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Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 15, 2007, 08:57:58 pm »
Now, let's not get hasty here. I never said anything about magic, I said supernatural. Ghosts fall under the category of supernatural, but most of the stories about them don't mention magic. So, I think that when the crazy supernatural thing happened, it simply reanimated the dead bodies and instilled them with the desire to eat human flesh. They're basically walking corpses controlled by a brain. Why? We don't know, just be thankful they have a weakness!

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 15, 2007, 08:49:05 pm »
Doesn't seem like it would work. After all, just because some crazy supernatural thing happens doesn't mean we get magical powers all of a sudden. Technology has always been the province of mankind, I suppose. So let's focus on how we're gonna get out of this deep trouble, doing what we can with what we've got.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 15, 2007, 07:35:32 pm »
Well the simple answer, for me at least, is that their origin is supernatural. We can sit here and point out holes in one virus/parasite explanation after another, or we could just figure that the cause of the living dead is beyond the comprehension of mankind. Saves us time and trouble.

So, BAM! Some crazy paranormal shift/rift crap happens and now we have walking, flesh-eating corpses all over the place. That's my suggestion. Worry less about why and how they're here, and more about what we're gonna do.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 15, 2007, 10:09:59 am »
Like I said, instead of focusing on why they are zombies, or how they can do what they can do, we should just decide on a list of traits and use that. After all, when you're being swarmed by them, who cares why they're up and eating people?

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 15, 2007, 09:54:37 am »
I still find the matter of decorating our homes with flesh-eating corpses to be unnerving at best. But since we're on the subject...

I'd say that as long as the zombie still has arms, legs, or an intact jaw, it could infect you. Even with just a jutting bone, you could be stabbed and infected. So, if you need to have that macabre zombie-nailed-to-a-wall ornament, be sure it's extremeties have been properly hacked off and disposed off. Just to be safe.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 15, 2007, 08:25:52 am »
What about circulation and breathing? do zombies' blood flow, and do they breath?

In most cases no. Their blood is coagulated and doesn't circulate, thus reducing the risk of being infected in melee combat, but not by a whole lot. As for breathing, same thing. The way I've always seen it is that their entire bodies are dead, like in Day of the Dead, and even upon rigorous scientific examination, there is no rational reason as to how, much less why, they are even capable of getting up and attacking us. Creepy.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 14, 2007, 08:30:10 pm »
Say I wanted a living zombie as a display. Could I chop off its arms, legs, put steel cable around its neck and tie it, then hang it up from the ceiling, putting it next to the wall so I could mount a display case next to it?

Or would I have to break/blow off its jaw too?

Despite the highly disturbing nature of your question, I have an answer to your home decorating problem.

If it's in a case, you're gold. But if there will be a way to get your fingers near it, by all means, hack that jaw off. For the children.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 14, 2007, 04:25:39 pm »
I prefer the Romero zombies myself. Now like Romero did, I think it would be best to never reveal the true nature of their origin, as that really isn't the important part. What is important is what they can do.

The Generic Zombie
-Possess human-level strength, though this reduces as their muscle mass deteriorates
-Extremely slow, taking only one step a second, and speed only reduces as they are injured and their bodies waste away
-Completely mindless, using no tactics aside from mobbing anything that they identify as prey
-Eat human flesh, though they will eat the flesh of anything they can catch
-Can discern humans from zombies, no matter what, and do not prey on each other
-Have an indeterminate life span, reaching a certain level of rot and remaining that way for an unknown period of time
-Feel no pain and are incapable of feeling emotion or remembering who they were in the past
-Can only be killed by brain trauma, but the head will remain alive if removed from the body and require a second killing blow to finish

That's my take on the zombie. I hope this helps.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 14, 2007, 07:43:49 am »
Wow, I can see it now. Zombies fighting sharks. So many fond memories of Zombi 2...

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 13, 2007, 07:08:06 pm »

I'm trying to figure out what that word could be. I think it might a typo, but you don't seem to be the typo type.

Things float more easily in salty water, though, don't they?

Well, I didn't see that coming. I can see why it was censored, but it was totally coincidental.

I'm not too clear on the effects of saline water on buoyancy, but there might be a correlation. I suppose if they could float, and sea predators abhorred them, then they could theoretically float in giant clumps across the ocean. Scary thought.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 13, 2007, 02:06:29 pm »

Problem: Human bodies float, until they start decomposing. And if a "non-magical" zombie is decomposing, it'll have a hard time moving.

True, which adds only another layer of problems to this theory. I think islands in sal****er areas would be okay, as seawater could probably rot the skin right off their bones. Unless you're pretty close to the shoreline, in which case they could still reach you with a little luck.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 13, 2007, 01:40:26 pm »
Can you pretend to be a zombie without them noticing you?

I suppose it would depend on their origin/sensory capabilities. If they're supernatural in origin, then I'd say that they could tell humans apart from zombies automatically, no matter what. If they came about in a different manner, I suppose it would depend mostly on smell. If they could smell out the living, which is doubtful, then you'd have no chance unless you could mask your scent. Hearing and sight, which are about average, might be able to discern humans from zombies from our heartbeat or if our movements are not in line with theirs.

Overall, I see the undead as sight-oriented predators during the day, and hearing-oriented predators during the night. I'd say that zombies would follow and attack people as long as they could see them, but would lose interest and wander away if visual or auditory contact was broken for a certain amount of time. The idea of a zombie eternally scratching at a door long after the person has died inside or fled from another exit is unrealistic. Given their low mental abilities and drive to consume, I'd think that they would wander around aimlessly most of the time, looking for food.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 13, 2007, 01:18:23 pm »
Since when can zombies do this? I've never seen proof.

And I think some of you are overestimating a zombie's intelligence.

Well, this ability was first demonstrated in any movies, but it was theorized in the Zombie Survival Guide and used as a plot device in World War Z. Because they don't need to breathe zombies can survive underwater with no problem. Second, since their nervous system is shut down, the pressure has no effect on them. However, in practice, I think this only works to a certain depth, after that, the water pressure should crush the body and render it effectively immobile.

Movies / Re: The Grindhouse; 2 Movies for the Price of One
« on: April 12, 2007, 09:01:11 pm »
I agree. The whole reason for seeing it is to get the double feature experience. Otherwise, I would've seen Planet Terror and just skipped Death Proof.

Now the Europeans, boy did Dimension and Troublemaker screw the pooch on that deal. They not only are blatantly milking them for money, they also seem to be insulting their intelligence.

Everything Else / Re: Zombie fighting tactics
« on: April 12, 2007, 08:58:12 pm »
To reference the Zombie Survival Guide, churches are one of many places to avoid. Because there's bound to be some spiritual upheaval associated with the rise of the undead, the churches will probably be crowded with praying people, at least some of whom will probably be infected. Once one or two keel over and reanimate, you could be facing a literal stampede, or, if the poor fools have barricaded themselves in, a tooth-and-nail struggle for survival against the zombies. Good luck.

Now, an abandoned church out in the rural areas, that'd be a pretty good base of operations. Nothing like an old cemetery to absolutely confound any zombies making an approach.

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