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Title: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 24, 2007, 04:57:57 pm
(http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/banners/sagan4.jpg)

Sagan 4

Sagan 4 has been around for awhile on the Gaming Steve forum. But we finally decided to make our own website for it. Sagan 4 is an alien ecosystem project where you create each species of the plant one generation at a time. If you want to join the project or just take a look visit our forum.

Sagan 4 Forum
http://sagan4.com/

Also take a look at our complete and organized list of species on Spore Wiki. Complete with hyperlink navigation through the generations and biomes.

Spore Wiki - Sagan 4
http://www.sporewiki.com/Sagan_4

Hope to have ya join us! :D

Disclaimer: Is is in no way trying to get you to leave this forum. This is only tying to add another forum to your list to visit ;)

Note: I know it originated here but i am adverting this on other spore websites that have sessions for other spore websites.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Mr Man on April 25, 2007, 05:37:12 am
Im a little confused as to what you do. Shall I just draw up a creature from my head post it and see if it fits in, or am I supposed to find a pre existing creature on that planet to draw?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 25, 2007, 05:45:19 am
Im a little confused as to what you do. Shall I just draw up a creature from my head post it and see if it fits in, or am I supposed to find a pre existing creature on that planet to draw?

Look through the preexisting features following the rules and stuff. Go look in the website and please post future questions there. It only takes a sec to register. Specifically the thread called "Do you want to be part of the Sagan 4 Team?"
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: a14gt on April 25, 2007, 12:12:23 pm
hmm

well i can draw a bit, but i'm not exactly a bio Wiz so what,is there a BS  checker i can talk to?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Kcronos on April 25, 2007, 01:56:08 pm
I'll start checking up on it once a species reaches sentience.  Thats when stuff becomes interesting.  Maybe you should make seperate projects for Sagan I II and III for the space farers to visit later...
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Kratok on April 25, 2007, 03:15:03 pm
I'll start checking up on it once a species reaches sentience.  Thats when stuff becomes interesting.  Maybe you should make seperate projects for Sagan I II and III for the space farers to visit later...
You have no idea what your talking about Kcronos, and there is no other sagans.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: a14gt on April 25, 2007, 03:25:26 pm
i thought sagen was the sun and that was the fourth planet from it like earth is sol III. so i figure there are at least three other sagens...right?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 25, 2007, 04:26:30 pm
Update:

A lot has happened in the last few days. We got 3 new members, all the guest artists also became members and we got 10 new species! (see below).

Generation 55
http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=126&mforum=sagan4#126

If you wish to join please register and submit a test creature to the test thread found in "Sagan 4 General".
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 25, 2007, 04:28:26 pm
i thought sagen was the sun and that was the fourth planet from it like earth is sol III. so i figure there are at least three other sagens...right?


Yes there are 3 other inner planets to the home star, Sagan.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Kcronos on April 25, 2007, 07:33:43 pm
I do realize that you have to fill the biomes in first, but there will eventually be sentience, right?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 25, 2007, 11:53:14 pm
Update:

This are going very fast we just finished Gen 56 going on 57. Plus we got another new team member and a bunch more done. See all the new species and feel free to comment in the forum.

Generation 56
http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=187&mforum=sagan4#187

If you wish to join please register and submit a test creature to the test thread found in "Sagan 4 General".
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 26, 2007, 07:23:24 pm
Update:

This are going very VERY fast!! We just finished Gen 57 going on 58! I think we will be up to one gen a day just like the old days!

Generation 57
http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=187&mforum=sagan4#187

If you wish to join please register and submit a test creature to the test thread found in "Sagan 4 General".
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: a14gt on April 27, 2007, 03:36:09 pm
i can't draw a pic a day
i joined but still a bit shaky about whether to draw.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 27, 2007, 04:14:18 pm
i can't draw a pic a day
i joined but still a bit shaky about whether to draw.

You still have to submit a test picture in the testing thread on the forum.

Although i know ya can draw still have to see if you can handle the biology part of sagan.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Russ1 on April 28, 2007, 05:15:31 am
Don't be shy about drawing either. I was at first but I think anyone who is interested should try out at the site. It seems to be in a 'Golden Age'  at the moment, following a scary moment where it seemed all was lost. ;D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 28, 2007, 05:27:43 am
Update:

He is right we are going so fast and so many good ideas. New blood is revitalizing the project! So come on in and see or even try one yourself in the test thread.

Generation 58
http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=22&mforum=sagan4

If you wish to join please register and submit a test creature to the test thread found in "Sagan 4 General".
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: a14gt on April 28, 2007, 04:39:35 pm
yea me=no biology
i need a BS checker :/
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 28, 2007, 08:54:18 pm
yea me=no biology
i need a BS checker :/

Perhaps you could work with some our biology people. Some cannot draw very well but are great at art. Perhaps you could offer your skills to them.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Russ1 on April 29, 2007, 04:22:32 am
Yeah, I'm sure there will be someone who would be more than happy to team up with you.  ;)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 30, 2007, 01:49:15 am
Update: We are entering week 10 ! Woot! generation 62!!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Oviraptor on May 03, 2007, 07:41:30 am
Major update here.

