool. If everyone had their own universe. It would make exploring a lot more personal and exciting. Who knows what kind of combinations you'll find.

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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2008, 05:56:19 am »
If I remember correctly everyone will get there own unique universe.
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2008, 06:17:55 am »
if i remember correct, one of the devs said, quoted in my own words: "everyone will get their very own galaxy in a box, but there are some placed that wont change"

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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2008, 07:16:17 am »
To end this discussion here it goes:

Every 4 years you have 366 days instead of 365 (leap year)
70 / 4 = 17.5 leap years
70 - 17.5 = 52.5 common years
17.5 x 366 + 52.5 x 365 = 6405 + 19162,5 = 25567.5 days
2,000,000 / 25567.5 = 78.224308203774322870832111078518 planets each day
78.224308203774322870832111078518 / 24 = 3.2593461751572634529513379616049 planets each hour
3.2593461751572634529513379616049 / 3 = 1.086448725052421150983779320535 planets each 20 minutes
20 / 1.086448725052421150983779320535 = 18.408599999999999999999999999999 minutes for each planet (exactly 1 planet)

That's about as far off of 16.9344 as it is of 20.

20 - 18.408599999999999999999999999999 = 1.59140000000000000000000000001
18.408599999999999999999999999999 - 16.9344 = 1.47419999999999999999999999999

So, yeah... we were both wrong:
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2008, 10:45:32 am »
It doesn't matter who's right, one thing is certain, nobody will ever be able to visit every planet. ;)
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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2008, 12:57:09 pm »
Yes, everyone will have their own unique galaxy (except maybe for a few easter eggs and/or the center of the galaxy). There are probably going to be more player-created/player-populated planets on the online database than there are going to be planets in the game, so it makes sense to have each player in their own customized universe (it would defeat the purpose of much of what the developers have been talking about -for example, content sharing, and procedural generation- to have each player in the exact same game-world.)
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« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2008, 02:38:53 pm »
I think since that there's gonna be more planets than i can possible visit anyway there may as well be enough to fill up the whole galaxy and look good instead of only 3/4 full but still more than is possible to visit

and just because that was one of the dumbest arguments i've ever seen: (small because it's off topic)
To end this discussion here it goes:

Every 4 years you have 366 days instead of 365 (leap year)
70 / 4 = 17.5 leap years
70 - 17.5 = 52.5 common years
17.5 x 366 + 52.5 x 365 = 6405 + 19162,5 = 25567.5 days
2,000,000 / 25567.5 = 78.224308203774322870832111078518 planets each day
78.224308203774322870832111078518 / 24 = 3.2593461751572634529513379616049 planets each hour
3.2593461751572634529513379616049 / 3 = 1.086448725052421150983779320535 planets each 20 minutes
20 / 1.086448725052421150983779320535 = 18.408599999999999999999999999999 minutes for each planet (exactly 1 planet)

That's about as far off of 16.9344 as it is of 20.

20 - 18.408599999999999999999999999999 = 1.59140000000000000000000000001
18.408599999999999999999999999999 - 16.9344 = 1.47419999999999999999999999999

So, yeah... we were both wrong:
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according to here:
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast161/Unit4/movearth.html
it takes 365.2422 days for the earth to complete one orbit around the sun.

70 * 365.2422 = 25566.954 days in 70 years
2,000,000 / 25566.954 = 78.225978738022527048001103299204 planets each day
78.225978738022527048001103299204 / 24 = 3.2594157807509386270000459708 planets per hour
60 / 3.2594157807509386270000459708 = 18.408206880000000000000000000001 minutes per planet.

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Re: 500,000 Stars
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2008, 02:42:22 pm »
Ugh, it's over don't bring it back up again :P.

Again I say, does anyone think the Spore team will simulate all the main types of stars in the stellar classification graphs? You think they will give you an over view of the main elements consisting with in the star via Sporepedia? (Example methane stars for one)
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