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Messages - $kelet0r

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Spore: General / Re: Computer-controlled wars?
« on: May 11, 2006, 08:03:37 am »
It would be a terrible shame if things like galactic wars and other events were not happening outside that player's influence in order to make the universe a real living one rather than one that merely responded to the player
it would be awesome to be a diplomatic referee in the middle of all that  ;)

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Spore: General / Re: terrain editor
« on: May 11, 2006, 02:35:51 am »
have you guys not watched the videos at all?  ???
It was all there - he was dragging land, creating it, colouring it, raising it, filling planets with water
there's probably more he didnt want to show as well

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Spore: General / Re: E3 2006 - (28 Images)(6 Videos)
« on: May 10, 2006, 01:23:22 pm »
Most of them are by now - just search for spore on youtube or visit a fansite

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Spore: General / Re: To E3 or not to E3?
« on: April 23, 2006, 01:53:16 pm »
Well if you're feeling generous - I call dibs on the ticket  ;D
Seriously, if you don't feel overly bound by the rules, and you decide not to go well you won't have to do much to get rid of it...

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Spore: General / Re: Expansion Packs You'd Like to See
« on: April 11, 2006, 10:50:29 am »
i'll be buying the core game only - nothing else (assuming that the game doesnt disappoint after all this)
if any game is good enough, then it doesnt need constant updates

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Spore: General / Re: Blah!
« on: April 11, 2006, 03:16:14 am »
or for duke nukem forever since the the last century  ;D

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Spore: General / Re: how deep is the civilization mode?
« on: April 05, 2006, 11:40:17 am »
Hmmmm
Complexity is the enemy of all release dates - don't wish for too much of it or you might just get it..................in 2009

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Spore: General / Re: Digital Distribution
« on: April 05, 2006, 05:44:06 am »
how about the people who have download limits? for example there's some european isps where you get like 20 national gigs and 1 itnernational gig ::)

plus,i play counter-strikethrough STEAM and i pretty much hate it.
why? you're constantly getting an improved game every week and steam and VAC mean cheating is very low especially compared to the pre Steam counterstrike 1.5 and earlier days...

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Spore: General / Re: A good advise
« on: April 04, 2006, 06:14:29 am »
Don't get your hype too high up with this game (In fact, all un-released games). You will start to think that the game will be awesome and that you're able to do anything, well, that's maybe right, but you will be so disappointed if it doesn't complete your list of things you would like the game to be like. The Sims 2 did this for me, and I've only played it 2 weeks or so since I get it 2 days after the release.  :(
but hype is very entertaining  ;)

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Spore: General / Re: the "lol, evolution. omg haxxor!!" thing
« on: April 03, 2006, 11:50:31 am »
...

PHOTOSHOPPED!!!!!

Of course it is. So?


Just pointing it out to the "dimmer" lot of the spore community.
dimmer meaning fabulously genius,s such as me

Yeah Sure.......You keep telling yourself that.......I'll just ring up the nice men in white coats that are going to take you away.  Thats a good dimmer, this way.  To the "calm zone".
but I want my teddy waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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Spore: General / Digital Distribution
« on: April 03, 2006, 10:33:19 am »
Would you be in favour of getting Spore through the EA downloader?
While it is still in its teething phase so far its trial with Battlefield 2 has been a very positive experience and a definite learning experience for EA with visible improvements
Personally I'd love to see it be available through digital distribution with official updates and patches available in seconds and no need for a hardcopy if you don't want one.
The Steam platform has been a great success for VALVe, why not for Maxis and Spore especially if they can link the player database through it  :)

Discuss

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Spore: General / Re: the "lol, evolution. omg haxxor!!" thing
« on: April 03, 2006, 09:49:55 am »
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spore+words= joke
stop stop you're killing me here ;D

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Spore: General / Re: Spore as educator or agenda?
« on: March 31, 2006, 11:32:08 am »
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Prove to me the existance of gravity


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Does the word Strawman mean anything to you?
actually i don't but it sounds like an insult which you've used to really set the tone in this discussion - nice work#

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Try addressing my real arguments. As in, each of them in turn.
You mean like this?
Your arguments can be summed up as
1. It's just a game
2. I'm scaremongering

Both of which are nonsense
1. Nothing is just one thing, a car is not just a machine, a newspaper is not just a news report - that may be there primary function but not their only purpose
2. So I'm scaremongering when I stand up to defend any potential threat to my democratic human rights and freedom of speech, association and belief?