We are pleased to present to you, Sagan4.com (http://sagan4.com)!

It has a front page and an all new forum.

If you are a member of the old Sagan 4 forum, please see this post: http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=46&mforum=sagan4 (http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=46&mforum=sagan4) on the Old Sagan 4 forum.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on May 06, 2007, 03:04:10 am
We have a bunch of new stuff! So visit and see :D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Artists Wanted!
Post by: Hydromancerx on May 24, 2007, 03:26:04 am
We are not dead yet! We are just about to start week 11 generation 69!

Check out some of the cool creature from week 10.

Sagan 4 Forum
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php

Sagan 4 Wiki
http://www.sporewiki.com/Sagan_4
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Not Dead Yet!
Post by: raikitsune on May 24, 2007, 11:31:09 am
great project!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Not Dead Yet!
Post by: Hydromancerx on May 30, 2007, 02:10:04 am
We are already up to gen 72!

If you want to try to join or just want to see what we have been up to plz come on down!

Sagan 4 Forum
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php

Sagan 4 Wiki
http://www.sporewiki.com/Sagan_4

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/clayren/Marshart.jpg)
(picture by clayren)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Not Dead Yet!
Post by: Hydromancerx on May 31, 2007, 05:12:10 pm
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/clayren/poster2.jpg)
(picture by clayren)

Sagan 4 Forum
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php

Sagan 4 Wiki
http://www.sporewiki.com/Sagan_4

Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Haseri on June 03, 2007, 01:31:38 pm
What will happen if and when a creture reaches sentience? I understand there will be some evoloution among the lesser cretures, but will you use other people for hut and tool designing?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 03, 2007, 05:14:09 pm
What will happen if and when a creture reaches sentience? I understand there will be some evoloution among the lesser cretures, but will you use other people for hut and tool designing?

We are not planning on having it ever reach it. Drake 3 tried it and it failed. So we are keeping our planet strictly a wildlife planet. Also its a lot more fun :D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 01, 2007, 04:51:43 am
We have a bunch of new stuff! Even our own wiki! :D Check us out :D

(http://www.sporewiki.com/images/0/06/Line_hydro.jpg)

Ostomoflagellata Super-Kingdom has both Floranimalia (Plents) and Ukfauna
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Brandonazz on July 01, 2007, 07:00:07 am
Whoa  :o
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Slartibartfast on July 01, 2007, 09:49:55 am
Sometimes I forget there are people that don't know.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Oviraptor on July 01, 2007, 11:53:02 am
Sagan 4 now has it's own Wiki! It is still under construction, but there is already a ton of neat new stuff.

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/9/96/WikiBanner.png) (http://wiki.sagan4.com/)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 02, 2007, 01:35:54 am
Whoa  :o

If ya like that one you might like this as well.

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/3/3e/Line_yokto.jpg)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Dinosaurian on July 02, 2007, 08:34:39 am
Sagan 4 has it's own Wiki?How cool is that!? 8)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Flisch on July 08, 2007, 03:40:53 pm
Sagan 4 has now its own article on Wikipedia! Thanks, Lualmoba for uploading.  :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_4
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 08, 2007, 03:44:52 pm
Thanks Lualmoba :D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Lualmoba on July 08, 2007, 03:51:25 pm
Flisch was the one who wrote all that. I just uploaded it for him.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 08, 2007, 04:04:23 pm
Well thank you Flisch too then :D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 09, 2007, 05:05:24 am
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/th_sagan4plentsvsaucebacks.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/?action=view&current=sagan4plentsvsaucebacks.flv)

I made another video with Plents vs. Saucebacks.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Oviraptor on July 09, 2007, 03:07:31 pm
Photobucket is down for maintenance... I guess I'll have to wait a bit to see it.

Working again. You might want to put up a language advisory.

Video is cool, though.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 17, 2007, 02:11:14 am
Here is another one!

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/c/c4/Line_ovi.jpg)

We are still accepting new members if you want to join.

Do you want to become a Sagan 4 Team member?
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=19.0
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Ichthyostega on July 20, 2007, 11:26:53 pm
(http://www.freewebs.com/ichthyostegamedia/Tusked Beakworm.png)

Tusked Beakworm

(http://www.freewebs.com/ichthyostegamedia/Air Sifter Plent.png)

Air Sifter Plent
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 24, 2007, 04:13:10 pm
And another one...

