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Re: (**The Final Theory**)
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2007, 09:19:43 pm »
Oh, and also, i'm sure the majority of people here will appreciate this site;
http://www.evolutionisimpossible.com/

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Re: (**The Final Theory**)
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2007, 05:29:29 am »
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Admittedly, I thought it was cute the way they took quotes from actual scientists out of context to make themselves look respectable less stupid.
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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2007, 06:39:08 pm »
Isn't reoccurring universes religious, in the sense that it has no physical evidence and requires faith, and therefore is a disqualified explanation? ??? If it is used in a theory, isn't it that one must replace it if the theory wants to survive the validity test? Anyone know of any proof other than the multiverse hypothesis? I can't find any. If anyone has, please post. thanks.

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Re: (**The Final Theory**)
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2007, 08:34:08 pm »
You people confuse yourselves too much. Why even bother with this? Why should it matter? WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE ANYWAYS!!!

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2007, 12:33:14 am »
Isn't reoccurring universes religious, in the sense that it has no physical evidence and requires faith, and therefore is a disqualified explanation? ??? If it is used in a theory, isn't it that one must replace it if the theory wants to survive the validity test? Anyone know of any proof other than the multiverse hypothesis? I can't find any. If anyone has, please post. thanks.

"Religious" in your usage of the term is misleading; you can draw the analogy but it isn't religious in the standard sense.

If you follow Flew's application of the falsification principle, then it might be tempting to describe a reoccurring universe as unfalsifiable and therefore nonsensical. However, it's certainly possible that this phenomenon could be described mathematically as a result of what we know of the physical laws of the universe. Alternatively, Swinburne argues that it could still make perfect sense to an objective observer. What we would consider to be nonsensical because you cannot falsify it may nevertheless still exist, but simply have no relevance for us.

And you're probably on the wrong track anyway. It's more than likely possible to solve the problems without invoking these unverifiable principles regardless (I'll leave this as an exercise for the actual physicists in the thread).

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2007, 03:28:36 pm »
Isn't reoccurring universes religious, in the sense that it has no physical evidence and requires faith, and therefore is a disqualified explanation? ??? If it is used in a theory, isn't it that one must replace it if the theory wants to survive the validity test? Anyone know of any proof other than the multiverse hypothesis? I can't find any. If anyone has, please post. thanks.

The multiverse theory and the observer-dependent theory are the two basic interpretations for quantum mechanics. They are known as Everettan and Copenhagen interpretations, respectively. They are both, so far, equally correct in predicting quantum phenomena, though they rely on different ways to explain quantum wave functions. The mathematics behind the interpretations is different, but a prediction in MWI should be explainable in Copenhagen. The way they describe quantum happenenings in relation to the observer also changes the way they are percieved, but I think that they are falsifiable. If we somehow branch into another universe, I believe that the Copenhagen interpretation would have a hard time explaining it.

That was kind of beating around the bush, but the multiverse has evidence. We do see its effects in quantum mechanics, just as we see Copenhagen's effects. It has a mathematical foundation, just as Copenhagen does. There are a few axioms that every theory needs, and MWI has more basic axioms than other interpretations, which leads partly to its prevalence. The only thing we need is evidence that can distinguish it from Copenhagen. That is entirely possible.

As for the last sentence, you want proof of what, again?

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Admittedly, I thought it was cute the way they took quotes from actual scientists out of context to make themselves look respectable less stupid.
I though it was cuter they "refuted" an argument e-mailed to them (concerning Earth as a thermodynamic open state) while completely neglecting more rigourous thermodynamic arguments, which must have been sent.


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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2007, 09:22:39 am »
What makes them sure we've stopped evolving?  :-\

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2007, 01:24:02 pm »
What makes them sure we've stopped evolving?  :-\

We practically have now, from now on any changes will all be selective. If the majority finds mutation A more aesthetically pleasing that mutation B (A being... nicer eyes or some crap, B being more arms or something) then the B's (or, air quotes, freaks) will die out.

We like out ice-cream cold and our people with 2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 arms, 2 breasts, 2 kidneys, 2 ovaries, 2 testis and 2 legs.

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2007, 02:34:54 am »
Actually a lot of recent studies have suggested that human evolution is progressing increasingly fast, not slowing or stopped.

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2007, 03:25:58 am »
Well until I see any major changes I'll stand by not much is happening.

If this is supposed to be accurate then they've neglected to remember that the strong nuclear force exists, Jesus Christ, these people are dumb.

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2007, 03:45:40 am »
Well until I see any major changes I'll stand by not much is happening.



EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2007, 06:20:07 am »
Well until I see any major changes I'll stand by not much is happening.



EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

It does in long run!

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2007, 11:58:22 am »
Well until I see any major changes I'll stand by not much is happening.

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EVOLUTION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

It does in long run!

You don't live in the long run.

And I'm increasingly doubting you even live in the same reality as the rest of us.

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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2007, 12:53:03 pm »
Why is this thread still alive? The people who made the book were idiots, end of story.


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Re: (**The Final Theory**) and other reads like it
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2007, 08:12:16 pm »
Why is this thread still alive? The people who made the book were idiots, end of story.

Because the idiots are still selling it and there's still advertisement for it, that's why.