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A customized religion
« on: May 26, 2008, 09:33:17 am »
I had to invent a religion for my Comparative Religions class at school, and so far I've come up with a concept called Transformationism. Is there anything you guys want to add/ change/ remove/ suggest?

1.   Transformationists believe that there are 8 worlds, each on an equal level, where one continues life after death.
2.   Each world is unique and has its own qualities, none is more heavenly or better than the other
3.   When a person dies, his soul is judged by a panel of 8 gods. They determine his worth and decide which world he goes to.
4.   Each person fits each world differently. What might be the best world, and the ultimate reward, for someone would be the worst hell for someone else.
5.   You are judged according to how you acted toward others, nothing else. If you helped more people than you hurt and you lived your life virtuously, you ascend a world. If you harm more than you help, you descend a world.
6.   The gods are all omniscient of their own worlds and can communicate back and forth, though they have decided not to use their power to alter the paths of the mortals so that they can have an accurate judgment.
7.   The universe and the worlds were never created, they have existed for all time.
8.   There are 8 festivals every year, one on each equinox, one every solstice, and midway between all these days. The God of Earth is celebrated on the longest day of the year in June with large parties and an overt awareness of kindness.
9.   The religion stresses that life is a continual cycle and that one world is not just a test for the next.
10.   Anybody who renounces any contradictory faith is allowed in the Church
11.   There is a wide degree of individual autonomy in this faith, with absolutely no formal authority, just their official doctrine to keep everything in place

For the church's symbol, I want to put an octagram inside a circle to represent the interconnecting worlds and gods, and to represent interpersonal obligation and connection. The circle is obviously for the never-ending circle of life.



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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2008, 09:36:22 am »
Hmm...

I have no real objection over this.
Interesting no less, and I didn't even know there was such a thing as a Comparative Religions class.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2008, 09:47:52 am »
               Comparative Religions class. Interesting, I haven't heard of that before. Seems like a nice place to discuss things. Too bad I don't have a subject like that. :(

               So basically, The Eight are like Universal Administrators? ???

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2008, 09:57:22 am »
You talk about ascending and descending, but you say none is more heavenly than another.  Contradiction?
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2008, 09:58:28 am »
So your religion doesn't actualy tell anyone what to do, it's just a cosmology? Individual Gods need to be fleshed out more. Why bother being good if you're only going to go somewhere that's the same as Earth anyway?

Paradox; if the universe extends back infinitely through time, time could never reach the present day, since there would be a point in the past where this is infinitely in the future. I think you need a creation myth.

So that's a few problems there.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2008, 10:02:39 am »
Your religion has a crippling paradox, that means it's legitimate! You've done good, you've done damn good...

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2008, 10:06:11 am »
I have a suggestion for a creation paradox (I mean myth, or story, or whatever!)

Sometime in the past, there were strings floating around and marbles floating around.  The strings tied themselves to one another, and formed the MEGAGOD.  The MEGAGOD then untied himself to make the eight gods.  The eight gods collected the marbles and built eight universes, each with one color of the marbles.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2008, 10:24:26 am »
holy sloths anyone? ;D
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2008, 10:25:58 am »
Hmm...

Sloths are actually the children of the gods.  The gods look like sloths themselves, humans are merely made from marbles.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2008, 10:38:58 am »
You need something really stupid to center things around... like a cup or a box or something.

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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 10:40:17 am »
I suggested strings and marbles.  If you need something stupider, than there was a divine cat that only spoke in pig latin in a high voice, who created the strings and marbles by coughing them up.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 10:43:07 am »
Strings and marbles are a choking hazard, that'll drive parents of young children away from the religion. We need something that is easy to find and something that cannot be swallowed.

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 10:44:13 am »
but sloths are all fuzzy and huggable!
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2008, 10:44:48 am »
Hmm.. how about the apocalypse paradox is that eventually, the cat will swallow the ropes and marbles, causing everything to disappear?  It could be like Aesop:  Do not choke.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2008, 10:45:51 am »
Humorous novelty hats?  Each god has it's own hat, which is worn on it's festival.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2008, 10:48:50 am »
Ooh!  This religion can be one of those people who say that the surface we live on is the inside of the Earth!  You know like that crazy dude!

Hmmm...  and penguins.  Penguins somewhere too.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2008, 10:53:08 am »
Monkrai? Why not get ideas from IVChan? ???

