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Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« on: April 14, 2008, 09:42:13 pm »
http://www.expelledthemovie.com

This is a new documentary from Ben Stein (yes, that Ben Stein) about evolution and intelligent design.  I admit that I know very little about this movie,  I only heard what it was about yesterday.  So the rest of you can look into it along with me.

By the way, I see this thread turning into a mess very quickly, but maybe we can get some good discussion out of it before then.


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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2008, 01:00:23 am »
I find the standpoint, that intelligent design should be taught in school as an alternative to evolution and that the "evolutionists" are holding the ID movement back, to be rather poor.

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 02:15:47 am »
Ah, this. Theres been a load of scandal regarding this in the evolution/design circles.

Critics have basically dismissed this as uninspired wannabe Michael Moor stuff, which I guess isn't too bad in itself. Apparently it doesn't end there because the only consistent theme in the film isn't one of intellectual freedom or rights to free speech, but the notion that belief in evolution somehow leads to Nazism and genocide >_<.
People started getting really angry when the guy who made the film started essentially bribing schools to take kids to see the film by offering cash incentives to the school that turned in the most ticket stubs.
Then it came to light that the guy had also lied to many of the contributing 'evolutionist' scientists, such as Richard Dawkins, who interviewed them on the premise the film was about something else, then subsequently stopped some of these contributers at the door and denied them entry when they tried to go to open screenings of the film.

But yeah, the wikipedia page expands on most of this. But it got good reviews from various christian organisations, so I guess it succeeded on the count of preaching to the converted.
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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 02:03:12 pm »
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php

Saw this blog a good while back.

As it turns out, this biologist was prevented entry, while Richard Dawkins himself walked right on through.

They had attended the function in a group together.

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 03:28:35 pm »
Heh, I was just reading some stuff about this.

Here's some further reading for anyone that's interested (primarily debunking the film):
http://www.expelledexposed.com/

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Sam is basically right, he's just cranky.

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 08:41:52 am »
Nice....

NICE....

NICE!!!!

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 01:29:17 pm »
Well, from the start I thought this looked like Stein trying to be the conservative Michael Moore.  Sounds like they used some of the same underhanded moves as Moore on this movie, so I guess I was right.
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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 06:14:07 pm »
I used to like Ben Stein.

Those clear eye commercials were just so inspirational.

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 10:52:10 pm »
Leave your religion out of our education!



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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2008, 01:53:24 am »
Haha. Intelligent design is a joke.

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2008, 04:29:58 pm »
No intelligence indeed.
No way dude, you're trolling me.

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2008, 07:30:08 pm »
I don't really feel like arguing over this one, I just felt like bringing it to your attention and seeing what the response would be.
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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2008, 08:55:37 pm »
Commercial sort of annoyed me. It made it seem like science has no answer for where life first began.
Kings 2:23-24 --- The Holy Bible
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youth.

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Re: Ben Stein in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2008, 07:17:56 am »
Commercial sort of annoyed me. It made it seem like science has no answer for where life first began.
......They don't.


(Okay, they have an answer but they still can't explain the very beginning)