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I dislike authors who live off their hits.
« on: March 22, 2005, 08:33:09 am »
Just would like to rant for a bit - I'm in a bad mood.

I dislike authors who live off their hit novels/series.  For example, take Agatha Christie and Terry Pratchett.  Agatha Christie is a very poor author who wrote countless books about the ridiculous Inspector Poirot, and they were ALL the same.  Rich people murdering each other, and Poirot comes up with an ingenious way of figuring out who did it.  Great, that's cool for the first book... but after you write another 50?  What a pleb... I can't believe the idiots who read these "stories".

She wrote about NOTHING else, and yet she is considered a great author.  Why?  The stories are predictable, the writing is poor (I've written better stuff than her - and I'm not joking) and she wrote a truckload of them.  And then you get the other authors who copy her style and write similar books, who recieve equally critical acclaim... and then you get the parody artists who decide it would be funny to parody her stuff, and to make "funny" plays/spoofs/books on it.  Get this, it's NOT funny - ever.  Stop writing and get a job in a supermarket to let real authors get on with their work and recieve the acclaim they deserve.

Okay... that's the witch Agatha Christie done (Oh how I hate her...), time for award winning kiddie's novelist Terry Pratchett.  Now I picked up one of his "amazing" little fantasy books one day, because I was bored and had read all the real books that I had available in the place I was, and was shocked.  Not only is his writing poor, but he has like whole library sections dedicated to his books which all seem the same.  I shortly stopped reading that book, but have picked up bits and pieces about his "novels" from people. 

They go on about these stupid creatures and say how funny they are, telling me to "read it or I won't see the funny side".  Maybe it's funny for kids... but please stop forcing this illiterate nonsense on me.  Why does this imbecilic bumpkin get so much acclaim for his stupid "Discworld" series which spans about a thousand books about stupid animals which he's made up?  Why does everybody love him?  He's earned millions by re-writing his stupid stories much like Agatha Christie I presume, and is living an easy life.  Doesn't anyone get jealous and feel spite towards this? 

Personally I think that there should be a "Lazy a**hole's" section in libraries so that I don't have to forage through rows of Terry Pratchett and Agatha Christie's crap to get to some real literature.


Well that's about it.  I think we can affirm that I hate authors who live off their stupid novels which are just repeats of themselves, as well as Keanu Reeves and Vin Diesal.  Wow, feels great to get that off my chest...


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Re: I hate authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2005, 08:45:01 am »
Never read Agatha Christie, never will, doesn't even remotely interest me. Now Terry Pratchett, I've read almost every book he's written, and I love almost all of them. I like Diskworld because it's so different, the characters are great, the story lines twist and turn (the Watch books are my favorite). Most of all, what I read in his books makes me laugh and that's what counts. I enjoy authors who write like Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams. Sure lines like "It smelled like the color green on a warm sunny day" are silly, but it makes you think what that's supposed to be describing. I'm about half-way through The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and I can't wait to read more of it.
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Re: I hate authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2005, 08:59:49 am »
Fair enough, if you find it funny.  But I still think it's poor literature.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2005, 09:02:53 am »
It's supposed to be funny though, he's not writing novels or anything. Cept for some of his non-Diskworld books, which are still awsome.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2005, 09:20:01 am »
It's funny for the first few books... but after the legions of them that are available?  It just angers me that someone can write, "The air smelled like the colour red" (or whatever it was) or something similar in each book and become rich and loved for it.  It's cheap and lazy.

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2005, 12:01:03 pm »
Okay, you want to talk about authors who live off their hits? Agatha Christie? Terry Pratchett? Please, they are nothing compared to the king of all "okay, here's the latest book in my series and I promise to end it ... before I die (maybe)".

I give you the king of never-ending series ... Robert Jordan.

I was reading The Wheel of Time series since it first came out ("was" being the keyword since I stopped reading it long ago). At first his series was supposed to be a trilogy. And you can see lots of that in the first three books. In fact, after they semi-kill the "main bad guy" the "backup bad guys" appear and actually have the nerve to say "Oh yeah, that main backup bad guy was so crazy that he actually thought it was the main bad guy"! :o Are you freaking kidding me?