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/d/dd/Line_huggs.jpg)

Visit Sagan 4 :D

http://sagan4.com/
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Blarg on July 24, 2007, 07:17:42 pm
Come join Sagan...

We have cookies!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Ichthyostega on August 05, 2007, 05:06:42 pm
Some more cool creatures:

(http://www.freewebs.com/ichthyostegamedia/Mega crab.png)
Rust Manticrab

(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4492/parasiticshrewqz1.png)
Soriparasite
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on August 07, 2007, 01:10:41 am
Come see the many varieties of Urchips!

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/Porcuchip.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/SpiralUrchip.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/antlerurchip.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/brainurchip.jpg)

Sagan 4
http://sagan4.com/
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Flisch on August 21, 2007, 03:53:27 pm
Sagan 4 - The place where animal and plant kingdoms intersect.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c390/Flisch/85Treeworm-5.jpg)

Is it a plant or an animal?

www.sagan4.com


advertising is fun >.>
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Yannick on August 22, 2007, 03:05:26 pm
See Mason our moon!
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8606/masongu5.jpg
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: gec05 on August 22, 2007, 03:33:25 pm
You need to show me where you got those textures Yannick! ;D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Yannick on August 22, 2007, 03:42:19 pm
Heaven. :-p


I find them on deviantart.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 14, 2007, 07:17:45 pm
Come see the many weird species of Sagan 4!

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/tasertongue.jpg)

(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r101/Rhodix/Sagan%204/Spolimnia.png)

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l27/Oviraptor85/Sagan%204/Vermisveneniferacutisoccultatoris.png)

Sagan 4
http://sagan4.com/

Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Kcronos on September 19, 2007, 08:08:26 pm
How many creatures in total does Sagan have?


How many years have passed on Sagan IV?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 19, 2007, 11:29:08 pm
How many creatures in total does Sagan have?

804 at the moment.

How many years have passed on Sagan IV?

487.5 Million Years since life arrived on the planet. However Sagan 4 has been around 4,000 Billion Years before that.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 27, 2007, 02:39:42 am
Come join us and see the amazing new creatures :D

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/d/de/Swamp_Fisher.png)

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/c/cd/Dulcidust_Bubblehorn.png)

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/1/12/Bouncer_Plent.jpg)

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/b/b0/Ash_Clawjumper.jpg)

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff19/Neoskel/Wadjetsaurgen90490x430.jpg)

These are just some of the many new species at Sagan 4. We want you to join in too! So come on an visit Sagan4.com
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Infernal on September 27, 2007, 05:06:38 pm
Thank you for the invite Hydro, as well as the compliment

Im rather busy at the moment, and don't believe I can dedicate myself to the project as of now.  I have classes as well as trying to draw and update my own thread.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 27, 2007, 06:07:08 pm
Well its still post as often as you can so no rush for you to pump them out. The offer is still open when you have time.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: LadyM on October 12, 2007, 08:10:27 am
Sagan 4 website has a new look! Go check it out! Sagan 4 (http://sagan4.com/)

Congrats to Flisch, the winner in our Diorama contest. See his picture on the new website. :)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: The Time Traveller on October 12, 2007, 08:13:30 pm
What should I do if I'm a terrible artist?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Snake on October 12, 2007, 08:16:59 pm
They only accept higher-caliber artists.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Blarg on October 12, 2007, 08:53:13 pm
Yeah. Sorry, HW, Hydro only accept people with... *ahem* good art. No offense, but it's true.

On the plus side, you can always come in and make suggestions!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: gec05 on October 12, 2007, 08:54:47 pm
Hydro asks me to join a lot, but I don't want to. :P
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Yannick on October 13, 2007, 10:08:26 am
They only accept higher-caliber artists.
That's a lie.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 26, 2008, 12:48:32 am
Its been awhile since I have promoted Sagan 4. But now with the GRB disaster over it would be great to have some new blood to populate the planet while there is still open space. So if you want to join please visit our forums.

Sagan 4
http://sagan4.com/

Anywho here is some eye candy for you guys! :D

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/c/c5/Diorama014.png)
Bone Swamp
By Rhodix

Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Axelgear on February 05, 2008, 05:46:26 am
The site, as they say, is busted.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Slartibartfast on February 05, 2008, 06:55:26 am
It's working now.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/buttblaster.jpg)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Axelgear on February 05, 2008, 07:10:15 am
.... What in the name of the Great Green Arkleseizure is THAT!?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on February 06, 2008, 01:32:19 am
.... What in the name of the Great Green Arkleseizure is THAT!?

A Buttblaster (http://wiki.sagan4.com/index.php?title=Buttblaster). :D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - Come Join Us!
Post by: Hydromancerx on February 26, 2008, 03:45:44 am
Its been awhile since I have promoted Sagan 4. It would be great to have some new blood. So if you want to join please visit our forums.

