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Offline PatMan33

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2008, 11:25:39 am »
Dude... cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

What did you expect to see? Did you expect to see intelligent conversation because most of the people here are "smart"? Hey buddy, the average IQ on this forum might be higher than that of GameFAQs but the discussion is all the same. Gaming Steve is just like any other community, we aren't any better than anyone else and we have the same problems that they do. So either suck it up and come to grips with that fact of life or just stop coming here like you've been alluding to for a while now.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2008, 12:29:13 pm »
No tears shed on my part, hombre.

What I expected to see was more than one person post what I did earlier in this thread, then others to fall in line of understanding and then intelligent conversation to grow out of it to put my message board and others to shame with the depth of how you guys understand the issue at hand.

Then see Steve swing in this is Ban Hammer of Lightening to smite those that would post such a heinous comic.

Others would be appaulled, apologizes spread and further discussion and understanding that would shed a light to the rest of the internet, whose warmth we could all feel.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2008, 12:44:05 pm »
Going out of your way like that for a purpose so useless is beyond me.

Instead of attracting attention to yourself with an off the cuff comment just try and keep things civil.
Besides this whole conversation was and still is intelligent.
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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #78 on: April 21, 2008, 12:59:31 pm »
Going out of what way to do what?   ???

I'm not sure what you mean about drawing attention to myself.  My last post or that first post I put in this thread?

As for intelligent or not, I shouldn't judge.  It's just 98% of the thread seemed to be discussing something that wasn't the issue and then going further to make light of racism and the such.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #79 on: April 21, 2008, 01:07:50 pm »
They were discussing what they wanted to discuss and what they felt was important. Who are you to tell them to talk about something else? Nobody here reserves the right to do that.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2008, 01:11:43 pm »
Correct.

Everyone has their own opinions and there own right to post things in this thread.
Even making light of the main topic and poking fun at it is fine, you can't force people to just go straight away back onto the main point unless things are getting out of control; which is up to a mod or the poster of the topic to address.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #81 on: April 21, 2008, 01:25:22 pm »
You're both right.

I just felt that the topic was an important one in video gaming.  And when I came here the thread title alone set the entire discussion in the wrong direction.  Instead of discussing that which N'Gai Croal, Adamd Sessler, and others have brought up regarding this game, some conjured opinion was argued against instead that no one could really argue against or want to.

The game isn't racist.

Sooooo... I thought I'd inject what was the issue at hand in to the thread-- actually, I made it into its own thread because I wanted the message to stand on its own and not be included with what I feel is a lot of mislead discussion.  I wanted to start it fresh here to see if I could get folk to understand what was wrong with this game and continue from there.

But.. it got mashed with the rest and I think my message will just get smushed with stuff I don't believe like the game being racist n' stuff.

I'm just sayin'.... shoot...

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2008, 02:31:43 pm »
You know what? I kind of see where J-Caizer is coming from...at least from the point of view of why people might be upset by RE5. I appreciate the fact that you don't think the game is any more racist than RE4, where Leon was killing the Spaniard zombies. And I get what you're saying about context; the kind of violence you see in the game more closely resembles what's going on in Africa today as opposed to what's up in Eastern Europe, so I can see where more people might get a little upset. So people are offended by that, and yeah they're certainly valid feelings to have. I respect that and so should other people...you're right.

But hey, freedom of speech. Personally I'm offended by torture porn movies like Hostel and Saw...I think they're awful. But I'm not on IMDB ranting and raving and calling people primitive, barbarian dumbasses...

And as for the GS boards...Pat's right, we're a bunch of flaming idiots just like anybody else. But also, look at the first post in this thread. Somebody posted a link to an African-American blogger who was pissed about RE5 being racist. Hence the name of the thread and the comments people were leaving discussing why RE5 wasn't racist. Seriously, just examine the context of our statements. They might not be so ridiculous.

