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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #195 on: May 08, 2008, 05:51:59 pm »
Wouldn't EA save money by not putting anti-pirating software on their game? Pirates in general will never buy the game, even if it was uncrackable. I also assume SecuROM costs quite a bit to license. Really, it just seems to me like they toss money out the window to try to stop people (and failing miserably) from playing their game who would never buy it anyways. Doesn't make sense to me. I know I'll be getting a crack if SecuROM is used (which is still not official.)

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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #196 on: May 08, 2008, 05:54:36 pm »
Game politics has an article on this

If even half of that is true, then EA have just killed a big chunk of their sales.

I find it ironic that DRM encourages piracy because people don't want to install crap that messes with their computer and will only provide  a limited number of installations. I've re-installed some of my games at least 20-30 times so there is no way I'm going to buy a game which will only let me install a game 3 times.

If it comes down to it I'll just buy the game and then crack it, and just use my own content, because there is not a chance that I'm putting up with that atrocity.

I can guarantee that before spore is released in the US it will have already been cracked if EA goes through with this.
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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #197 on: May 08, 2008, 06:13:30 pm »
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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #198 on: May 08, 2008, 06:23:22 pm »
well....if it is true i better go buy an eyepatch and one of those little extendable telescopes ;)

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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #199 on: May 08, 2008, 06:30:16 pm »
Hmm, given that it has been shown that devs watch these boards, and others, and that this is a large outrage, if they were considering putting in securom, then maybe they'll bring that up at their next meeting with ea or whatever. IF they use it, it will not be to their advantage. It can be cracked/bypassed/whatever. Making it an inconvenience doesn't help anyone.

And this seems more like a general securom discussion than just regarding spore...
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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #200 on: May 08, 2008, 06:32:00 pm »
I've disagreed with the copy protection since the news first broke (signed the petition, even), but I haven't really thought to myself "Hmm, maybe I won't buy Spore after all" until now. I mean, come on, I've been waiting two years or so for this game, a game that I feel will be the only game I will ever need from now on. Could I really give up that kind of commitment?

I think the 10-day aspect is ridiculous, but not necessarily a deal-breaker. The three installs, though? That's pushing me that much closer to the "boycott" border. I had to uninstall and reinstall games all the time when I had a smaller hard drive. I'd have burned through three installs in less than a year. I'm sure there are people who must still follow the same pattern.

Anyway, I'm hoping EA will hurry up and release some official word already, so we can know the truth. And I'm hoping they make the right decision. I want this game. I don't want to abandon it.

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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #201 on: May 08, 2008, 06:39:07 pm »
Anyway, I'm hoping EA will hurry up and release some official word already, so we can know the truth. And I'm hoping they make the right decision. I want this game. I don't want to abandon it.
you'd think they would have released something by now, they can't be blind can they? When i google 'Spore' and set it to the results from the last 24 hours all of them talk about this, and there's a lot of hits. Where they going to use securom and now they don't know because it's causing so much disruption? if so they should at least tell us they don't know yet.  If they were never planning on using it than you'd think they would have denied it by now....

edit: searching Spore on google and setting it to only the last 24 hours is actually pretty funny: almost every hit is "Spore and Mass Effect" or "Mass Effect and Spore" and they all have "validation" after that with words like "require", "forces" and "self-disable".
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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #202 on: May 08, 2008, 07:21:01 pm »
treat others as you wish to be treated.

treat us like customers and we will buy your game, and be your customers.

treat your customers like pirates and we will just pirate your game so that we can enjoy it with out the annoyance of problems commonly caused by such practices.

choose wisely.

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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #203 on: May 08, 2008, 07:46:29 pm »
It's a cat/mouse game between developers and pirates . and this way , the security systems will become more and more intrusive. So it's actually the pirates who make it all bad for the normal user, not the gaming companies.

This is exactly what's wrong. I've linked it before and I'll link it again http://forums.galciv2.com/303512. Brad Wardell makes the point the pirates are not your customers, stop harming loyal paying customers to hunt down a bunch of thieves who wouldn't pay for your game ever. This is not a cat and mouse game, this is a crazy guy in a suit smashing up his own house with a sledgehammer just to get rid of a single cockroach. Stardock has proven that you don't need copy protection or anything of the sort to top the salescharts, anyone saying that without copy protection games won't sell is just spewing a load of bull. Though I can completely understand the sentiment of business people wanting to make sure people pay for their products, they are losing themselves in an imaginary war where it's them versus the great evil pirates that want to destroy business, and are losing sight of the basics of business, making sure you treat your customers well and that they are satisfied with your products.