So then it was supposed to end in six books, which went onto seven, and then eight and now he said it will end when it will end. And this series has been going on for almost 20 years now. And the last book? The last book? I didn't read it but I actually heard from my friends that the book did nothing but rehash the previous books in the series. That's it. That was the entire book.

In fact for fun I looked up Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series to see what the rating were for these books. Now remember, these books are all New York Times best sellers and I have almost never seen anything rated on Amazon.com with less than 3 1/2 stars. Never.

The Eye of the World - 4 stars
The Great Hunt - 4 1/2 stars
The Dragon Reborn - 4 stars
The Shadow Rising - 4 stars
The Fires of Heaven - 4 stars
Lord of Chaos - 4 stars
The Path of Daggers - 3 stars
Winter's Heart - 3 1/2 stars
Crossroads of Twilight - 1 1/2 stars :o

This guy must be stopped. I actually stopped reading unfinished series because of this guy.

Now Terry Pratchett? At least his books are light and fun. I like his stuff, still need to catch up on my Discworld books. What is he up to? Number 30?!?

Oh yeah, I read that Terry Pratchett is so popular in the UK that 1 out of every 10 books sold is one of his. And I believe it!
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Re: I hate authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2005, 02:02:43 pm »
In fact for fun I looked up Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series to see what the rating were for these books. Now remember, these books are all New York Times best sellers and I have almost never seen anything rated on Amazon.com with less than 3 1/2 stars. Never.

The Eye of the World - 4 stars
The Great Hunt - 4 1/2 stars
The Dragon Reborn - 4 stars
The Shadow Rising - 4 stars
The Fires of Heaven - 4 stars
Lord of Chaos - 4 stars
The Path of Daggers - 3 stars
Winter's Heart - 3 1/2 stars
Crossroads of Twilight - 1 1/2 stars :o

This guy must be stopped. I actually stopped reading unfinished series because of this guy.

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I liked the first two or three books in Wheel of Time. Lan in particular was a great character. But by Book Six or so, my brain was starting to hurt. There was at least one book (I want to say Lord of Chaos) where basically nothing happened between the first two chapters and last two chapters. I stalled out at Winter's Heart about a year ago, and have never really gotten any urge to pick it back up.

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Re: I hate authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2005, 02:40:01 pm »
Pratchett is popular in the UK, which is another reason why I hate his books so much.  "Light and fun" is fine - it just doesn't deserve all the acclaim it gets.

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2005, 07:18:31 pm »
Janos, it's just not your style. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Hahahaha, Robert Jordan! I read the first 2 books, I'd rather put my eyes out than read the rest. I've heard really bad things about them. Like in one he spends the whole book killing some guys and they come back to life at the end.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005, 12:34:08 am »
I uasaly dont have an issue with authors, as I tend to reserch the book before I purchase them. While I agree with most, series that go on and on with no visable end/story warping is realy bad for the readers.

I only problems I have are when book discriptions are over rated/sterched beyond the truth, when presented in the summary.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 09:54:38 am »
To put it simply when I'm in a library, i pick up books based on their title, cover art, and if I get a good feel for it. I don't bother to read the inside panel in them or anything. I can usually tell what's good and what's going to suck like that.
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 11:35:35 am »
To put it simply when I'm in a library, i pick up books based on their title, cover art, and if I get a good feel for it. I don't bother to read the inside panel in them or anything. I can usually tell what's good and what's going to suck like that.

What do you do when you see a plain copy of Don Quixote with nothing but the title and author on it then?  I'd read the blurb before enjoying the cover art. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005, 05:58:37 pm »
Pratchett is popular in the UK, which is another reason why I hate his books so much.
I really do not like what you are trying to imply here.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2005, 06:09:54 pm »
If I see a plain copy of Don Quixote I pass it up, cause I've already read it, seen the movie, and seen the Wishbone Episode of it.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2005, 06:19:54 pm »
If I see a plain copy of Don Quixote I pass it up, cause I've already read it, seen the movie, and seen the Wishbone Episode of it.

