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The new Xbox 360 thread!
« on: August 18, 2005, 09:03:25 am »
From what I read on the gamingsteve front page, the Xbox 360 looks like a steaming pile of Sith. Does the "no hard drive on the core" thing mean that you won't be able to download content to the hard drive? That's the whole point of the Xbox, to download new content with it and taunt those with a PS2 and/or GC. If they're not gonna use the hard drive like they did the old Xbox, there's really no point in getting a 360. Thoughts about this or anything else 360 related?



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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2005, 12:37:51 pm »
If there's no hard drive you can't really download anything because there's nothing to store it on. So if you get the Core system, I assume you're screwed.

Also note that the Playstation 3 is going to come out for the same price as the Xbox 360 (non-core version).

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2005, 01:48:57 pm »
I guess you will have to buy a memory card or something similar. But these havent been mentioned.
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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2005, 01:56:23 pm »
You can download new content, but since there is no hard drive in the core system developers aren't going to use it unless it's 100% necessary. Otherwise expect to use the good old memory card for all your saves!

One thing I just thought of is that you can also use USB cards for the Xbox 360, which would actually be a good solution since they're cheap and can hold huge amounts of data (I have a 1 GB card which cost around $70).

But seriously I know people in the gaming industry are seriously pissed at Microsoft for this extremely sleazy and obvious marketing tactic. Nobody is fooled by this "only $299 (for the piece of crap version)" marketing, and the people it will trick are just going to get angry with them after they have to shell out an extra $100 at the store.

I think this is going to seriously hurt Microsoft in the long run as nobody is going to trust them anyone when it comes to the Xbox 360.

Oh yeah, I also forgot to mention that the $399 doesn't come with Xbox Live Gold. So the "Xbox 360" will cost $399, Xbox Live Gold will cost $50, an extra wireless controller will be $40, and a single Xbox 360 will be $60 ... grand total of around $550 for the Xbox 360 this Xmas season!!!

Nice going Microsoft.
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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2005, 02:30:28 pm »
Looks like I'll be waiting a while before I get one.  :(

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2005, 07:35:42 pm »
I've never brought a console when they first come out, I always wait for at least two price drops.
Would super-sweet if we can use usb drives on the xbox 360! I have four external USB hard drives, a 60gb, a 40gb and a 20gb.

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2005, 07:44:24 pm »
Yeah, I'm gonna have to wait for it to drop below 200 for the not crappy version, or wait until my birthday if it drops to 300 by July.

So, Steve. What you're saying is that I won't be able to save games on the hard drive? That's about 80% of what the hard drive is for! Damn you Microsoft! Mark my words, the sky will blacken with the soot of one hundred million dead.

Isn't there some way for developers to save it to your hard drive first, and if there is none detected, it saves to a card? That's what I would do.

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2005, 05:42:27 am »
I don't really get it why everyone is against Microsoft's $299/$399 tactic. I mean, when you buy a new Playstation 2, what do you get? A playstation 2 with one controller and NO memory card (There might be other packages but the previous one exists) . IMO Microsoft are doing the same move. If you buy the 'Core' version you can upgrade it afterwards.
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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2005, 07:28:58 am »
The problem is that what they're trying to sell as the core version is only a tiny bit of what the 360 should be. It needs a hard drive, wireless controllers, and a remote control to even be considered.

The problem this puts forth is that anyone without a hard drive obviously won't be able to use it. The developers say, "Oh, crap. 0.001% of people with a 360 don't have a hard drive. Well, I guess we can't have the game save to the hard drive." Then people who do have hard drives have to go out and buy a memory card in order to save their game, even though they have 20 GBs of hard drive sitting in their 360.

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2005, 03:00:55 pm »
   My apologies for this being my first post, but there seems to be a fair amount of misinformation regarding the 360's hard drive. Not that I'm an authority, but I figured I might as well offer several sources which might alleviate some concerns

   First off is a game informer article (http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/1AB3EC02-5021-4D70-B466-C11538918174.htm) which deals with Bethesda's response to the two sku announcement. As one can see they neither have a concern toward the 360 core and still intend to use the hard drive "extensively." This doesn't dismiss Mr. Glicker's lowest common denominator but it does indeed prove that at least some developers will be using the hard drive, and not just for saving.

   As of several hours ago a live chat with J. Allard was concluded in which several questions were answered. Most of it is just regular PR ranting but there is some insight on the sku and hard drive debates.  It can be found here: http://www.major-nelson.com/blogcast/2005/jallardchat-8-21-05.txt

   Mr. Allard points out that the hard drive will be used for both game saving and caching, much like the original Xbox's hard drive. Unfortunately, those who are fooled by marketing devices and buy the core will be screwed if Mr. Allard is correct, as they'll need to shell out another hundred or more dollars to fully optimize the box. Supposedly the decision was made to further expand the gaming market by touching different groups but I think it's clear that Microsoft has a less moral ulterior objective in mind.
 
   Also unfortunate is the fact that the usb drive will be in a read only format, so one can transfer one's music, pictures, etc. but not use an external storage device. It should be noted Allard said it may change if they get enough feedback, but more than likely it's just a PR response.

   In the end it seems as though use of the hard drive beyond saving will be up to the developer, with a strong urge of ingenuity from Microsoft. This means that those of us who plan on purchasing the premium bundle will indeed benefit, albeit less than if the hard drive was standard. I'm not too worried about it myself. There are certainly going to be lazy developers but that doesn't mean that everyone will just ignore the hard drive such as Mr. Glicker is implying.

   As I was writing this a thought occurred to be about the developers aiming for the lowest common denominator. At launch is rumored that there will be an 85/15 split between the 360 and the 360 core. If that is the case wouldn't memory cards be much rarer than hard drives? If so, that would make the hard drive the most abundant storage source in the early market. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

   Again, my apologies for this being my first post and thank you for your time.
   

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2005, 06:43:12 pm »
That was both informative and extremely polite. Thank you for posting all that. The weird thing is that I believe Mr. Allard's entire first name is the letter J. I read it somewhere when they first came out with the specs for the 360. I dunno, I just thought that was amusing.

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2005, 09:39:49 pm »
From what I understand its just a simple fact of programming games to default save to what ever device is availble and if both a memory card and the hard drive then it gives you the option to save to one or the other.

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2005, 07:35:01 am »
From what I understand its just a simple fact of programming games to default save to what ever device is availble and if both a memory card and the hard drive then it gives you the option to save to one or the other.

Then, forgive me if I'm missing something, but what's the big deal about some xbox's not having a hard drive?

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2005, 05:54:40 pm »
Kind of actully my point although if you want it to be compatible with old xbox games it might be  good thing plus using custom tracks. Although I'm not even sure if the 360 will let you do that we shall see i suppose. Still having a huge amount of space to save your games is kind of a good thing.

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Re: The new Xbox 360 thread!
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2005, 11:58:27 pm »
yup, you can rip your cd tracks to the hard drive. just like the xbox. One of the many ways to listen to your music. :)