Sagan 4
http://sagan4.com/

Anywho here is some eye candy for you guys! :D

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/6/6c/Rudderhorn.jpg)
Ruddehorn

(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/e/e7/Thistle_Cannon.jpg)
Thistle Cannon

Title: Sagan 4 Project - CLOSED
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 01, 2008, 02:28:01 am
Due to the forum slowness and the forum crash last night, LadyM and I have decided to end Sagan 4. All forum information has been lost (however Sagan 4 wiki was saved). We can no longer support the project and we must close down the site. I am sorry for this unexpected end for Sagan 4.   :'(

Sagan 4 is Closed
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=1989.0
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - CLOSED :(
Post by: Huckbuck on April 01, 2008, 06:39:12 am
No!  :'(

APRIL HOAX!c  ; )
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - CLOSED :(
Post by: Yannick on April 01, 2008, 06:42:31 am
*looks at date*


Fail!
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p187/Hol_GER/omg.jpg)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - CLOSED :(
Post by: gec05 on April 01, 2008, 07:55:18 am
You could have put more effort into that joke Hydro. ;)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - CLOSED :(
Post by: Yannick on April 01, 2008, 01:40:11 pm
Unfortunately, this is true.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - CLOSED :(
Post by: Flisch on April 01, 2008, 01:45:55 pm
Unfortunately, this is true.
What makes you think so?
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 01, 2008, 08:40:41 pm
APRIL FOOLS!!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Huckbuck on April 01, 2008, 10:33:03 pm
I never believed this. Just mark my post with the cursor and see the hidden text! :D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 10, 2008, 04:09:31 am
Awesome fanart from Ramul.  ;D

(http://www.dragon-tear.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10485)
A Vegehopper descendant.

(http://www.dragon-tear.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10498)
An Azzy chewing on a Batworm
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Yuu on April 10, 2008, 05:51:19 am
Man, that second artwork is brimming with awesome! It's fur is so detailed.

Two thumbs up.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Hydromancerx on May 01, 2008, 01:53:34 pm
(http://wiki.sagan4.com/images/e/eb/Harpoon_Brownble.jpg)

Please visit Sagan 4! If you want to join please visit our forums.

Sagan 4
http://sagan4.com/
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Doomsday on May 01, 2008, 04:21:44 pm
Is there anything I can do to help with the damn server? It seems to be going all wonky and being slow and what not. Pages won't even load for me at times. I'm currently waiting for it to start working again so I can finish posting some ideas.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Hydromancerx on May 01, 2008, 10:43:58 pm
Is there anything I can do to help with the damn server? It seems to be going all wonky and being slow and what not. Pages won't even load for me at times. I'm currently waiting for it to start working again so I can finish posting some ideas.

When LadyM gets back from vacation she plans on doing something about it. She would have done it before but she did not want to leave us with a server that might totally crash if it did not work out.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 01, 2008, 12:09:38 am
Diorama Contest #3
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=2518.0

Please vote for which you think is the best diorama!!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - NEW Diorama Contest Voting!!
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 03, 2008, 12:46:24 am
Keep voting you guys!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - NEW Diorama Contest Voting!!
Post by: LadyM on June 05, 2008, 06:04:33 am
In case anyone wants to know, the Sagan forum is on a new server and is fast with no lag.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - NEW Diorama Contest Voting!!
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 08, 2008, 06:07:08 pm
Only a few more hours to vote!
Title: Sagan 4 Project - 2nd Anniversary Contest!!
Post by: Hydromancerx on August 20, 2008, 10:00:40 am
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o169/terracara/sagan4.png)

Please participate!

Sagan 4 2nd Anniversary Contest
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=2952.0
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - 2nd Anniversary Contest!!
Post by: KingAcer on August 20, 2008, 10:15:29 am
Yeah please participate! I'm really curious what peoples favorite creatures are  :D
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - 2nd Anniversary Contest!!
Post by: Yannick on August 20, 2008, 11:10:16 am
I'd participate, but with my current horrible lineart (no scanner makes me sad), I won't win.



+ Ramul will kick our asses anyway :p
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - 2nd Anniversary Contest!!
Post by: Hydromancerx on August 20, 2008, 11:11:36 am
Even if you don't win i would like people to participate.
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - 2nd Anniversary Contest!!
Post by: LadyM on September 02, 2008, 01:06:43 pm
Happy 2nd Anniversary to Sagan 4.  :)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 Project - 2nd Anniversary Contest!!
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 03, 2008, 03:36:33 am
Happy 2nd Anniversary to Sagan 4.  :)

Yay!
Title: Re: Sagan 4 - An Alien Ecosystem Project
Post by: Hydromancerx on October 14, 2008, 02:48:41 pm
We are having a Halloween creature challenge! Please participate!