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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2005, 02:45:58 am »
Pratchett is popular in the UK, which is another reason why I hate his books so much.
I really do not like what you are trying to imply here.

And what, exactly, am i implying?

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2005, 05:21:19 pm »
I think he thinks you're saying that being popular in the UK is a bad hting.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2005, 06:31:26 pm »
I read the first three in the Wheel of Time series. Eh, they were all right. Not anything amazing.

And then I tried to read the fourth one...and after about the 100th page I realized that NOTHING had happened yet. I'm serious, NOTHING. I was incredibly bored.

So I returned it too the library and haven't even thought about picking it up since.

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2005, 06:10:06 am »
I live in the UK - it's fine to say that since i have lived here for many years.  Also, it IS a bad thing that bad authors are popular... anywhere!

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2005, 10:05:32 pm »
They can't be bad authors if people buy they're books though. They might be bad to you, but obviously someone likes them.
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2005, 11:57:39 pm »
Quixote is great!

I've even sung in the musical! But I havn't seen the Wishbone episode...um...havn't seen Wishbone...is that an American thing?
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2005, 12:16:03 am »
Yes, it is baced on books.
I have never read any of these books you speak of,the only series I like is LOTR and Harry Potter, Rolling lives off her hits, but they are so differed.

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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2005, 12:25:13 am »
Wishbone's sort of a for-kids/ show that is about a dog that reinacts fameous literature, and usually acts as a main character in whichever book is being covered, if I remember correctly.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2005, 01:39:04 am »
Yes, it is baced on books.
I have never read any of these books you speak of,the only series I like is LOTR and Harry Potter, Rolling lives off her hits, but they are so differed.

Even though i am no avid LOTR geek, what i do know is that Tolkien is dead, and did NOT churn out hundreds of LOTR books, hence he did no milk off his hits.  He wrote the LOTR, the Silmarilion(spelling?) and various other tales about his world (Middle Earth) - the depth with which he has populated his world is incredible... he even made up the languages!  Fantasy authors nowerdays milk off Tolkien's work - which is no better than Agatha Christie and Terry Pratchett.

And i'm sorry, but i've not seen one respectable adult in the UK read a Terry Pratchett as of late - only kids.  And if you were unfortunate enough to see the launch of the newest Harry Potter books on the NEWS (yes people... sad isn't it), and how some kids were saying how it was the "best day of their life", then their opinions do not matter if that's how they react to those kinds of books.


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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2005, 02:19:44 am »
Terry Goodkind is probably the best fantasy-setting author I know of who is still writing books. The Sword of Truth series is pure gold. If you have A LOT of time on your hands or are an avid reader I highly suggest these books. Beware though they tend to be very graphic at points. Also they have nothing, absolutely nothing in common with Tolkien and his works. No elves, no dwarfs, no silly goblins and orcs. It's pure gold, baby!

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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2005, 02:53:09 am »
My brother loves the Silmarilion - can't say i've bothered with it myself, orcs and goblins and elves get very old, very quickly. Hmm, never heard of this Terry Goodkind, i'll have to check him out after i've read the books i've got lined up.

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2005, 08:33:31 pm »
I am reading it.
Yes Tolkien is dead, not the point.

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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2005, 01:46:05 am »
I am reading it.
Yes Tolkien is dead, not the point.

It is the point, hence he is not milking off it, his family is - there's a difference.

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2005, 11:24:58 am »
I will certainly agree that Mr. Pratchett has written quite a lot and not all of it has been stellar but he has crafted an incredibly rich world for something that was originally meant as a joke and his books don't feel like a series like Robert Jordan.  Instead, they're more like little visits to see what's new on the Disc.  I disagree that his books are for children (except for his children's Discworld books which are some of the creepiest things I've read) and think that he has a lot to offer for people who like quirky British writing and just fun reads.  The first two books in the Gormenghast series are a good read if you have a lot of patience.  -leeman

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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2005, 09:00:48 am »
I enjoy the works of Harry Turtledove and Robert Forstchen (sp?), their books are usually alternative history, and tend to be quite graphic, but neither author has ever had a problem ending a series and moving on.



