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"What is" the real origin of Spore?
« on: September 20, 2005, 06:39:51 am »
I think we've covered the aspect of survival and evolution rather well.  But what about the theme of intellectual cross-pollenation?  "What is" the the inspiration for such a model of viral creativity?  Indeed, "what is" the internet system which has been repeatedly cited on this forum, and yet the link never been made?

None other than "You're the Man Now Dog".

Perhaps an example will illustrate ytmnd's power best.  The first instance of a "what is love?" ytmnd site appeared as http://whatlove.ytmnd.com/ 24 April 2004.  It featured only a clip from the song and a picture of the singer.  ytmnd sites inspired by "whatlove" included "fux0r" (using the convention of ____.ytmnd.com), and "isthislove".  These early forms were rudamentary, and failed to develop a unique mutation which was passed on to offspring. 

Then there was "whatislove".  This possessed the innovation of displaying Chris Kattan as a Roxbury Guy bobbing his head to the music.  Other sites such as "love11" and "khandont" (crossbred with the ravenous KHAAAAAAAAAANbeast) followed the general theme of the Roxbury Guys, although simpler what-is-loveforms still predominated.  "Donthurtme" further steered evolution to the specific episode featuring Jim Carrey as a third Roxbury Guy.  For a long time this version appeared to be a deadend; it was a simple alteration of another theme, which produced no offspring of it's own.  In fact, the entire "what is love?" phylum appeared to have stagnated.  Then, in early june of 2005... there was "ckjcwf".

Ckjcwf had made the crucial step in it's evolution.  It had ceased to be merely a tapeloop of a song, and become an identity.  Ckjcwf inspired a cambrian explosion of other what-is-loveforms: "wilpsp", "whatislove-ring-girl", "whatissonic", "whatistiger", "jeopardywhatislove".  "Whatismetal" showed the ability to use other songs in place of What is Love, while keeping the Roxbury Car animation.  Although variations on earlier Roxbury types, and particularly the generic "whatlove" are still being created this day, it is likely that the majority of Whatislove types derive from ckjcwf.


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Re: "What is" the real origin of Spore?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2005, 09:39:58 am »
hmmm, yes, well. it could also be that some bright spark at Maxis just MADE THE IDEA UP! Apparently succesuful artists writers musicians etc are forever plagued by the question 'Where do you get your inspiration?' about 9/10 of them cant give an answer because they just make the stuff up.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2005, 11:08:54 am »
I really hope you're being sarcastic.
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Re: "What is" the real origin of Spore?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2005, 11:12:59 am »
The is a news article that talks about WW's inspiration for the game. It's an old science class movie called the power's of ten, were it starts at the edge of the unvierse and zooms in by powers of ten all the way to this guy in a park and then zooms to his cellular and then to the atomic level. How he made the jump from that to Spore...you knows other than will?

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2005, 01:32:48 pm »
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I really hope you're being sarcastic.
i...cant remember! :o

yeah, ive got a book a bit like that powers of ten, except it doesnt always show the same thing (picnic-guys hand- guys cells- guys atoms-etc) it'll have- like a picture of a soap bubble really magnified then maby a cell, all the way up to the galaxies and nebula we all know and love.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2005, 01:47:32 pm »
I was actually referring to the original post.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2005, 02:00:21 pm »
Past the thread title I don't understand what the OP is saying.

Apparently Will has been dreaming about this for years and is the culmination of quite a few different game concepts and designs.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2005, 06:02:52 pm »
I can be very inscrutable when I'm on to a idea.  Sorry.

To clarify: YTMND, or "You're the Man Now Dog" is a (mostly) comedy website where any anonymous user can create simple webpages with a simple format.  That is, a tiled image, a looping soundtrack, and a small text blurb.  Sometimes this only involves two of the three.  There are threads on another conference of this board showing off YTMND pages.

YTMND tends to be highly derivative.  The content is almost exclusively borrowed from outside sources and each creation tends to be based on earlier creations.  This unoriginality is actually considered the core to YTMND's appeal.

YTMND can be considered an evolutionary process.  I'll try to make my earlier illustration of this more accessible.  Note that I present only one branch of evolution.  Nearly all of these sites inspired other sites not shown.

1. http://yourethemannowdog.ytmnd.com/  The primal organism, source of all life.  Developed the original YTMND format.

2. http://whatlove.ytmnd.com/  The parent of all other "what-is-loveforms".  Plays a looped track of a segment of the song "What is Love?" by Haddaway.

3. http://whatislove.ytmnd.com/  Specifically invokes the "Roxbury Guys" recurring SNL sketch.