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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #204 on: May 08, 2008, 07:52:27 pm »
Quote from: Werechicken
I've re-installed some of my games at least 20-30 times so there is no way I'm going to buy a game which will only let me install a game 3 times.

You can install it 20-30 times on your computer.  That's not the problem.  The problem is worse than that.  The problem is that you can install it on three different computers.  How it recognizes each computer is unknown, but it will more than likely send your system specs and other information of your computer to be stored on the secuRom servers.   This information needs to be clearly marked somewhere on the packaging, or at the very least inside it.  The customer needs to know exactly how this system works beyond a simple sticker that says, "Internet required to play."  They need to be made aware of what they are buying.  If not, I believe EA could be opening themselves up to class action lawsuits if this is truly as invasive as it seems to be. 

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I can guarantee that before spore is released in the US it will have already been cracked if EA goes through with this.
It might take longer than that to crack.  This isn't copy protection.  This is more like play protection.  It might give the hackers a bit more work to do.  I would say a month or more for the hackers to figure out how to circumvent it on Mass Effect without hindering the game.  And once they do, it might be easier to crack subsequent games that use this system.  At any rate, we'll see how it pans out way before Spore is out.

As for why EA hasn't come out and commented, it could be several reasons.  They might be looking into it, and carefully wording a response letter.  Or they might just not care because they have a contract to use SecuROM on so many games.  I'm leaning towards the latter. 

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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #205 on: May 08, 2008, 08:11:36 pm »
I have one vote and thats with my dollar so If this turns out to be true i simply will not buy the game. I'm fine with the steam way of CP but this goes to far. Ive been waiting for this game for years and have been coming to this site daily (even if I never post), and have been a hardcore PC gamer for years but this is the type of stuff that makes me want to just give up and stop upgrading my PC and just buy a PS3, or even, god forbid, become a pirate since they seem to want to treat me like one.

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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #206 on: May 08, 2008, 11:01:20 pm »
Hey, Maxis.
Or EA, or whoever the hell. I don't really care anymore.
You read these forums, eh? I've been here... what? Almost the whole run? Since GDC '05 anyway.

I told my friends about this one. And no, I didn't misrepresent the issue. They're not dumbasses.
I informed them of this rumor I'd heard. Being intelligent people, they did a bit of research themselves, or what little they could. Pretty much all there is is some tech guy from Bioware stating something along the lines of sales suicide.

So we all came very easily to an agreement: none of us will purchase the game whatsoever if this phone home BS is in there at all.
And hey, get this. We all have Steam. We all have cable internet, and we all have jobs. There really is no problem with maintaining a connection or making the purchase, at least none that we could foresee.
It's the principle of the matter really. You can't stop pirates, and this dicking around gives you enough bad press that they'll certainly want to try to crack it even more; they'll be famous after this fiasco, you idiots.
Then we consider all the folks who are going to go right ahead and pirate the game now out of spite. Well..


So go right ahead and treat the entire consumer base like potential criminals.
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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #207 on: May 08, 2008, 11:08:29 pm »
I'm really hoping we get a clear message from on high that Spore will not be using this particular flavor (10-day forever verification) of SecuRom soon. This matter is really catching steam in the media, and is going to blow up big in EA's... and Will Wright's... faces. This could be very bad for Spore.

They have got to be having meetings about this. The only way to stop this, to nip this anger in the bud, would be to make an official statement that a non-invasive form of protection will be used. There are other flavors of SecuRom they could use.

It would be so easy to regain everyone's good will. It would score points for EA. Even their marketing department would score points. Heck, they could even make a statement about how 'EA stands committed to their loyal customers, and opposes intrusive and privacy violating copy protection". Instant marketing win. Everyone saves face, and this turmoil just fades away. Spore is guaranteed a vast customer base. Just like that.

I wonder just how big this will get? So far, it's looking like it could be as big as the Sony debacle.

Come on, Spore team, Will, somebody... cut this rising problem off at the knees by reassuring the base with good news.





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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #208 on: May 08, 2008, 11:22:10 pm »
You guys are great..but in my opinion you guys really go overboard sometimes........


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Re: Ack...SecuROM....(WARNING: RUMOR)
« Reply #209 on: May 08, 2008, 11:32:21 pm »
Nah, bitching on a forum ain't overboard.
Now if a crowd of us were to find out where Will Wright lived and went there to throw bricks at his house, that might be considered overboard.

Besides, when would be a better time to express our discontent towards this stuff? After?
No no.
Nonono.


But really, don't think I'm sitting here all red-faced fuming mad or anything.
Just bein' vocal is all.
Don't think I'm not serious though, folks.

Hey, here's an idea I'm reading from another thread out there on Internet.
Mail Will Wright a check with a letter saying you pirated it.
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