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Everything Else / Re: Improving Our World
« on: June 25, 2008, 06:03:34 pm »
Isn't the US capitalistic and communistic? We take care of our lowly through social programs, but allow open markets. In a 100% capitalist system like China (of all nations) is becoming, the lowly are abandoned, and in a 100% socialist system, the rich are robed from to take care of the poor.

Also, why do you assume a dictator has to remove dissenting voices?

I believe there is a difference between Communism and Socialism, Correct me if I'm not right.

And Washington was not a dictator, in his own words:

"I had rather be in my grave than in my present situation, I had rather be on my farm than be emperor of the world; and yet they charge me with wanting to be a king."

Everything Else / Re: Power plants that could run on Tornados
« on: June 25, 2008, 01:19:43 pm »
Intresting, a Tornado generating power.  I also heard if you harvest the power of a hurricane you can power the USA for over half a year and about 2 on average I think are formed.

Everything Else / Re: Improving Our World
« on: June 25, 2008, 01:14:25 pm »
Yes? and more then half the senators are bought by one cause or another.

Democracy is just a roadblock in the inevitable waters of corruption. At least with an all powerful leader, you don't need money to get elected and therefor don't need to be bought.

Sure you get crazies, but every government inevitably gets crazies at one point or another.

We might as well build an incorruptible supercomputer to be our king.

With a Democracy, the Crazies power is limited.  And before you continue A supercomputer can not possiblity rule humanity, a general rule of a thumb is that  a computer is no smarter than its creater.  Besides what if it decides to solve Gobal Warming, energy crisis, Overpopulation, Wars and any other problem you can name by exterminating billions of humans?

Everything Else / Re: Improving Our World
« on: June 22, 2008, 08:01:55 pm »
well yea, but the Romans had a way to stop that. The emperor's children were disciplined on Roman culture and way to rule, vigirously trained for the empire.

Of course, once the lead pipes got to them they all went bat **** insane, but we don't have lead pipes, so we would be better.

The Roman Empire still fell and to who the Romans believed to be Barbarians.  Not only that, but there have been countless acts of geneocided.  Also between 238 A.D. and 268 A.D. a grand total of 29 Emperors were killed, talk about being Politicaly unstable.

Everything Else / Re: The Random QUOTE Bonanza!
« on: June 21, 2008, 07:44:01 pm »
The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving on.

-Ulysses S. Grant

Everything Else / Re: The Random QUOTE Bonanza!
« on: June 19, 2008, 07:33:11 pm »
You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! ... You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical and determined people on earth right at your doors!

-William Tecumseh Sherman

Everything Else / Re: The Random QUOTE Bonanza!
« on: June 16, 2008, 12:53:04 pm »
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it.

-Thomas Jefferson

Everything Else / Re: Gun Control. Why?
« on: June 13, 2008, 06:09:55 pm »
I'm against gun control just because in any truly free society, the people should always be able to change the government. Some governments don't allow themselves to be changed, and it takes a revolution to change them. That's why it's important to let people have guns.

I agree with this statement.  The United States Constitution was created as a result of one revolution.  Not the one againest Great Britian, but because of one led by Daniel Shays that helped expose the weakness of the Articles of Confederation forcing people to gather to fix it which led to the Constitutional Convention and the Constitution.  Until Shay's Rebellion very few of the states tried to fix the problems of a weak central Government, but once it occured the problem could not be ignored.

Everything Else / Re: The Internet will End in 2012
« on: June 13, 2008, 05:56:51 pm »
I just realized it's Friday the 13th...

Wonder if that has any significance to todays news and other events.
Just wanted to bring that up.

No bad luck here.

His Campaign can be found on this page for more info Clockwerk.
And yes, more than just raise taxes, just slightly anyway.

The Government rakes in trillions in taxes, why do they need more?

Yeah, but I'm IN the USA, so my First Amendment Rights still apply.

The internet is not the USA, it is a international infomation highway.

Is Obama really going to do anything other than raise taxes?

Everything Else / Re: Political Compass
« on: May 19, 2008, 04:19:15 pm »
From Brandon's test:

You are a

Social Liberal
(61% permissive)

and an...

Economic Moderate
(43% permissive)

You are best described as a:


And from the main test Economic

Left/Right: -0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97


Now for an overused thought :
A blowjob is enough controversy to get the ball rolling for one president to get impeached.
How is it that Bush can pull off so much garbage and still be unwavering in his position, and have people chanting "stay the course", "lets give him more time before we make judgements" and "bush is a great man"?

The reason that Clinton got so much hate for that scandal was because of four things.
1: The president is supposed to be one of the most moral man in this country (and by moral, I mean socially moral, not politically moral).
2: His enemies (I'm not naming names) wanted a reason to defame and torch the man alive and as such used the opportunity to burn him at the stake.
3: Republicans held majority rule of congress at the time and as such an affair of this type probably infuriated most bible-belt conservatives in congress.
4: The general public generally responds more to events that they have experienced themselves rather than to events that only partly concern them (I.E. People respond more to events of a sexual/criminal nature than a political nature).

These are the main reasons for why I believe Clinton got such a bad rap. But what infuriates me about Bush is that fact that he has applauded and endorsed warrentless wiretapping. I mean come on! The mans endorsing a program to spy into the affairs of American citizens, all for the sake of national security! Wasn't it Benjamin Frankling who said that "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"? I mean my god, the mans opening the door for others to use "national security" as an excuse in plenty of political situations. The assassination of a sovereign president? National security. The preemptive invasion of a politically valuable country? National security. The take over and pression of the press, the economy, and the common man! NATIONAL BLOODY SECURITY!!! But, that is also just my two cents so if you want to denounce or deconstruct my statement thats fine by me! Go ahead. You still won't change my mind.

Abraham Lincoln did the same thing by using his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspending the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.  All too for the sake of National Security.  And yet we consider him a hero and Bush a Villian despite the fact they were both doing the basicly the same things.

Of course I do consider what Bush is doing to easily be a vilolation of people's Liberties, but then we must ask ourselves that if Lincoln was doing the same things should he consider him as bad as Bush?  Lincoln "frees" the slaves and Bush "frees" the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm not trying to denounce or deconstruct anybodies statements this is just something intresting that I thought about and want people's view on.

Yokto: Yeah I heard of what King Leopold II did, horrible and all for the sake of some rubber. I'm just saying that because of Communism around 60 or so million people died.  Let's just say Extremism of any ideology kills.

Who cares about being disrepectable to communists?

Being a communist doesn't make someone inherantly bad any more than being a capitalist, an anarchist or a rapist monarchist does.

Doesn't history usually get a clearer, more level-headed view of events as time passes? I disagree just as strongly with TTT as you do, but I also think you're able to come up with a better argument than this one.  ;)

It's a fair cop.
I suspect he was trolling anyway, if so, looks like it worked.  :-[

No, but almost all Communism governments wind up killing thousands of people and they simply do not work.

Anti-War protests and opposion to the Vietnam war were pretty much the reason why it ended.

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