Spooky Species Challenge
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=682.msg19725#msg19725
Title: Sagan 4 - Diorama Contest #5!
Post by: Hydromancerx on October 23, 2008, 04:21:47 am
Sagan 4 is holding its 5th diorama contest. Its open fro anyone to join the contest. See more information at the link below.

Diorama Contest #5
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=3188.0
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on December 03, 2008, 07:08:06 pm
The winner was Sagan 4 Ramul!  ;D ;D ;D

(http://sagan4.com/test/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/dioramacr.jpg)
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 14, 2009, 11:37:44 am
We recently had an Ice Comet hit Sagan 4. We could really use new people with fresh new ideas to fill in the ecological niches that were lost during the disaster.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: madis on January 15, 2009, 01:07:43 pm
I might join in, just one question. How many species do currently actually live?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 15, 2009, 08:22:34 pm
I might join in, just one question. How many species do currently actually live?

Hmm I don't know. A lot still. See our ecosystem page for current living species.

Ecosystem (Week 19)
http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Week_19/Ecosystem

You have fun counting them all up. :P I have lost track.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Arachoid on January 16, 2009, 02:37:32 pm
Are there any more flying plents left? Are there any plents left at all? Sifting through the extants doesn't immediately reveal any.

I had an idea for a bat-like plent that I wanted to submit (and maybe draw).
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Yannick on January 16, 2009, 02:41:00 pm
There's one line of flying plents extant: the emulsiflies.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 16, 2009, 03:31:27 pm
There's one line of flying plents extant: the emulsiflies.

There are also the "phlyers (http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Phlyer)".

Are there any more flying plents left? Are there any plents left at all? Sifting through the extants doesn't immediately reveal any.

I had an idea for a bat-like plent that I wanted to submit (and maybe draw).


But yeah there are plenty of plents over on Glicker landmass. But many of them have lost their photosythetic leaves.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/sprintzilla.jpg)

Here is a plent over on Wright.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 02, 2009, 10:38:17 pm
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h202/Hydromancerx/Sagan4/irinyariver.jpg)

Ok we are having another Sagan 4 diorama contest. Hope you will join us!

Diorama Contest #6 (Ends March 11th 2009)
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=4206.0
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Elerd on March 21, 2009, 05:25:44 am
What happened to sagan4.com?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Kitkat on March 21, 2009, 10:47:05 am
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NECROBUMPING!
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Kenotai on March 21, 2009, 10:50:17 am
It's not, he was asking because the Sagan 4 site was down, not to mention that he might appear to be new, he is in fact a mod over on Sagan 4.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Saganmaineiac on March 21, 2009, 11:03:39 am
it's working now...
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 21, 2009, 04:50:58 pm
Was i down?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Clarke on March 21, 2009, 05:31:52 pm
Yes, I couldn't get onto the forum or the main site. :-\
Title: Sagan 4
Post by: Detoxicated on March 25, 2009, 02:28:17 pm
Hey guys, i know this has been advertised before, but i think its time to renew the interest of many.
http://sagan4.com/ (http://sagan4.com/) a project of vast dimensions, made by Hydro, and many others from the forum... Even though its full with tight regulations, its basic principle is of a deeply creative, and rather interesting kind. In my opinion it can only become more interesting when more people participate and more people become active on the forum boards over there. Might as well check it out

Personally i think theres mucho potential in this thing, and as soon as the few problems are cured it can become even greater and live up to the potentials.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: gec05 on March 25, 2009, 02:30:43 pm
There's already a thread for this. (http://www.gamingsteve.com/blab/index.php?topic=9161.0)
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 25, 2009, 11:38:19 pm
Quote
Personally i think theres mucho potential in this thing, and as soon as the few problems are cured it can become even greater and live up to the potentials.

Which problems? I am open to suggestions on how to make it better. For instance the other day Elerd suggested a new Biochemestry (http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Biochemistry) section to wiki and we added it and are now filling it in. Just one more step to add a little more realism to the project while not making it overy complex to understand.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Cyst on April 10, 2009, 08:18:56 pm
Has kicked those who post alot but have less than great art off the team.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on April 22, 2009, 12:13:28 pm
We are having another diorama (http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Dioramas) contest. You may pick any biome from any time in Sagan 4's history. Preferably a biome that has not been done before. All submissions must be posted in this thread by Midnight Pacific Standard Time May 30th 2009. Voting will occur the week after. Best of luck to you!  ;D

Diorama Contest #7
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=4651.0
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 27, 2009, 03:34:41 am
I made the 1st of hopefully many Sagan 4 based adventures.