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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2005, 10:48:35 am »
I love Pratchett and the Discworld....Just like lemurbouy said, it doesn't feel like a series....
In your initial post you said that all of his books are the same. They are not, they are VERY different.
Pratchett uses famous literature as inspiration and if you know those stories (like Shakespeare stuff for example) it is even funnier.
In some books he discusses philosophy (If there is a big elephant falling out of the sky, but no one sees or hears it falling, has it really happened ?) in a really funny way.
Another topic I love is "new technology" like the printing press.
He shows the reader a different aspect of those inventions:
"If you use the same letters to print a baking book (? Babelfish translation) and the book of holy whisdom, what happens to the holy words ? For that matter, what does it do to the pie ?"
All of his books have different topics and there are many different characters, some appear again in other books, some don't appear again......

I think those books are really funny and....well....great entertainment.
If you don't like'em, that's allright, but you have not even read one book. Nevertheless you say they're all the same....come o
Most people I know actually like his books (even my German teacher and he only likes "real" literature ;) ) and they are no kids anymore ;)

Anyway, no offense, just my 2 cents ;)

About those "Never-Ending-Stories":
I really hate that too, especially Wheel of time. I have never read a book of that series, but always wanted to (well at least since I heard about it in a review of a PC-Game about the Wheel of Time), but as there are soooo many of them.
I really don't know where to start (yes number one, I know ;) ). I mean, you stand in front of this shelve at the book store and
there are at least 12 different copys.They all look different, I don't know which one to buy, so I just end up buying some new "stand-alone" SF novel ;)

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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2005, 05:09:18 pm »
I love Pratchet and the Discworld....
Just like lemurbouy said, it doesn't feel like a series....
In your initial post you said that all of his books were the same.
They are not, they are VERY different.
Pratchet uses a lot of famous literature as inspiration and
if you know those stories (like Shakespeare stuff for example)
it is even funnier.
In other books he discusses different ideas of philosophy (If there is a big elephant falling
from the sky, but no one sees or hears it, has it really happened ?) but in
a really funny and easy to understand way.
Another topic I love is "new technology" like the printing press.
He shows the reader a different aspect of those inventions:
"If you use the same letters to print a book about baking and the book of holy whisdom,
what would happen to the holy words ? For that matter, what would it do to the pie ?"
All of his books have different topics and there are many different characters, some appear
again in other books, some not......

I think those books are really funny and....well....great entertainment.
If you don't like'em, that's allright, but to say they're all the same and you have not
even read one complete book.....come on......
Most people I know actually like his books (even my German teacher and he only
likes "real literature" ;) ) and they are no kids anymore ;)
Anyway, no offense, just my 2 cents ;)

About those "Never-Ending-Stories":
I really hate that too, especially Wheel of time, I have never read a book of that series,
but always wanted to (well at least since I heard about it in a review of a PC-Game
that was about the Wheel of Time), but as there are soooo many of them
I really don't know where to start (yes number one, I know ;) ).
I mean, you stand in front of this shelve at the book shop and
there are like at least 12 copys of some Wheel of Time books,
they all look different and I just end up buying some new
"stand-alone" SF novel ;)


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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2005, 09:47:51 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2005, 11:52:34 am »
Terry Goodkind is probably the best fantasy-setting author I know of who is still writing books. The Sword of Truth series is pure gold. If you have A LOT of time on your hands or are an avid reader I highly suggest these books. Beware though they tend to be very graphic at points. Also they have nothing, absolutely nothing in common with Tolkien and his works. No elves, no dwarfs, no silly goblins and orcs. It's pure gold, baby!

Sounds like a similar series I'm reading, the Rhapsody series by Elizabeth Haydon. Check it out sometime if your interested in stories with lots of lore and history. At times some characters seem pretty boyish, but there is some balance to it.