I've also come up with a cosmology of my own. But its a wee bit different and it completely logically explains why things are how they are and why theres evil and free will and stuff and why some most religious leaders in their realm have half-baked answers and why theres a lot of cosmically blind people who don't believe in magic in their respective universes and why some of the cosmic leaders look inherently evil even though they're not actually inherently evil and just turned evil because they lost to a test of righteousness on their own free will. But thats an entirely different story. >.>


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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2008, 10:54:28 am »
I'll come back with one entirely of my own soon.
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2008, 05:12:52 pm »
Quote from: /lurk on Yesterday at 12:58:28 PM
So your religion doesn't actually tell anyone what to do, it's just a cosmology? Individual Gods need to be fleshed out more. Why bother being good if you're only going to go somewhere that's the same as Earth anyway?

All the planets are different. Earth might be too materialistic and not spiritual enough for some people, so if those people are good on Earth, then they would ascend to a world that's more spiritual. Let's call it world 3.

If there's somebody who thinks Earth is too spiritual and not materialistic enough, they would be better off on a more materialistic planet. Let's call that world 5.

Now, if person 1 misbehaves, he'll go to world 5 and if person 2 misbehaves, he'll go to world 3.

Basically, if you behave well, you go to another world that better fits your personality to start another life in which you will be happier. If you misbehave, you will go to another world where you will not be as happy. But it's not like one world is better for everyone like the Christian conception of heaven and hell. Each world has its own advantages and disadvantages which make the "heavenly world" different for every person.

EDIT: Just made up a creation myth!

In the beginning, there was one God who created and ruled over one megaplanet called Omicron Persii. There was a war between 8 different groups on the planet based on their values that threatened to destroy all life on the planet. The god split himself up into 8 separate beings, limited his power to avoid dissention within the pantheon, and separated Omicron Persii into 8 separate homelands for each of the people. Thus were born the eight gods and the eight planets.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2008, 05:18:49 pm »
Interesting.  But what does your religion consider behaving and misbehaving?
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2008, 05:20:41 pm »
Misbehave: Causing human sorrow, suffering, or pain by direct means (or indirect, if you are aware of the consequences of your indirect actions)

Behave: Causing human pleasure from direct actions (or indirect, if you are aware of the consequences of your indirect actions)

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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2008, 05:22:41 pm »
... Ok, I've been watching too much porn...

Speaking of which, if you cause human pleasure through indirect means.... does that mean sex industry workers are the best of the best? They bring pleasure to millions...

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2008, 05:27:30 pm »
They cause Christians a lot of grief, and other people obsessed with these so called "morals".
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2008, 05:31:45 pm »
Possibly. But then, the people that are griefed by it grief others by imposing their 'morals' on people who don't think they're all they're cracked up to be.

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2008, 05:32:28 pm »
But morals are good.  Morals=good.  It's the definition of morals.
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2008, 05:43:09 pm »
The original god was an invisible pink unicorn.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2008, 05:50:21 pm »
I agree with this poster.

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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2008, 05:50:36 pm »
The morals of a murderer are "Kill people who I deem bad!"

Are those morals good?

Didn't think so. To a lesser extent, the morals of a Muslim are "Have multiple wives!"

Do you think THOSE morals are good? Nooooo!

Moral's are in the eyes of the beholder.

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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2008, 05:51:57 pm »
But those aren't morals, those are immorals.
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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2008, 06:49:09 pm »
Not to a murderer. And not to a Muslim.

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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2008, 07:59:08 pm »
If society is better off as a whole because that person lived, then that person will ascend. If he kills an innocent mother of two, that's not helping society. If he kills a serial rapist, then society has improved because of him.

Only the Council can decide if the action was helpful or harmful.  ;) Just do whatever you think is righteous and hope the gods agree.

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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2008, 08:00:12 pm »
What if you do nothing of real consequence/the good and bad cancel one another out and neither was bigger?
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2008, 08:02:54 pm »
Not to a murderer. And not to a Muslim.

Lets put it this way.

               Morals are subjective. However, if you take into account the morals of an all encompassing being, it is not subjective anymore, but objective. For example, your feet might have a different opinion from your hands because they are subjective. However, if you consider your entire body, it isn't subjective anymore, in respect to it's different parts. Get it?


Individuals

Everythings
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  = All encompassing = Objective


               Study the military chain of command and you'll get what I mean.

               Now go to the socio-political thread and discuss it there you two.

If society is better off as a whole because that person lived, then that person will ascend. If he kills an innocent mother of two, that's not helping society. If he kills a serial rapist, then society has improved because of him.

Only the Council can decide if the action was helpful or harmful.  ;) Just do whatever you think is righteous and hope the gods agree.

Basically, they're jusdged by their hearts, just like irl?

What if you do nothing of real consequence/the good and bad cancel one another out and neither was bigger?
I'd reckon that wouldn't happen since there are actually no gray areas.