Sagan 4 Safari Ep1 (http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500379035046)
Title: Re: Sagan 4 adventure contest!!!
Post by: dacmat22 on August 02, 2009, 07:36:42 am
Any body can enter this contest. I'm assuming most have spore galatic adventures or hoping any way.
RULES:
1.nothing inappropriate
2.must give little facts on each creature involved in the adventure
3.must give links and info to the Sagan 4 site.
4.has to be in a ecosystem (this Means that labs and such may not be used)
5.description must include week and gen numbers.
6.must have the name of the ecosystem.

Rewards: first place: gets 10 comments/and this stylish badge(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii141/dacmat22/adventure_badge.png)
            second place: get 7 comments
            third place: gets 5 comments
All other entries will be given 1 comment for participation.
contest ends:August 15

Good luck!!
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on November 07, 2009, 03:45:18 am
Yes I see the ...
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Warning: file_exists() [function.file-exists]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/home/public_html/sagancom/forum) is not within the allowed path(s): (/home/sagancom/:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php:/tmp) in /home/sagancom/public_html/forum/Settings.php on line 57

Warning: file_exists() [function.file-exists]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/home/public_html/sagancom/forum/Sources) is not within the allowed path(s): (/home/sagancom/:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php:/tmp) in /home/sagancom/public_html/forum/Settings.php on line 59

... too, but I do not know whats is going on. I have contacted LadyM and hopefully she will know what to do.

So for now The Sagan 4 forum is in limbo until we can fix it.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: BioCat on November 07, 2009, 03:58:04 am
Hope it will come up soon. We'll be waiting.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Clarke on November 07, 2009, 08:13:39 am
I thought I was the only one who couldn't post. Hope LadyM gets it fixed soon.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: MNIDJM on November 07, 2009, 09:45:37 am
I'm not having any problems.  ???
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Clarke on November 07, 2009, 11:38:15 am
I'm not having any problems.  ???
It was only down for a bit. Its back up now.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on November 07, 2009, 04:31:19 pm
It should be fixed now.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 30, 2010, 03:22:26 pm
Sagan 4 is currently under quarantine. Until it is fixed it is advised that you do not visit it. In the mean time we can use this old Gaming Steve thread until we get our forum back. In addition stay tuned for further information from LadyM at her blog here (http://ladympire.com/wordpress/). Note that Sagan 4 wiki is perfectly fine and can still be visited here (http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Main_Page).
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: gec05 on June 30, 2010, 04:45:10 pm
Seems to me it was an attack on your site.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: MNIDJM on June 30, 2010, 08:57:09 pm
Did someone report use as an attack site?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: gec05 on June 30, 2010, 09:02:58 pm
I'm not confirming that. Just an observation.

Or someone moronic enough who was infected spread it on the site.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 30, 2010, 09:19:40 pm
Seems to me it was an attack on your site.

LadyM says she thinks it was the Sagan 4 blog that got infected. She is still checking over things so the site can be virus free so goggle will take Sagan4.com off the "Attack Site" list.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: gec05 on June 30, 2010, 09:24:15 pm
The problem is though, where did it come from.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Rysworld on June 30, 2010, 09:27:36 pm
Where is the video that inspired this?

The link is broken, and Carl Sagan is one of my favorite people.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on June 30, 2010, 09:46:12 pm
Where is the video that inspired this?

The link is broken, and Carl Sagan is one of my favorite people.

Not sure if the same link but its from the same Cosmos video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZpsVSVRsZk
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: MNIDJM on July 01, 2010, 12:19:09 am
It's not blocked on Firefox anymore.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on July 01, 2010, 02:05:50 am
It's not blocked on Firefox anymore.

Hazzah! Goggle must have taken it off the "attack site list". Well back to business again.  ;D
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: UFO King on July 01, 2010, 04:49:32 pm
I was going to send a get-well card, but I suppose the site's got some good doctors.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on August 26, 2010, 11:05:55 pm
Its getting close to the end of a period and we are going to start up a new one soon. This is always the best time to join since it will be a blank slate for many new biomes. Please join Sagan 4 if you are interested.

(http://wiki.mydigiview.com/images/a/a3/Diorama046.jpg)
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Rysworld on August 26, 2010, 11:33:52 pm
I would join if I had a scanner.

Or any talent whatsoever with a painting tool.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on August 27, 2010, 03:49:04 pm
I can't help with the scanner but you can always improve your drawing skills with practice. We have many art tutorials in our art section as well as Gaming Steve's art section has lots of tutorials and helpful artist like Gec. Even if you don't try to join Sagan 4 I highly recommend you practice art since it comes in handy to visually express your ideas.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 16, 2010, 03:15:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX9O_g-w0HA

Here is a video slide show of all the Sagan 4 dioramas from over the last 4 years. Note that while they are not in the order they were made, they are in chronological order of the Sagan 4 time periods. Enjoy!