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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2005, 08:49:20 pm »
I really do like The Discworld series (except the "For Kids" ones, those just don't feel like Pratchett). None of them seem 'the same' to me. With the exception of perhaps Soul Music and Moving Pictures, those were strikingly similar. I don't see where you are going with Terry Pratchett books, he isn't 'living off his hit' or writing the same thing over again. And he is definitely not milking off Tolkien. That's like saying Tolkien is milking off general mythology, it's the Fantasy genre, it's popular. His writing is not all silly 'I smelled like green this morning' humor. He is philosophical, and gives you something to think about as you read. For example, in Thief of Time, he writes that there must be a smallest possible unit of time, a Universal Tick, in which the smallest thing possible to happen will happen, like frames per second an a computer game. Otherwise there would be no definite time for the present to become the future or the past. That makes perfect sense.

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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2005, 05:25:11 am »
The last post here was in May, it's now August ;) - i've pretty much gotten over my Pratchett rant now, please don't coax me into another argument - i'm in a good mood today.


On a side note - regarding the person i told to write a "coherent English sentence" to, i sent a PM apologizing for my little outburst, and no harm done.  I chose to keep the post on here regardless - i don't shy away from mistakes and bad things that i've said and done.  So no i'm not going to lambast you or call you an "arsehole", Kishmond (which i never did to anyone else anyway).  You brought the thread up again with the intention of winding me up - why else would you reply and then effectively say, "Don't bother to challenge my argument."?

Anyway, i'm bored with this thread.  I've made my views about Pratchett and his... works known.

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Re: I dislike authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2006, 10:17:16 pm »
I have to disagree with your views on Terry Pratchett.  Obviously people enjoy his works.  You either like British humor or you don't.  It's that simple.  His books are light and fun and that is usually enough for people.  His books can be read in any order so it really doesn't have to be considered a complete series.

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Re: I dislike authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2006, 06:25:55 am »
Sorry to be posting in this thread, as it's seemingly dead based on the OP's perspective, but I would like to ask since when a novel couldn't be just light and fun? I'm of the opinion that if every author attempted to write 'literature' -- which is a word I've grown to associate with pretentious babblings that no one really gives a damn about anyway -- then they would never produce any, and there would be far less entertaining things to read due to it. You can't try to write literature. It's a moniker that something earns after the fact and often for reasons not in any way related to whether it's something worth reading.

And dismissing Harry Potter, or any series, based on the rabidness of its fanbase is a touch narrow-minded. True, it'll never touch the 'Alice' stories but it's still a fun series to read through.

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Re: I dislike authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2006, 08:34:04 am »
I must say I like the majority of Pratchett's books new and old, and i have never read an Agatha Christie or Robert Jordan book so i cannot comment. However the author whom I will vent my spleen at is Patricia Cornwell, her books are not only a terrible read, that follow annoyingly similar plot lines, especially her Kay Scarpetta series, but in theaforementioned books the main charactor does not even act like a pathologist should. She plays the discriminated woman card all the time despite the fact that her charactor is right at the top of her chosen career.  The main charactor seem to have an emotional age of 16 or 61 depending upon the situation, the serial killers in her book seem like she has lifted them out of the newspaper archives, and anyone who doesn't get on with the main charactor is either evil or outrageously corrupt, and usually dies. I am doing a degree in forensic science and if anyone else mentions these toilet roll substitutes again when i tell them what degree I'm doing I will not be held responsible for my actions nor for the mess.
P.S. CSI can be included in that too

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Re: I dislike authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2006, 08:58:23 am »
Terry Prattchett is a good writer. He is funny and light, yet can have some interetsing charcaters and gritty parts. Look at Vimes. Such a shallow character at first, but then read all the books featuring him, and you'll realise he's a complicated individual.

Robert Jordan? I actualy like his books, but they ARE far too slow.  I've just finsihed Fires of Heaven and its my favourite so far.
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Re: I dislike authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2006, 10:52:30 pm »
King. That's an author who'se seen his glory days. Dreamcatcher was really weird. He took things from Alien all the time. I know it was intentional but why would you do that? It didn't make sense and it felt imaginative as a porno movie script(but better written).

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Re: I dislike authors who live off their hits.
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2006, 11:24:21 am »
King. That's an author who'se seen his glory days. Dreamcatcher was really weird. He took things from Alien all the time. I know it was intentional but why would you do that? It didn't make sense and it felt imaginative as a porno movie script(but better written).

Cell was freakin' awesome, though
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