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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2008, 08:03:34 pm »
you ascend/ descend based on how much good or bad you did. So let's say you're on your level 4 world. You do some slight wrong, you may go to level 3. You're Osama Bin Laden, you go to 1. You're mother teresa, you go to 8. If you live a modest life according to your values, then that's considered a plus as long as you didn't hurt anybody.

It doesn't have to be a big dramatic improvement. You don't have to cure AIDS to move up a level or two. If you fall in love, get married, have kids, work an honest job, and give back to your community, that's certainly considered doing good.

Keep up the criticism and questions, guys. It's just making my concept stronger before I have to present it.
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2008, 08:05:51 pm »
But, THEORETICALLY, what would happen to someone who never did anything in their life but eat and grow, and they never did anything else or made contact?
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2008, 08:09:22 pm »
But, THEORETICALLY, what would happen to someone who never did anything in their life but eat and grow, and they never did anything else or made contact?

So if he was kept in a closet attached to an IV for 80 years until he died? Then he would probably restart in the same world.

Whoever did that to him, though, would certainly descend a world or two.

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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2008, 08:40:59 pm »
Hmmm...  What would it be like to be trapped in a closet for your life?  Pretty boring I imagine but maybe you'd entertain yourself.

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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2008, 08:45:52 pm »
Me and my friend had a huge conversation about a guy who would be trapped in a pure white room his whole life, the food, walls, and him would be painted pure white. He were thinking about what he would eat about, dream about, etc. etc. then we were wondering what would happen if some one put a red marble in that room...


Any way, I think you should elaborate more on the gods and how they got there. You can say that they were all ways there, but what about how (or why) they made the planets, life, etc. (or even if they did make all those things).
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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2008, 02:42:11 am »
Alcohol as a spiritual medium to connect with the Gods?

As far as I can deduce that = free beer in church
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2008, 02:49:38 am »
Man, that would almost make Christianity worth it.

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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2008, 04:46:39 am »
...Almost... Not quite.

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« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2008, 05:36:28 am »
Yeah, that kind of thinking almost makes believing in pentagrams and potions worth it desu.

...Almost... Not quite desu.

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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2008, 07:03:27 am »
Why aren't there deities of immorality? If you're judged on what kind of person you are and you only ever enjoyed hurting people, how can they condemn you? If you followed the righteous path and were nice to people, would they fix you or give you worlds of people who enjoy suffering?
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« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2008, 07:30:18 am »
And remember to make Friday and Saturday holy days. Nothing but pleasure, fun and debauchery should be achieved on these days.

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« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2008, 07:33:42 am »
What of worshiping these gods? What if you worship one but your personality type is more fitted to another? Whose world do you go to?
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« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2008, 08:19:56 am »
To the one that fits best, I reckon desu.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2008, 08:24:03 am »
I wonder what'd happen if someone suggested that there was this life and an afterlife that is essentially just another universe, and this continues. You reincarnate in another universe that operates under a different set of rules. No deities, no mysticism. You just die and reincarnate. Good and evil don't matter, your reincarnation is based on luck and location, not what you do.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2008, 08:29:42 am »
               Eventually, one of the most powerful beings in that dimension would seek to uphold order, I guess desu.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2008, 08:33:47 am »
Why do you keep saying desu? And there'd be more than one dimension. The number would not be known. It could even be random which you reincarnated in. Sometimes the same one, sometimes another.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2008, 08:46:26 am »
It's his religion.

No-one would listen to the guy who proposed arbitrary multiple reality reincarnation, since it doesn't mean anything or tell them what to do.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2008, 09:20:28 am »
Yeah, you have to come up with something like "And this world was attacked by an evil thingamagig, and in this life you must do xyz to destroy it and avoid being consumed by it."
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2008, 11:39:43 am »
Well, Buddhism merely offers an opinion that this life is suffering and that achieving perfection merely lets you move on. I actually like the idea of a pointless belief system, though.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2008, 12:27:51 pm »
Alcohol as a spiritual medium to connect with the Gods?

As far as I can deduce that = free beer in church

I'd consider it, but the teacher said it can't have anything that promotes sex, drugs, or alcohol.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2008, 12:58:25 pm »
I'd probably piss off at the teacher and go on a rant about how there is nothing wrong with sex if the teacher told me that.

Then, that's just me.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2008, 03:05:12 pm »
EDIT: Just made up a creation myth!

In the beginning, there was one God who created and ruled over one megaplanet called Omicron Persii. There was a war between 8 different groups on the planet based on their values that threatened to destroy all life on the planet. The god split himself up into 8 separate beings, limited his power to avoid dissention within the pantheon, and separated Omicron Persii into 8 separate homelands for each of the people. Thus were born the eight gods and the eight planets.