We are having another diorama (http://wiki.mydigiview.com/index.php?title=Dioramas) contest. You may pick any biome from any time in Sagan 4's history. Preferably a biome that has not been done before. All submissions must be posted in this thread (http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=7784.0) by Midnight Pacific Standard Time October 31st, 2010 (aka Halloween). Voting will occur the week after.

Everyone who wishes to participate MUST agree to the following rules. The winner gets a FREE species from every person who submitted a diorama into this contest. Thus the more people who participate the bigger the prize for the winner!! If you do not agree to having to make a species for the winner if you loose then please to not submit a diorama into this contest.

Best of luck to all of you!

Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Gnoll on September 16, 2010, 04:22:09 pm
Anything I should know before I join?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 16, 2010, 04:56:28 pm
Anything I should know before I join?

Just read this thread. If you have any questions let us know.

How to Join the Sagan 4 Team
http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php?topic=19.0
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: MNIDJM on January 20, 2011, 05:52:51 pm
Hey is any other Saganites getting a "Server not Found" message?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 20, 2011, 06:22:01 pm
LadyM says ...

Quote
It's the hosting company server that is having problems. It's been crashing all week and they are doing a transfer soon of everything to "the cloud", whatever that is. That also means I'll have to change things on the domain site. Fun fun!

Anyway, it's a server issue not a Sagan issue. It may be down for a few days.

So please sit tight while they do this. Cause we cannot do anything at the moment about it.

Sagan 4 wiki is still up so if you want to write any general articles or do taxonomy be my guest. Or even make up creatures for when the forum returns you can still look up the species on the ecosystem page (those that were uploaded that is).
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on February 03, 2011, 03:14:41 pm
Some news from LadyM

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Just to let you know, our server company is a flake. They are going to change us again because they don't like the new cloud server. I'm really tired of this plus now the GS wiki doesn't work. I'm going to be searching and finding us a new hosting company. I'm also going to separate out Sagan and LadyMpire so they are separate. I'll let you know when that happens.

So, if things go out for a bit, that is why. You might give everyone a heads up to possible glitches.

So be prepared.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 18, 2011, 05:14:46 pm
New Genus System!

There have been discussion about what to do about microbes for a very long time with Sagan 4. Some have argued that we should just do away with them and say there is every kind of microbe, while others want to stay with the old ways. One major problem with the old way is that we never seem to get enough microbes and not many people like to evolve them. Also people tend to keep making macro species from the microbes which is a bit unrealistic. On the other side if we do away with them then then its a big slap in the face to those that worked on them and makes things a bit too ambiguous. So I am proposing a compromise with a "Genus System".

The "Genus System" is a step up from our current system, which I will call the "Species System". In the "Species System" you evolve 1 species at a time and ancestors cannot be from the same generation. There are limits to size, habitat, diet, etc. In the new "Genus System" you would  get to evolve a whole group or "Genus" of species. Like the species system you could only evolve 1 "genus group" per generation, but within that group you would have a bunch of individual species.

Since redoing the species page would be both difficult and excessive we will be modifying the species system to fit this. This is how it will work ...

Picture - You image is the same as a species picture would be; limit 750px X 600px in size and a color picture, gen number and has been made from scratch. However rather than a picture of 1 species it must have a picture of at least 3 species examples within one image.

Name - The name will be the common name of the group of species you are making. Thus it will be plural when naming it.

Scientific Name - As you may have guessed all you need for this is the "Genus" name.The species name will be left out. However in your description you can refer to specific species within the genus.

Creator - That would be you

Ancestor - This will be an individual species or another genus group.

Habitat - Unlike species you are not restricted to biome limitations. Also if it lives worldwide you can but things like "Global (Sagan 4)" or "Global (Mason)".

Size - For now this will be the same for all Genus groups, which is "Microscopic". At this stage only microbes can be in the "Genus System", however in the future it may expand to small fast reproducing macro species like our Earth bugs.

- Genus groups can be used to up to 10 cm. This means small flora and fauna can benefit from this rule too.

- Putting "Microscopic" for the size is not going to cut it anymore. You have to list the size. Note that for a genus you can list the size range such as ...

Size: 1 mm to 10 mm Long

Diet - This depends upon the genus. Some Genus groups will all have the same diet while other may have different diets. However you still need to list species or genus groups they eat.

Reproduction - Most likely if its a genus then they will have all the same reproduction. If they don't then they are probably too different and not in the same genus.

Description - This is where most of your info will go. This will be much larger than species descriptions in that you need to tell about an entire genus group and how individual species live within that group. Subsection and additional images can be added here if you wish, but are not required.

------

Additional Notes

- Like species you can split or replace species or even other genus groups. However individual species cannot replace an entire genus (except for disaster).

- I would like us to work on phasing out individual microbes and replaced by genus groups.

- If you have any questions about this or addition ideas let me know.