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Oh yes, and you have to provide evidence that it's a realistic proposition.
You mean like this?
Do any of you know what the US senate is debating at the moment?
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=8729

Do you know who is being sued for $600 million right now?
http://www.gamers.com/index.php?run=news&news_id=5735

Videogaming is on trial right now like comics were in the 1950s. The comics lost the fight back then....

All of which I have already posted - respond to my arguments properly and I'll treat you like an equal - so far you've
1. insulted me
2. dismissed my arguments arrogantly
3. avoided the point by being ignorant of international politics
again nice work - you turned this thread into flamebait but I refuse to rise to it - debate my points reasonably like a man and I'll agree to disagree, otherwise walk away



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Spore: General / Re: Spore as educator or agenda?
« on: March 31, 2006, 11:20:57 am »
Oh but I have and I seem to have done it clearly and effectively

Your arguments can be summed up as
1. It's just a game
2. I'm scaremongering

Both of which are nonsense
1. Nothing is just one thing, a car is not just a machine, a newspaper is not just a news report - that may be there primary function but not their only purpose
2. So I'm scaremongering when I stand up to defend any potential threat to my democratic human rights and freedom of speech, association and belief?

And that's it - you haven't said anything else read this
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Posted by: Daxx
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I don't want this to turn into a flame war, but you are clearly a nutjob.

Quote from: $kelet0r on Today at 04:08:02 AM
harsh and not fair at all

Completely fair, given my assessment of the idea.

Quote from: $kelet0r on Today at 04:08:02 AM
this is not conspiracy theory bull****. I don't go around promoting 911 theories or debunking the moon landing
I am making a very reasonable point - that the first time a videogame is being made that truly panders to a world ideology not just in the US exclusively. Wonderful though it may be - this game is not science or realistic in any way but that won't matter when it is being used to push fiction as fact - there is a very fine line between the two.

It's not a reasonable point at all. You seem to be asserting that this game will be used to push an ideology. You also claim that a game, a game mind you, is fictional. That's something we can agree on. Fictional. There is some scientific basis to the game in its protrayal of the evolutionary process, but ultimately it is a game, and therefore fictional. Is Age of Empires historically factual? No, and I don't see you up in arms about our children being taught bad history. The game may be fictional, but it has a grounding in science. It's like Civilisation. Or would you rather suggest that that game invalidates history, anthropology and science as well?

Quote from: $kelet0r on Today at 04:08:02 AM
The scientific community can't do just the same to promote evolution - the game is not science nor does it portray anything factual or even theoritically reputable
In fact it flys in the face of everything modern science holds dear.

Why not? The game has a scientific basis. To claim otherwise is absurd.

Quote from: $kelet0r on Today at 04:08:02 AM
Dismissing the power of such a potent game, of such a potentially powerful media is unbelievably naive

I think you overestimate it. It's a game. You're still trying to push this as if it were actually capable of doing what you claim it can do.

Quote from: $kelet0r on Today at 04:08:02 AM
Your argument that it is a liberal 'wet dream' balances it out is bull**** - unless you think lall iberals think that playing computer games is a great idea

This does not even address my argument.

Quote from: $kelet0r on Today at 04:08:02 AM
this is not scare-mongering - argue me wrong if I am

Fine, have it your way. I believe you are suggesting that this one game will lead to the corruption of scientific values across the whole world. You are suggesting that a small interest group in an insignificant country will use this to collapse the teaching of science as we know it. And I quote, from your own post: "Spore can be used to push an educational agenda which feeds into a cultural and political ideology That ideology does not include the words evolution, science or secularity..." This is a conspiricy theory. There is no evidence to back this up whatsoever, and I would like you to produce it before making such claims. As such, this is scare-mongering.

What I have posted are my CONCERNS about the FUTURE - how on earth could I pull out evidence???


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I think you overestimate how much influence the US religious groups have on the rest of the world.
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Only in the US could people get worried about this
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You are suggesting that a small interest group in an insignificant country will use this to collapse the teaching of science as we know it.
Does the word naive mean anything to you Daxx

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Spore: General / Re: Spore as educator or agenda?
« on: March 31, 2006, 11:07:17 am »
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Ha! Because talk on this forum doesn't revolve around biology and evolution. Because the game won't demonstrate these things in action, and isn't a simulation of these things. Not only this, but aside from learning from the game itself a child is likely to be inspired to study the subject further, maybe in school, maybe from books, maybe from the internet.
that only disproves your pint Daxx - the forums are completely removed from the actual game and are an area for learning or discussion
Don't make it personal Daxx - it's very poor forum etiquette
comments like 'I don't want this to turn into a flame war, but you are clearly a nutjob.' are hardly constructive - in stricter forums they would equal a ban

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