And back to the game...Capcom has released like one or two trailers showing like 15 seconds of gameplay. Nobody has ANY idea what the game is really about or why the natives are attacking the protagonist en masse. If you played the fourth one and watched the ending cut scenes, then you're probably thinking it has something to do with the parasite that made everybody crazy in that game. Or maybe it's something entirely different. Either way, you can rest assured there's something wrong with these people and that Capcom won't have you killing normal, regular African natives. It'll be chock full of the same scifi and fantasy themes that were in the other ones.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2008, 03:02:21 pm »
Oooohhhh.... yeah, see again, this is why I wanted my thread seperate from this one.  I guess I was reading the latest posts and just got kinda angry at people saying the reason people were upset about this game was that they thought it was racist.

I figured this was rekindled as a result of N'Gai Croal and Adam Sessler who said nothing of the sort.

I don't agree with that first blogger, but I it is important to note that the blogger's reaction isn't coming out of nowhere.

And I apologize for insulting the GS forum.  I just... yeah, expected the gaming elite and most intelligent of the intelligent who would already be articulating my points better than I ever could.  Instead... yeah... not so much.

It was kinda my fault for not seeing the first post in this thread, but I also again made another seperate thread to make sure what I had didn't have anything to do with "racist" talk.

I love RE games and hate that I'll probably be sitting this one out if the trailer is an indication of the final game.  If it's not, then all the better.  But as it stands yeah... this game so far.... whoo....  very uncool on Capcom's part.

As for torture porn, I'm in the same boat.  Think it's pretty bad stuff.  But my point is that if you or others say you're offended by it... I'm not going to step back and say it's not coming from anywhere.  And I'm not saying Capcom shouldn't make th--  wait, I am saying they shouldn't make this game.  The offensive portrayal after all the good and fun they've done in the past... it just doesn't need to be and I hope they don't or at least call in somebody to not paint it over with pretty colors, but sits down the development team, lets them know what their imagery evokes in people and....just figure out a better way to tell a RE story told in Africa.

Punching and shooting starving Africans just doesn't strike me as the fun I usually get with Capcom games.

It's just...... horribly uncomfortable.

Thanks for the reply and also thanks to the PM's I received from folk and keep on rockin'.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #84 on: April 21, 2008, 03:17:32 pm »
I think this is all a bit preemptive. I mean, we've seen very little footage of the game and we really don't know what the story is about. I really doubt that the Africans in the videos are just regular Africans. The Spaniards in RE4 appeared to be normal but were actually mind controlled by parasites, how do we know the same doesn't hold true here? I would be extremely surprised if the people you are killing aren't in some way not in control of their actions.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2008, 03:27:08 pm »
Actually since the not-zombies in the vid have more maneuverability and speed it's not eh t-virus for sure.
But it's tied in with the las plagas parasite.

Just to clarify.
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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2008, 04:25:49 pm »
You know what? I kind of see where J-Caizer is coming from...at least from the point of view of why people might be upset by RE5. I appreciate the fact that you don't think the game is any more racist than RE4, where Leon was killing the Spaniard zombies. And I get what you're saying about context; the kind of violence you see in the game more closely resembles what's going on in Africa today as opposed to what's up in Eastern Europe, so I can see where more people might get a little upset. So people are offended by that, and yeah they're certainly valid feelings to have. I respect that and so should other people...you're right.

I don't have any more to add on the topic of racism.
I'd just like to point out that Spain is about as far west in europe as you can get without being in either portugal or iceland  :P
Sam is basically right, he's just cranky.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #87 on: April 21, 2008, 05:33:29 pm »
Is the game officially set in Spain? Yeah der...I can't believe myself. It's just the setting more resembled like a Romania or Ukraine or something...but the principle is the same, I do believe.

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #88 on: April 21, 2008, 05:38:37 pm »
Is the game officially set in Spain? Yeah der...I can't believe myself. It's just the setting more resembled like a Romania or Ukraine or something...but the principle is the same, I do believe.
I don't think it was ever actually stated in the game but considering that the villagers were all speaking Spanish.....

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Re: Resident Evil 5 controversy
« Reply #89 on: July 28, 2008, 07:30:34 am »
Everything is going to be fine with this game. There will be no controversies at all. I discussed with a bunch of guys on http://biohaze.com/
Trust me, there won't be any racism, just like Yttrxium.
Tell me if I'm wrong about this. Just because you're black, doesn't mean you already know how to run from the cops. Yttrixium, you better watch American History X so you won't be a racist anymore.