- This will take effect immediately so we can see if such a system can work. Good luck!  :D

For more info please visit our forum (http://sagan4.com/forum/index.php).
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: MNIDJM on March 24, 2011, 05:20:06 pm
Down for the count again?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 24, 2011, 05:39:36 pm
Yeah. I am not sure what's wrong. LadyM has not e-mailed me back yet. But the blog and wiki are still up. Its apparently just the forum. Hopefully it comes back soon.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: gec05 on March 24, 2011, 11:37:20 pm
You may want to pull M away from Minecraft a bit if you want her to get anything done at the moment. >_>
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 26, 2011, 01:21:11 am
LadyM says its from saving servers and that we should wait until "tomorrow" however that was a few days ago. I hope it goes back soon or I will have to find a new forum. What sucks is some species were half uploaded to the wiki so we do not have all the info for them.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Kenotai on March 26, 2011, 11:23:44 am
The forum works for me now.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on March 26, 2011, 02:54:15 pm
Yep its back now. LadyM says they had some problems when moving the servers that the forums were on.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 02, 2011, 03:50:28 am
(http://sagan4.com/test/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/sagan4_year5.jpg)

Happy 5th Anniversary Sagan 4!  ;D

Today marks the 5th anniversary of the creation of Sagan 4. Many creative people have worked on this project over the last 5 years. We have had people come and go, just like the species of Sagan 4. Many thanks to everyone who has participated in the past and present. May Sagan 4 have many years to come. Happy Anniversary of Sagan 4!
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 02, 2012, 09:48:17 pm
(http://sagan4.com/test/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012sagan4-207x300.png) (http://sagan4.com/test/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012sagan4.png)
(Click to Enlarge)

Happy 6th Anniversary Sagan 4!

In the image above it shows a picture by each person who has been on the Sagan 4 team.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on September 02, 2013, 01:58:26 am
(http://sagan4.com/test/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Sagan47thanniversary.jpg)

Happy 7th Anniversary Sagan 4!

In the image above it shows a different dioramas by Rhodix.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Yuu on September 05, 2013, 12:43:25 am
I know it's kind of a late reaction, but...


Congrats on your seventh year, guys!  :)
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 09, 2016, 03:06:36 pm
So the Sagan 4 forum is down for a few days now. We are waiting on LadyM to find out what is wrong. In the meantime I wanted to use this thread for Sagan 4 discussion again until the forum gets back up.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Somarinoa on January 19, 2016, 02:04:43 am
Haha, this is what I get for trying to come back on! XD

Of course, current manager won't let anyone in the office (even when he isn't there) so currently no access to a scanner for drawing... but I could try to go back to my MS Paint style..?

Beyond that I've been spriting my own stuff lately in a nice, simple style, and have started spriting my old Sagan species, partially for the heck of it and partially because I have for years planned on doing everything I've ever come up with in the same style, and this seems like the easiest way to do that, ha.  Here's my Beach Shrotter, for example:
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/creativity/images/9/93/Beach_Shrotter_MS_Sprite.gif/revision/latest?cb=20151219110809)
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 19, 2016, 02:45:31 pm
I heard people had trouble registering here so I made a topic in the speculative biology reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpeculativeBiology/comments/41r5s0/sagan_4_forum_down/
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: LadyM on January 22, 2016, 03:50:26 pm
Update: One problem is that the disc usage was maxed out so I had to upgrade and BUY more space. I no longer want to host and pay for this project so after this problem is fixed I'll be moving ownership over to Hydro.

I put a support ticket in to the host and hopefully they can identify the problem. Maybe it'll take some time for the disc space to be recognized. It's hard to believe this is still going for almost 10 years.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Hydromancerx on January 23, 2016, 02:29:19 pm
LadyM was able to get the forum back up. I am no sure for how long, so lets get those approved species to to the wiki while we have the chance.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Rhodix on June 05, 2016, 05:31:12 pm
I've been playing around with rigging and animation during my study abroad experience in Chicago (I'm returning to Brazil in August). For the final project in Advanced 3D Rigging we had to create a beast of burden, so I decided to model, rig and animate something based on my bubblehorns from Sagan 4. I combined a bunch of features of many of them and added some extra details in order to make it look like something you can ride in, like the seat on the shell. It took days to create the controls for each individual branch and mouth pieces in Maya, but I'm very pleased with the result.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk9TF5nlA4o

I hope you enjoy! :)
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Brandonazz on June 08, 2016, 03:26:21 pm
What is the benefit of having a creature with those prehensile branches tamed or domesticated?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Inkling on June 08, 2016, 03:42:01 pm
Maybe it can pick things up?  Maybe it looks cool?
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Brandonazz on June 08, 2016, 07:27:28 pm
More like it can smack whoever is riding it.
Title: Re: Sagan 4
Post by: Inkling on June 08, 2016, 07:33:51 pm
Maybe the rider is into that sort of thing.