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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2008, 03:22:36 pm »
EDIT: Just made up a creation myth!

In the beginning, there was one God who created and ruled over one megaplanet called Omicron Persii. There was a war between 8 different groups on the planet based on their values that threatened to destroy all life on the planet. The god split himself up into 8 separate beings, limited his power to avoid dissention within the pantheon, and separated Omicron Persii into 8 separate homelands for each of the people. Thus were born the eight gods and the eight planets.




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Ahem... anyway, Omicron Persei is a real place, just in case you didn't' know that. :P

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2008, 03:33:23 pm »
Or what about aliens who, coincidentally, want to communicate?
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2008, 04:51:43 pm »
My friend suggested we make a ReligionWiki.

"ReligionWiki. The religion anyone can edit."


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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2008, 05:01:51 pm »
Might make a good forum game or RP is we had someone to Admin it.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2008, 05:30:26 pm »


Would someone be able to touch up that design/ make the background transparent?

Also, i need some help making a two sided three fold brochure for this assignment. Does anyone know how to set this up easily in Office 2007? I don't want anything fancy, just black, unformatted text.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2008, 06:33:45 pm »
There you are, 762.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2008, 06:50:49 pm »
ALL BOW DOWN BEFORE THE EIGHTFOLD PATH!

... Sorry, I've just wanted to say that ever since I started playing 40K.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2008, 08:30:16 pm »
That's Buddhism, right?

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2008, 08:32:48 pm »
I was referring to the Eightfold Path of Chaos, but, yes, Buddhism has the Eightfold Path of Right Ways, Right Thought, and Right Action.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2008, 04:42:31 am »
There you are, 762.



How do you do that?

Also, i need some help making a two sided three fold brochure for this assignment. Does anyone know how to set this up easily in Office 2007? I don't want anything fancy, just black, unformatted text.

Do you not have microsoft publisher?
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2008, 08:07:52 am »
I was referring to the Eightfold Path of Chaos, but, yes, Buddhism has the Eightfold Path of Right Ways, Right Thought, and Right Action.

For the rest of us, there's the Eightfold Way of particle physics.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2008, 11:48:21 am »
I tried publisher, but it wanted me to do some crazyass graphics and weird style and everything. They didn't have just blank templates, and I don't know how to make a two sided brochure with publisher

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2008, 03:36:14 pm »
Just get the template and then delete all the shapes from it.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2008, 07:28:24 pm »
sound slike some thing somebody just made up (do not jumnp on that) it doesnt have much of a semblance of order or evidence like my anzunian religon does (its down in my sig..somewhere)

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2008, 07:25:29 am »
I'd appreciate if a mod could take out all the crap about general religion, please.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2008, 07:54:32 pm »
Done, stay on topic please.

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2008, 08:45:16 am »
Awww, you  removed my suggestions too, though.
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« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2008, 08:50:11 am »
Have some more polytheism in there.

Gods of everything.

Water, fire, earth, thunder, lightning, apple crumble, etc.
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« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2008, 10:11:16 am »
Done, stay on topic please.
Two things:
One:Maybe you could put it back in under the "Religion" thread.
Two:You should probably put back in some of the on-topic posts you accidentally removed.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2008, 10:12:17 am »
Don't tell her how to do her job, TTT.

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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2008, 10:50:56 am »
It's called advice.  I'm sure you give people it too.
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« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2008, 10:53:40 am »
Yeah, I agree with TT's suggestions
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« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2008, 11:23:51 am »
It's called advice.  I'm sure you give people it too.
What part of "stay on topic" don't you understand???

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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2008, 11:29:18 am »
It's called advice.  I'm sure you give people it too.

Like a serial killer avising the Chief of Police.

Actually, according to Hollywood this actually happens and my comment is moot.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2008, 01:27:17 pm »
Actually, there have been accounts, in the past, of ex-criminals assisting the police or private security forces. They can't be official police but they get hired on as freelance workers, who provide interesting insight. Thieves are especially common in this respect, master thieves doubly so.

Also, don't use small text, it's annoying.


Back on topic, how goes the presentation of this idea?
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« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2008, 01:37:44 pm »
I suggest something:

In each world, when you do something EXTREMELY majorly good, (E.G. end a war or invent a new life-saving drug), you go to a special ninth world.  If you act badly in this world, you go back to the cycle forever and can never go back to the ninth world again.  But, if you act well in the ninth world, you discover the meaning of life and become a god of a new world.  But, this happens VERY, VERY rarely.  The ninth world is extremely difficult to act well in, with temptations to evil practically everywhere.
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Re: A customized religion
« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2008, 03:56:25 pm »
Sounds kinda silly to me because you need standardized definitions of good and it could lead to boasting.
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