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Spore: General / Re: give your planets theme music
« on: May 04, 2006, 05:58:51 am »
To continue the WAY WAY WAY far off shot of music. Maybe the same dynamic way to create Tree, Building, Creatures and so on could be use to create sound and music? This edtior would of course be adapted to sound. As for fitting right music with right culture this could be done based on architecture and other factors. Check out Synaesthesia. Look especially on the Image on Booba and Kiki.

Spore: General / Re: Religion, items, and government...
« on: May 04, 2006, 04:26:04 am »
Well the problem is that a societies goals can not be used to describe a society. Most societies try to achieve happiness. Even a Thought control could be seen as a twisted search for happiness for where their is no desires their is no lack ether. Simples way to create a Thought control society would be to simply give the citizens drugs that are simple to manufacture and do minmum damage to is citizens. Is very easy when one read the list to think that Eudaimonic is paradise, Cybernetic is OK and Thought control is hell. But one should read a little more carefull what the text actually says. One will notes that all the social models both have flaws and addavantages. And taking  Thought control would not stop you from having democracy at the same time. (Even if one can question what type of democracies where a majority of the people is dope up on drugs all the time is.)

The last list you presented is correct. Of course is a straight copy from SMAC own in game list. It shows that more about the good and bad sides of all the societies.

to Protoavis: As you see from the list posted by jarnomiedema that in SMAC Cybernetic uses artificial intelligence for the micro management of societies as a hole. I know however that when the ideas of a Cybernetic was first started to surface it was not really about letting AI take control over executive rule. So you observation is correct as a hole but do not fit perfectly with the ideas of a Cybernetic societies in SMAC.

As for what society i would like to live in i think i have to say Cybernetic because it would probably give me most freedom. Something that i think can be hinders in Thought control society where my desires would be eliminated and Eudaimonic society where i would be seen as a renegade if i decided to do something I'm no naturally good at.

Well back to topic.

I actually hope that Spore will not go in to cultural detail where you choice how many gods you small sporeling worship. I think the idea that one instead build once culture with the tools and by once actions affects how the culture things is a lot better. If you wish to have a temple the build it. If you wish you sporeling to dance and have rituals then make them sensitive. Simple is probably the best. And what fun would it be if you sporeling just worship a number? If you set that you culture should have 3 gods but you would not see the difference why have that feature? And by having a Cultural worship building or smiler you could created any god or even any item to worship. It would be fun to see them worship a TV sation or maybe a gigant statue of a donut.  ;D

Spore: General / Re: Religion, items, and government...
« on: May 03, 2006, 07:03:21 pm »
Well you have to go to the root of what Cybernetics mean. And it is on many levels smiler to the technocratic movement.  Both believing that science will lead the way. But may the difference is that in a Cybernetics society computers actually the executive rule and not human as is often the case in Technocratic society. still the limit is blurry especially if we consider that some humans and machines can merge. Thier are also to a less extent diffrent goals in a Cybernetics and a Technocratic society.

Spore: General / Re: Minimum Requirements For Your Creature
« on: May 03, 2006, 04:43:21 pm »
I think their should be no artificial limit put on the player. Sure a creature blob creature would not be fun to play i would eventually die but that up to the player i think.

As for intelligent carnivorous plants. You could create a society of intelligent plants in Sim Earth. :D

And i hope that we will be able to create a creature with slithers.

Spore: General / Re: Religion, items, and government...
« on: May 03, 2006, 03:52:26 pm »
Future society represents advanced social engineering models, which can be used very late in the game after extensive research and much experience with social engineering.
- None (basic)
- Cybernetic (more and more implimentation of cybernetic parts)
- Eudaimonic (strifing for great potential and happiness)
- Thought control (completely control your population)
I think you describe Eudaimonic and Cybernetic a little wrong.

The Cybernetic society is base on the idea that AIs will do all the heavy governing and leting the citizens get as mush freedom and time as possible in that process. The citizens them self many or many not be Cybernetic augmented. It up to them.

Eudaimonic Strives for a idea society base that on the idea of the right man on the right job. What one should do is base on what one is skilled in. Is very mush a Utopian idea which also have the same shadows.

In some ways both Eudaimonic and Cybernetic societies are very alike. Both try to achieve as a efficient society at hole. I see problem with both. In Eudaimonic you are at risk of being a part of a machine wiles in Cybernetic you are at risk of being outside the machine.

Now back to the topic  ;)

I think that it would be best if once actions control's how once society evolves. I do not wish to have a simple menu where i can select what type of society i will have. This works for SMAC but that a diffrent type of game which concentrates on empire building at a large scale but spore is more on how to build a society and how it interracts with others.

Everything Else / Re: Who are you?
« on: May 03, 2006, 10:09:17 am »
I am Yokto and i found this site after getting interested in Spore. I'm very suprices that i did not find spore earlier being a fan of will wright and the other Sim games. Very good site and i think Steve is a very good at getting infomation about what is happening in gaming.

Sorry if my spelling and grammar suck. I have a mild form of dyslexia.

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