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Re: British Politics
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2008, 12:56:56 pm »
I don't know if I'm supposed to be British to post in here, but, well, here goes. I want to know if anyone can explain the electoral system of Britain and the stances of it's parties to a foolish American like me?

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Re: British Politics
« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2008, 01:04:59 pm »
Probably the bloody Torys (hate them so much.)
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Re: British Politics
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2008, 01:08:39 pm »
So Brits.

Would you rather have the GOP in power in the US, or the Tories in power in the UK?

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Re: British Politics
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2008, 01:24:49 pm »
I don't know if I'm supposed to be British to post in here, but, well, here goes. I want to know if anyone can explain the electoral system of Britain and the stances of it's parties to a foolish American like me?

Well, I'm not well versed on the actual system but I can sum up the parties for you.


First up we have the Labour Party, the current incumbents:
They started out as a rather socialist left-wing party with strong ties to the unions, to the point of calling each other 'comrade'. However, they underwent a big reform in the arly 90s under Tony Blair and won the election by a landslide. Despite supposedly being socialist, at the moment their policies would put them somewhere a little right of centre on the British or European spectrum but pretty far left of centre under the American system.  Since they've undergone so much flux recently its honestly impossible to say where they stand on just about any issue. They're pretty pro-EU as well.
At the moment the leader of the Party and the Prime Minister is Gordon Brown, who is in the dog house for basically getting England into the current fincancial crisis when he was chancellor of the exchequer (In charge of the economy).

The Conservatives or 'Tories' are the opposition, and look set to win the next election:
Its also pretty much impossible to put a finger on exactly what their policies are at the moment since they're basically doing anything that will make them seem a better option than Labour, despite the fact they're basically indistinguishable at this point. They're essentially undergoing the same restructuring and facelift as Labour underwent in the 90s except they're shedding a stuffy out of touch image rather than a radical communist-sympathiser one. The only thing that really sets them apart from Labour at the moment is that they're more concerned with sovereignty and less likely to kowtow to the demands of the EU.
Under the British or European viewpoint they're right of centre, under the American system, left of centre (technically much further left than the Democrats)
Their current Leader is David Cameron, who was educated at Eton (a very snobby public school [private school, don't ask]) but desperately tries to ppear to be a man of the people.

The third Party are the Liberal Democrats:
The Lib Dems are unlikely to ever win an election and seem to be doomed to sit on the sidelines and restrict themselves to local politics. They've ALSO recently had to shed a stuffy image and bring in some young blood. Their policies are a bit... weird, but on the whole they're slightly more libertarian but economically conservative than the other two parties, which makes them popular with students.

Now, some general policies which all major parties share. It would be inconceivable for a party to win an election if it didn't hold these policies:

Pro National Health service: Any party that proposed the abolishment of state-sponsored healthcare would totally tank in the next election.
Anti-Death penalty: Apart from some very old people and some extremely radical bigots, nobody seriously supports capital punishment

and to answer brandon's question, I would choose the Tories over here over the Republicans in the States any day.
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Re: British Politics
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2008, 01:40:39 pm »
Honestly, I wouldn't wish the GOP on anyone.

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Re: British Politics
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2008, 01:50:47 pm »
GOP?

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Re: British Politics
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2008, 02:06:06 pm »
So when is your next election?

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Re: British Politics
« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2008, 02:29:12 pm »
So when is your next election?
On or before the 3rd June 2009, but they want to have it on the 4th June to coincide with supposed European Elections.

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Re: British Politics
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2008, 08:15:11 pm »
Here is a good primer on UK politics:  ;D

and here is a more detailed analysis:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbg6lwxrVDU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbg6lwxrVDU</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glsdB4_oDLs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glsdB4_oDLs</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC7uHyLa7S4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC7uHyLa7S4</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5AeEqlwFmk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5AeEqlwFmk</a>
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Re: British Politics
« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2008, 07:10:47 am »
So when is your next election?
On or before the 3rd June 2009, but they want to have it on the 4th June to coincide with supposed European Elections.

Let's be sure to have a thread about it and discuss the candidates so the rest of us can choose who we want too run your country.

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Re: British Politics
« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2008, 07:47:53 am »
Well, who DO you want to run our country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Brown
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_clegg

Since none of their policies affect how much tax you pay or whether your country will be dragged into illegal wars I don't know what basis you'll be choosing on.  ;)
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Re: British Politics
« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2008, 09:44:05 am »
So Brits.

Would you rather have the GOP in power in the US, or the Tories in power in the UK?

Well, I support tory, so I'd go for the second.

Tory are not the same as the republicans in the US. It's not like they're demonised (like in simpsons where they have HQ in the scary castle.) We save that for the BNP.

And there are differences of tax when you vote.

Personally, I like tory. They won't reduce tax, but they'll keep it at the same. Lib Dem and Labour want to raise it. Lib Dem by a lot. And also Labour are far too pro EU. And I just think tory cares more about Britishness.
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Re: British Politics
« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2008, 09:49:59 am »
The Lib Dems have actually vowed to lower taxes.

Apparently Clegg has some master plan.
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Re: British Politics
« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2008, 10:04:00 am »
The Lib Dems have actually vowed to lower taxes.

Apparently Clegg has some master plan.

Seriously? That doesn't sound very Lib Dem.

Then again, last I heard about them was before Clegg took over...
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Re: British Politics
« Reply #74 on: October 12, 2008, 10:08:50 am »
He's also in favour of interventionism and building trident missiles... I can't even tell where any of the parties stand any more  ???
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