4. http://donthurtme.ytmnd.com/  Specifically the episode involving Jim Carrey as a third "Roxbury Guy".

5. http://ckjcwf.ytmnd.com/  Specifically the scene in the car.  The majority of "What is Love?" YTMND's are directly inspired from this page.  It appears that it acquired enough of an identity to be used in a vast number of derivative pages, some not even using the song "What is Love?".

6. A few samples of the many "ckjcwf" inspired YTMND's.
a. http://whatislove-ring-girl.ytmnd.com/
b. http://whatissonic.ytmnd.com/  Cross-referenced (or cross-pollenated) with the popular theme of Sonic the Hedgehog telling children how to resist sexual abuse.
c. http://whatistiger.ytmnd.com/  Crossed with the theme of putting existing themes into Tiger Handheld form.
d. http://whatismetal.ytmnd.com/  The same scene with german heavy metal music.
e. http://jeopardywhatislove.ytmnd.com/  Jeopardy in "what is love?" form.

Note that all of these pages were created by different authors.  YTMND involves intellectual clipping and recombination on a massive scale.  Derivation so absolute as to be creative in itself.  Clearly Spore's "Massively Singleplayer" architecture is inspired by this or another similar web phenomenon.  Granted other aspects of the game were not.
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They call me a poet who'll never have a poem
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Re: "What is" the real origin of Spore?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2005, 12:46:54 pm »
Clearly? How in the world can you draw a line between these two? I get the feeling you just wanted to mention your great research into something nobody cares else cares about, and somehow link it to Spore so you could post it here.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2005, 12:52:03 pm »
I mostly agree with Sparr's previous comment, but I'm also sensing some other motivation behind Leng's post. Perhaps a failed attempt at being funny?

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Re: "What is" the real origin of Spore?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2005, 02:58:34 pm »
Ytmnd... Heh heh. Like 4Chan's /b, without all the porn. Well, mostly.

Nice job tying it in with "what is". :D
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2005, 05:27:36 pm »
I'm totally serious.  This is how Spore's "Massively Singleplayer" architecture is going to work.  One person is going to come up with a lionish creature, another player will give it spikes on it's back, a third will alter it's organs (yes) to give it SUPERSPEED, and then a bunch of derivations will pop up.  Hopefully we can enter the perspective of the creatures we mutate in the UFO stage. 

And no, I do not have ulterior motives.  I think YOU lok for ulterior motives because you can't make the connection.
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Re: "What is" the real origin of Spore?
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2005, 08:38:25 am »
I for one completely agree, its pretty obvious.  but some people seem to think that unless two things are exactly the the same they have no simularly derived concepts.

Thanks for putting a concept bouncing around in my head (the evolution that will occur because of players on others' creatures) into a concrete idea.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2005, 11:31:33 am »
I'm totally serious. This is how Spore's "Massively Singleplayer" architecture is going to work. One person is going to come up with a lionish creature, another player will give it spikes on it's back, a third will alter it's organs (yes) to give it SUPERSPEED, and then a bunch of derivations will pop up. Hopefully we can enter the perspective of the creatures we mutate in the UFO stage.

And no, I do not have ulterior motives. I think YOU lok for ulterior motives because you can't make the connection.

That makes sense, if a creature that's downloaded from the server will get sent back when you change it, and not just your own creature.

I don't really think you have ulterior motives. It's pretentious, but no ulterior motives.

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2005, 05:17:20 am »
Oh, and maybe your hostility was more a reaction to this?

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In the year 14,086, standing amid the ruins of the World City, the vegetation slowly, slowly, carving itself into the long-abandoned technosphere.  Mankind's few survivors have wandered like stray dogs though this city for millenia.  I stand, staring upward at the sky, dreaming defiantly of the day, long past or long future, it matters not, when man could rise like a bird, like nuclear fire above this world, voyaging to the distant stars.  And somewhere in my memory (not memories of this life - I am not yet fully grown, and my body creaks with an age that should not be) a distant (past/future?) memory of the racial unconscious, I smile, looking out on the vast darkness, daring, knowing that I am leaving this pathetic world.  I shake it away like worthless dirt, and I am back again in the ruins, suddenly feeling homesick...
I have been told
not by one but two of my lovers
that I've got a heart of gold
but I'm unable to share it with others
They call me a poet who'll never have a poem
a tiger with no taste for bone
I'm the wonderful wonderful wizard who's waltzing alone

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Re: "What is" the real origin of Spore?
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2005, 05:21:15 am »
Fourteen-O-eighty-six!
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